Lol definitely me in middle school and onward. Never got in trouble for it though which was neat after reading through this thread.
I didn’t either and the only shit I caught for it was from other students. Related- the best teacher I ever had before college was from my American Government and Politics class. She kept printouts of state law in her filing cabinet of the section that says you can’t force kids to say the pledge. She was happy to give them out to anyone whose teacher tried to force them.
Dude like half the kids at my school didn’t say it. For some reason, I would only ever do it after the 4th of July - I guess I figured they could have a week just not every day?
How old are you? For me in the early 2000s it was very uncommon after 9/11. NOFX’s criticism of GW Bush was poignant.
Tumblr is the internet version of this kid
Having problems with authority as a personality trait has always led me right
It makes me a more principled person and independent thinker, I’m not sure it’s always made my life better or easier. My problems with authority have definitely gotten me let go. Twice. And I think I did the right thing, calling out unethical behaviour or refusing to mislead people, but I do think I’ve suffered for it to be honest. And the other side? Little to none!
Exactly. I have a fixed and entirely self serving belief that without difficult people, society would collapse.
‘The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.’
Humbling isn’t it, to know that we can all strive to become even more difficult and unreasonable?
George Bernard Shaw, nice. That used to be my favorite quote.
That’s ridiculous, I refuse to believe it. Some unreasonable people are women and enbies.
“problem with authority” is just What authorities say when what they mean is “constantly questions our reasons and doesn’t just immediately do what we SAY exactly as we MEAN it like a
good little puppetbeloved citizen”Not always. When I was a restaurant manager, I had a couple employees where I would patiently explain why we need to do something a particular way (usually for health and safety reasons), and they would deliberately do it a different way because they just “want to do it that way.”
No, Chelsea, dumping a half-full soda somebody handed you into the ice you use for putting in customer drinks is not okay, get the fuck out of drive through, grab a bucket, and start emptying that ice out and cleaning/sanitizing the space. I swear to god if you complain about it, when you just put one employee out of action for the next half (let’s be honest, full) hour as well as making drive-thru have to go up front to make drinks in the middle of the dinner rush I will fire you on the spot.
Some people have a “problem with authority” because they are belligerent idiots.
Odd.
It led me to Lemmy, where damn near everyone is willing to get difficult
OT: well that’s a username that’s easy to remember…
Aaand now the melody is stuck in my head…
Hahaha!!!
…3
What country have I called?
No I’m not.
Difficult is as difficult does.
really? your mom was pretty easy BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
Included during covid?
Because being told to vaccinate is not a good thing to rebel against.
Distinctions are maintained between authoritarian and authoritative.
Around the 6th grade I realized how weird the pledge was, stopped doing it, and never went back to thinking it was normal. Probably because it isn’t normal.
I think only one teacher seemed to have a problem and that was because I didn’t always sit there perfectly silent while everyone droned their allegiance to my underfunded school’s dollar store flag. Fuck me for doing stuff while you guys pray or whatever.
Same for me. I stopped pledging for a few reasons. At that age, I didn’t know that the pledge didn’t always have “under god” in it, but questioned it because of the separation of church and state, as well as freedom of religion. I also went to catholic school and got into trouble for asking questions about the priests’ vows of poverty despite the opulence of the cathedral…
I was a contrarian child who turned into a disappointed adult.
Hey, it’s me, the annoying kid. Sorry about being right and also breathing near you.
It’s not my fault I’m burdened with being 100% objectively correct at all times. 😔
we suffer from success
I was assaulted in school for not saying the pledge, though the kid was specifically upset I didn’t say the new Mexico state pledge. Somehow, his diseased brain equated that to hating Mexicans. His dad was a cop, so I was just told I could go hangout in the cafeteria until the next period. I wonder what became of that shithead, probably followed in his father’s footsteps and is still assaulting people darker than him to this day.
My final conversation with my father a couple of years ago, he basically acknowledged I was right all along ranting at the dinner table, shoving RATM and Fahrenheit 9/11 down his throat for decades since I was about 10. And here I was preparing with my therapist to never have closure!
I think watching a lot of his working class Brooklyn friends go full Trump, and losing relationships, finally opened his eyes completely.
I stopped doing the pledge when I realized I don’t want to pledge my allegiance to a broken system. I’d happily start doing it again once I see actual beneficial change to our country, not more politics to fight/break apart over.
I’d happily start doing it again…
Don’t. It’s super weird.
When I was in high school from 08-2012 basically no one stood up for the pledge. I went to an art school though so nationalism wasn’t really at all prevalent. Ironically though our mascot was a patriot.
I hated standing for the whole thing so I sat down. This was, apparently, defiance, so my mother was called.
A mistake for them. Mother knew the law, and tore into them for trying to force me.
I compromised by placing my hands over my heart as I sat at my desk, saying nothing.
Mother knew I just didn’t want to stand and was annoyed at that but more annoyed at them trying to force me lmao
It’s lunacy to make children swear fealty to the state.
Helps keep them from questioning why they serve and obey the state as adults.
No question why.
State has way more guns and bodies than I do.
The number of times I got in trouble for not standing during the pledge was crazy
I didn’t do the pledge in high school but luckily for me literally nobody cared. I find it weird that people do or at least enough to be vocal about it.
By the time I was in high school, even the teachers had stopped caring about the pledge lol
