He also still refused to admit he lost four years ago, and admit any fault or regret for Jan 6th. And he showed zero remorse or awareness about the Central Park Five. Pure deflection for every single question.
His boss sure as shit doesn’t want Ukraine to win.
Russian Asset. Better dead than Red.
That’s why he’s nothing more than vatnik kompromat.
I found it interesting that Trump claims if he wins the election, he’ll have the Russia / Ukraine conflict resolved BEFORE he even takes office. I’m paraphrasing there, but that’s how I interpreted what he stated.
If that’s the case, then it seems like he could choose to end the conflict at any time. Why doesn’t he just end it now? Save countless lives. Minimize injuries. Prevent suffering. Save money. I’m sure that’d change some voters’ minds if he did it. Might even win him the election.
Yes, this is a rhetorical question. I have no doubt that he can’t actually end it without basically giving in entirely to Russia.
It is a confusing statement. I understood it to be basically that once he is guaranteed to be president, Putin will know his man on the inside will be in charge, and Putin can end the war/negotiate for favorable terms with the US as enforcer.
Trump can’t end it before the election, because there’s no guarantee he’ll win.
Trump thinks that makes him a brilliant negotiator, instead of what he really is which is a stooge that can be played like a fiddle.
I found it interesting that Trump claims if he wins the election, he’ll have the Russia / Ukraine conflict resolved BEFORE he even takes office.
He’s invoking the Iran Hostage Crisis, I think. Reagan famously cut a deal with the Ayatollah to release the American hostages on the day of his inauguration, despite Carter having nailed down a prisoner exchange months earlier.
If that’s the case, then it seems like he could choose to end the conflict at any time.
He’s full of shit. This isn’t a hostage negotiation where Biden did 95% of the work for him already. This is an intractable siege spanning a third of the country’s land area which has been spiraling into long range bombings of the respective civilian capitals. Trump isn’t going to be able to leverage a ceasefire that’s already on the table, because Zelensky isn’t asking for a ceasefire, he’s asking for permission to use higher capacity long range missiles to force Russian troops off the southern front.
I have no doubt that he can’t actually end it without basically giving in entirely to Russia.
The siren song Trump sings is that he could have prevented the '22 invasion by playing nice with Putin before tanks crossed the border. And 100%, if there had been a detente prior to the outbreak of open conflict, hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved. Even at a concession of territory, this arguably would have been preferable to the holocaust committed across the territory to date.
But the reality is that he was just as happy to sell advanced weapons systems to Ukraine in 2018 as Biden has been in extending military aid today. If anything, Trump was more responsible for the Ukraine/Russia war going hot than Biden. And not even for particularly noble reasons (MIC $$$!!!)
Trump falsely promised Ukrainian leadership his full support in the event of a Russian retaliation, sold them a bunch of tacti-cool military surplus, and then turned around and tried to cut the same fucking deal with the Russians.
In this sense, it also invokes Reagan who was famous for sending Rumsfeld to cut arms deals with both Iran and Iraq shortly before the outbreak of the Iran-Iraq War.
Promising both countries your support, goading them into conflict, and then pulling back to let them duke it out is textbook John Bolton foreign policy. And guess who was whispering in Trump’s ear all through that first term in office?
Of course, he wants Russia to win, duh
Translation: He wants Russia to win the War and for America to be signed over to the Kremlin, but he knows he can’t say that aloud
Same reason you don’t see tankies in this thread.
You know, there’s good people on both sides. People with a lot of value and good ideas. It reminds me of my businesses, so many good people. There’s a lot of good people in this world. You know what else is good? Watermelon. It’s a melon… Made… From water. How incredible. It’s delicious. How do they do that?
- Trump, probably.
The one thing he can’t obvious lie about directly.
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He has said several times before that he would end the ruzzian occupation by making a deal with them. Most definitely a loser’s deal where Ukraine would give up land.
Everyone else with half a brain cell left in our brain and with some heart, we think ruzzians should get the fuck out and pay for all the damage and murdering. That’s the negotiation that needs to happen. And you see, am just a regular person with a low IQ. I’m sure Harrys will do way better. And I’m sure any person could probably do better at least at deciding if ruzzia is doing something bad.
He’d give up on Ukraine. And call it a win.
“Winning the battle is worth losing the war”
(Trump, The Art of the Deal, pp. 179-181)
“I could make a deal with Hitler to stop this war tomorrow!”
Yeah pretty much.
Aka appeasement. We tried it Donny. Though this time it’s Trump who wants to be dictator.
Trump doesn’t care so long as Russia keeps paying him.
That’s a short sentence for that many pages. I knew it was in big print, but…
It’s illustrated so his voters can understand the book
From the chapter: “Yeah, but remember that one time…”
The Jews would have had peace if they’d just let themselves be taken to camps peacefully.
This is less funny because Russia literally did commit a holocaust in Ukraine.
or maybe extort them again.
Yea, that infuriated me.
He didn’t answer a single fucking question about anything, just ranted about illegals eating pets the whole time.
Let’s not forget: it appears that JD Vance may be the originator of that whole farce.
In which case, Trump touted it because either a) they honestly think it is good propaganda which will sway the campaign, or b) Trump is quite literally eating his own dog food, because there are too many lies to keep track of.
Trump said during the debate that her vp pick was insane. I lol’d
Well, every accusation is a confession with them.
So weird…
Don’t worry, when Kamala catches and imprisons those illegals she will do transgender surgeries on them
He is outing gop for eating pets. He just needs to do it under the radar.
Remember every blame the throw around is admission on their part.
Suddenly ol’ brainworrm endorsing Trump makes sense!
This is why I don’t watch the debate. I know it’ll just piss me off because he won’t say anything but crazy shit.
It was great seeing Kamala get under his skin. The reaction cams were really fun seeing Kamala react like a normal human to his insane rantings and him just smoldering and getting angrier and angrier when she hit back
My favorite was when she clearly (very clearly IMO) seemed about to say “…but this motherfucker…” and restrained herself.
Omg I forgot about that moment!
trump:
But it was so crazy that it was incredibly funny. I was doing paraphrases of a lot of his responses in the pinned debate thread in c/news if you’re curious.
The thing is, it isn’t actually funny. we can laugh at the old racist piece of shit criminal but it is actually quite sad and makes me angry that this is where we are.
Yeah I’ll look back and laugh if he loses
I’ll have to check it out! I do enjoy seeing the highlights and memes afterwards lol.
I was looking forward to what he was going to say about why he blocked the border bill. As expected, he chose to immediately talk about something else.
First time?
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Translated : I don’t know shit, so you can’t know shit. Corporations are gouging my shit, and I mad at Democrats for it.
I think the proper translation is “Da, let us argue amongst ourselves comrades. American pig dogs do not understand Mother Russia.”
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Lol. Nice one
Welcome to my block list.
Lol. Yeah, exclude opposing opinions, go live in your liberal echo chamber
Lol. Yeah, exclude
opposing opinionsobnoxious, idiotic noise, go live in your liberal echo chamberFTFY
Also, why do you have such a hardon for Trump when you aren’t an American?
How’d you know I wasn’t American?
This isn’t an opinion it’s word vomit lol
Lol. And this is just an ad hominem attack. Not my fault you only understand opposing opinions as “word vomit”
First, a dozen eggs don’t cost twelve dollars.
Second, in America the currency indicator comes before the number.
Third, “distugested” that’s one hell of a typo
Sounds like a guy who thinks you need a license to buy a loaf of bread.
Why do people think a dozen eggs costs $12?
A quick search turned up this 18 count of eggs for $9 at our local chain. And that was just the first result I found that had the price on the page (you have to click a button to see it, unfortunately, but it is there).
Holy shit that’s a lot for eggs.
At Ralph’s 12 cage free large eggs cost $3.99
Free range (the most expensive if you are conscious about chicken treatment) large eggs are for $7.49
It’s literally on the other side of the planet.
Lol and there’s just no way to get information about something happening on the other side of the planet. Why, it takes our square-riggers six months to sail from there to here!
How is supporting Ukraine related to the egg shortage caused by avian flu?
*Narrator:* It’s not.
I’m hoping Ukraine wins because I’m against imperialism and I respect the sovereignty of other nations. Pretty simple if you ask me.
Ok, that’s a fair statement. Thank you.
I dont have a dog in this fight.
Of course you do. Allowing borders to be redrawn by force isn’t good for stability anywhere.
You think the cost of eggs has something to do with defense spending?
Also, when one country just straight up invades another, it can be pretty easy to choose which side is the aggressor and thus less worthy of support. But that’s just me.
Bring your hate and downvotes. There will be 2 or 3 that understand the situation better than I, and I’m sure that will come and try to educate me.
So if you know this is the case, why would you not just do that research?
I understand the cost of living is very high, but there are numerous factors that play into that and specifically to the example of eggs the war in Ukraine wouldn’t affect that supply chain in a significant way, and the aid also shouldn’t impact it.
Providing aid, beyond preventing the war from being lost, potentially embolding Russia to continue advancing, is simply the right thing to do. Obviously Western nations have the privilege of being at peace, but that doesn’t mean we should blindly turn our backs to the many countries who make our current situation possible through numerous imports and trade.
At the end of the day, you’re entitled to be frustrated by the rising costs of living, and you’re welcome to be angry about the war, but the way you worded your post feels more like willful ignorance than any real attempt to formally become educated.
I appreciate your opinion. I have “done that research” but there will always be someone who is more educated/better informed than I. I’m not so ignorant to believe that I alone know it all or have been better informed than some others.
Providing aid, beyond preventing the war from being lost, potentially embolding Russia to continue advancing, is simply the right thing to do.
I believe this indicates you are not one who is more informed than I. And potentially, it indicates you are less informed. But of course, based on what you understand, you take a stand on what you believe is right, and I fault you none for that.
When people stop caring for the plight of others, we all lose.
I agree, and you get my upvote for a true statement.
But also, I’m not convinced there would be more “plight” in a Russia win. I believe the opposite, in fact. I believe there would be less “plight” and suffering.
There is very much “plight” in their protracted war over there.
Poland is most certainly next don’t kid yourself.
That would be after the low hanging fruit of Moldova. Neighbors Ukraine, Constitutionally neutral, does not admit stationing foreign military troops on its territory, can only be altered by referendum, and not at all during a state of national emergency, martial law or war.
So if a group of guys came to your neighbors house and told the family that they’re going to move into it with them, you wouldn’t be for removing them, even if that meant a fight? It would be better to just let them move in because that way no one gets hurt?
And if they successfully move into your neighbor’s house, they might have eyes on your house next.
Russia is trying to take over Ukraine, a sovereign country, by force, and other countries are trying to help Ukraine fight Russia. Yes, people on both sides are dying. Ukrainians apparently overwhelmingly believe it’s worth the fight.
Absolutely not true for many reasons. One of them being that if they let Russia keep what they occupied, it will give Russia time to regroup and keep going.
Number 2, they’re torturing and killing those who don’t support the Russian regime.
So yea, while “stopping the bloodshed” sounds good in theory (That’s why Trump keeps repeating it), it will only embolden Putin and give him time to strengthen his forces and attack again later. This is appeasement and it doesn’t work.
Where the fuck are you spending that much on eggs?
I’m going to go with “Russia”.
I’m not saying I have better insight about that war, but from my understanding, Ukraine shouldn’t join NATO
Well it’s a good thing that from the understanding of the people who make the choices you’re in the wrong.
I think it should be readily obvious why the USA should defend a country against an act of aggression. For one thing, violating international boundaries and seizing land through war ought to be punished. The precedent should be set that doing so brings about international rebuke and strong consequences. For another, the USA made a security guarantee to Ukraine when they gave up their nuclear weapons. We should make good on it.
Ukraine joining NATO would have prevented this war. Russia isn’t going to war with a country in NATO - just look at the Baltic states. They joined NATO to protect against a possible Russian aggression just like what’s happening now in Ukraine. That worked. It would have worked for Ukraine and it’s part of why I believe Putin pulled the trigger on this before Ukraine was in NATO.
I appreciate you coming with fair enough opinions without personal attacks.
If Ukraine joined NATO, it might not have prevented this attack, and that’s the huge issue. Putin has indicated that it would not have stopped the invasion, which you seem to be educated enough to understand that would probably start WW3.
It would have worked for Ukraine, and it’s part of why I believe Putin pulled the trigger on this before Ukraine was in NATO.
I can believe that because I think Putin doesn’t necessarily want to start WW3. But he has indicated that it wouldn’t have stopped him as well.
I personally don’t believe it’s worth to risk WW3 over the conflict of Ukraine and Russia. The history and issues of Ukraine and Russia are long, complicated, and frankly, IMO, hardly any business of ours.
I’m educated enough to know you’re either deep in a hole of disinformation / misinformation or on Russia’s side. We learned that appeasement doesn’t work with Nazi Germany and other examples, Russia being the latest.
If you know of the history and issues of Russia and Ukraine then you’d know they’re intrinsically linked to the USA and “Western” interests going pretty far back. Plus lots of trade flows through Ukraine and they export a ton of food - it’s important to lots of innocent people who are also impacted by the war even if it’s not by blood loss. The costs in lives is too high but also the costs in material, in trust, in future cooperation between nations has been eroded by Putin’s actions.
I can believe that because I think Putin doesn’t necessarily want to start WW3. But he has indicated that it wouldn’t have stopped him as well
You can’t have it both ways. It’s either he would or would not have. I think recent history has shown the exact opposite of what you claim Putin indicated. Nobody has invaded a NATO country because it works. That’s why the reaction from Finland and Sweden to this Russian invasion was to join NATO after so many years of not being a part of it even bordering the USSR. They know Putin won’t dare attack a member of that alliance. Clearly neutrality did not work when it came to Ukraine. Nor did appeasement, we’re paying for not being tougher in 2016 but the time between then and 2022 was spent strengthening Ukraine’s military precisely to stop the next occurrence of a Russian attack.
You… I don’t even know where to begin. You don’t understand how inflation works or how things on the other side of the world can impact us due to a global economy. You should care if Ukraine wins, because burying our head in the sand and carrying about only the US means we’re left to feel the impact of global events were not engaging in.
Lol… you certainly didn’t know where to begin or end. Next time, begin with reading comprehension. The egg example wasn’t correlating inflation with the billions we sent to Ukraine. Money sent to Ukraine isnt directly affecting inflation. Rather, we have our own very important financial issue here in that states, sending billions abroad shouldn’t be a priority over our financial issues here.
You should care if Ukraine wins, because…
Ok, maybe this guy knows something.
burying our head in the sand and carrying about only the US means we’re left to feel the impact of global events were not engaging in.
Haha. Nvm… Help us, Lord.
Dasvidanya, are you and your family safe? Are you being coerced?
Ok bud, you really showed me.
Sorry… I shouldn’t be an ass…
How much money do you think we “send over there”?
I think people get confused when they see millions of dollars in aid. They don’t get it’s all equipment that probably wouldn’t have been used again anyway and think the US just prints a bunch of extra cash to send over.
I doubt he even got confused, he’s just regurgitating propaganda.
It’s hilarious when they say this. “Sending money over there” is a literal catchphrase for Trumpers.
He’s full of catchphrases like this. It’s all he knows how to do, rile up his idiot fanbase, because that’s what it is, (no politician should have a fanbase) and shift blame/dodge questions. And he is frighteningly good at it.
It’s hilarious when they say this. “Sending money over there” is a literal catchphrase for Trumpers.
Say what? How is that even a catchphrase? I don’t recall hearing anyone ever say that “catchphrase.” Who told you “sending money over there” is somehow a protrump catchphrase?
Lemme help you. You are generalizing stereotypes, never a smart thing to do. I do agree about this:
no politician should have a fanbase
I’m certainly no trumpster, and personally hate how he has turned the conservative party into the “trump party.” I have some conservative leaning views as well as some more liberal views.
Don’t be so ready to classify people and turn it into a “us vs them” issue. We should try not to stoke the flames of division, there is more than enough of that.
It’s a talking point… stay with me… that turned into a “catchphrase” because it’s used so much. It’s not to be taken literally.
Still with me or?
You cannot have a debate with a Trumper without him/her saying “democrats send money over there” in one form or another.
If you don’t fall into this category, congrats! This comment isn’t about you!
But no, I will as divisive as I need to with Trumpers, they are a cancer on this society that is attempting to take root in the heart of our country yet again. They should be ridiculed and weeded out, forced back into the shadows where they can nurse their wounded egos and barely.masked bigotry in solitude.
Uhg, gross… your attitude (and opinions) is ignorant and contemptible. I’m guessing you’re probably a teenager.
I’ve seen some of your other comments so I don’t really take offense to any insult you might try to throw at me. And no. Based on your other comments I’d guess I’m at least a decade older than you.
I don’t really care and am distugested
Please don’t be distugested.
Damn you beat me to it
Man I haven’t met someone who was distugested in a long time. You sure are pretty passionate about this!
Lol… what?
You… misspelled disgusted.
Hahaha oh! Oops. Thank for the correction without personally attacking me.
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