In Texas we followed the US Pledge with a Texas specific one
We had to recite the New mexico pledge too
“I salute the flag of the state of New Mexico, the Zia symbol of perfect friendship among united cultures.”
Really? What was it?
The Pledge of Allegiance to the Texas flag. Students are required under state law to recite both pledges once per school day. Yes, I know it is a gross violation of students’ 1st Amendment right to freedom of speech, but Texas does whatever the fuck it wants.
Insane.
Achievement unlocked: Worse than Putinism Have more ura-patriotism than country ruled by Old RatI expect the people who were so up-in-arms about “compelled speech” regarding pronouns to be very mad about this as soon as they’re made aware of it.
“Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, One and indivisible”.
Which one?
No idea. Best to start slicing gods to see if they are divisible or not.
Having problems with authority as a personality trait has always led me right
It makes me a more principled person and independent thinker, I’m not sure it’s always made my life better or easier. My problems with authority have definitely gotten me let go. Twice. And I think I did the right thing, calling out unethical behaviour or refusing to mislead people, but I do think I’ve suffered for it to be honest. And the other side? Little to none!
Exactly. I have a fixed and entirely self serving belief that without difficult people, society would collapse.
‘The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.’
That’s ridiculous, I refuse to believe it. Some unreasonable people are women and enbies.
Humbling isn’t it, to know that we can all strive to become even more difficult and unreasonable?
George Bernard Shaw, nice. That used to be my favorite quote.
“problem with authority” is just What authorities say when what they mean is “constantly questions our reasons and doesn’t just immediately do what we SAY exactly as we MEAN it like a
good little puppetbeloved citizen”It led me to Lemmy, where damn near everyone is willing to get difficult
really? your mom was pretty easy BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
No I’m not.
Difficult is as difficult does.
OT: well that’s a username that’s easy to remember…
Aaand now the melody is stuck in my head…
Hahaha!!!
…3
What country have I called?
Not always. When I was a restaurant manager, I had a couple employees where I would patiently explain why we need to do something a particular way (usually for health and safety reasons), and they would deliberately do it a different way because they just “want to do it that way.”
No, Chelsea, dumping a half-full soda somebody handed you into the ice you use for putting in customer drinks is not okay, get the fuck out of drive through, grab a bucket, and start emptying that ice out and cleaning/sanitizing the space. I swear to god if you complain about it, when you just put one employee out of action for the next half (let’s be honest, full) hour as well as making drive-thru have to go up front to make drinks in the middle of the dinner rush I will fire you on the spot.
Some people have a “problem with authority” because they are belligerent idiots.
Odd.
Included during covid?
Because being told to vaccinate is not a good thing to rebel against.
Distinctions are maintained between authoritarian and authoritative.
I had a very new teacher in I think 6th grade. She had us do the pledge the first day of school, after almost forgetting, and then never again. After a couple days I was like “… Wait. Shit. It is weird we were doing that every day”. It had just seemed normal.
Thanks to that teacher for probably accidentally getting me to think about it.
I wonder if that teacher still teaches.
Why do you americans do that to begin with?
Literally just tradition. Practically no student does it because they feel like it. everybody does it because they’re told to do it and or they’ve just always done it.
Gotta start the brainwashing early for it to really stick
GOOD question
The red scare and McCarthyism
Same reason cigarette companies had Camel Joe
Cause “sieg hail” was taken.
While the original pledge dates back to 1800s, the use on schools and it being codified into law happened in the 1950s as part of the “red scare.” Some crazy people were worried about communism taking over and to protect the zealots and their “way of life” they thought indoctrination was right.
I refused to do the pledge in 4th grade right after we learned about the (supposed) separation of church and state in this country. I said my religion doesn’t allow worshipping an object and that’s what the pledge feels like.
J dub?
So you were brainwashed by the other thing instead.
No, I just used it as an excuse to not do the pledge. I didn’t go to church either lol
Nice
Why do so many people think FREEDOM
is doing as you’re told?
Having to swear loyalty to your country at the start of every school day is NOT NORMAL.
Sincerely, an Australian.
Australian here too. In late primary school I stopped singing the national anthem at assemblies because it felt… Weird.
As an adult, after the Cronulla riots I stopped even standing for it.
It’s also a really shitty anthem.
I was an Aussie citizen when I was told to recite the pledge of alliegance in a US kindergarten. That same country refused to give us green cards, so apparently the allegiance was one-way only.
I’ll be honest I do not feel like I lost out. Australia is shitty in so many ways but I’d rather be here than there.
It’s one of the many reasons for America’s extreme patriotism. The pledge of allegiance is child indoctrination. It’s not a coincidence that the terminology for armed force recruitment is: RAISE, Train, Sustain.
Seems like raising an army has some very ancient roots, personally.
Standing armies are some newfangled nonsense.
Of course we need forever armies, how else can we fight forever wars?
Lol definitely me in middle school and onward. Never got in trouble for it though which was neat after reading through this thread.
I didn’t either and the only shit I caught for it was from other students. Related- the best teacher I ever had before college was from my American Government and Politics class. She kept printouts of state law in her filing cabinet of the section that says you can’t force kids to say the pledge. She was happy to give them out to anyone whose teacher tried to force them.
I’m a teacher and not only do I not make my kids do it (it’s illegal to make a student say the pledge if you didn’t know), I don’t do it myself because I think it’s fucking weird and inappropriate. My only rule is to remain quiet if you’re not saying the pledge, out of respect to people who do want to observe it.
I don’t respect people who say it. Patriotism is disrespectful to everyone else in the world.
Telling your normal students to respect their nationalist loser peers is a bad move. You should be subtly encouraging your students to bully anyone who says the pledge of allegiance
Disrespecting of anyone is shitty.
Celebrate individuality. Bullying is for terribly short sighted sorts that could use some education.
I feel vindicated
It was probably more rare for kids to do the pledge, at least regularly, in my high school in the late 2000s/early 2010s, than for kids to not do it. Probably about half the class, or more, didn’t stand for the pledge regularly. Hell, I, then as now, counted myself as a patriot, if a critical one, and I didn’t stand most of the time. Though when I did I said the ORIGINAL 1942 PLEDGE, YOU FUCKING HEATHENS.
The pledge over the PA was just the “School is now starting” sound for us.
Though when I did I said the ORIGINAL
You mean with a Bellamy salute, or without the “under God”?
Without the “under God”
I looked up Bellamy Salute, and holy mother of fuck.
In the 70s we definitely said thd pledge and sang the national anthem. When we move to WI for 7th grade, they didn’t do it there.
Pledge allegiance to the flag? What is this, North Korea?
Tumblr is the internet version of this kid
It was miserable in elementary school when I lived in Texas. We had to do the pledge for both America AND Texas. It took ages.
What was the TX one?
In all my 28 years of life I’ve never heard of there being a Texas specific flag pledge.
Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible.
Now I just want to divide Texas again
Dummies think we forgot they already gave up the panhandle?;!?!?
You could just give it back to Mexico
It is crazy how much the Texas flag is worshiped down there. They fly the damn thing everywhere. When I finally moved out of there I had a bit of a culture shock on how other states don’t fly their flags everywhere. I don’t even think most people know what their state flags look like. Except Texas. You can’t get away from it.
