“Walt Bismarck,” a neoreactionary/alt-right blogger, decided to live by his beliefs and move from the liberal hellhole of Arizona to the midwest:
In 2018 I moved from a racially diverse swing state in the Sun Belt to a homogenous red state up in corn country. This decision was largely motivated by politics—I was looking to retreat to an imagined hyperborea free of crime and degeneracy where my volk had political autonomy.
The particular delight here is the section “Reason #3 - White people are no longer my most important ingroup”.
It turns out they don’t like him, they don’t like his ideas, and the white womenfolk don’t take to him. The frauleins prefer “stoic chudbots with rough hands and smooth brains” over his noble mind and physique.
In practice a society that encourages late marriage is actually much better for more bookish eccentric guys, who tend to be late bloomers in developing their masculinity and ability to seduce women.
(meaning: he came on weird at one of the nice church girls he was ogling to the point where one of her large guy friends suggested he take his leave.)
Our guy comes so close to introspection, but successfully evades it and reaches the root cause - these are the wrong kind of white people:
But these Midwesterners aren’t descended from entrepreneurial adventurers like the rest of us. Their forebears were conflict averse and probably low testosterone German Catholics who fled Bismarck’s kulturkampf to acquire cheap land under the Homestead Act. These people mostly settled areas where aggro Scotch Irish types had driven off the Injun decades ago, so they never had to embrace the risk-tolerant, enterprising, itinerant mindset that had once fueled Manifest Destiny. Instead they produced families that became weirdly attached to their generic little plot of fungible prairie dirt, and as a result we now have huge pockets of the country full of overcivilized and effete Teutons with no conquering spirit who treat outsiders like shit.
There is no shortage of genuine and active neo-Nazis out Iowa way. But they would have met Wordy NRx Boy here and flushed his head.
In the comments section, other racists call him out on his insufficient devotion to the cause of white nationalism.
Even our good friends at The Motte took the piss out of him.
The illustrations are, of course, AI-generated.
original post. Found on Bluesky by ratelimitexceeder.
So I’ve never heard of (or maybe I’ve forgotten about) The Motte. It seems to claim to be a sort of “rational discussion is welcome no matter your viewpoint” kind of place, but IME places that go out of their way to tell you that in THIS many words, are actually “we welcome right-wing views under the guise of welcoming everyone’s views, but really we would like some right wing views to be posted.”
What is this place?
This website is a place for people who want to move past shady thinking and test their ideas in a court of people who don’t all share the same biases. Our goal is to optimize for light, not heat; this is a group effort, and all commentators are asked to do their part.
The weekly Culture War threads host the most controversial topics and are the most visible aspect of The Motte. However, many other topics are appropriate here. We encourage people to post anything related to science, politics, or philosophy; if in doubt, post!
They’ve got a long list of rules in the sidebar, none of which seem to be “bigotry not welcome.”
My question - am I getting the wrong idea because I just read that one thread (which seems mostly right wing folks) or is it indeed yet another “We claim to be for everyone as our cover, but we’re really for the right” kind of a place?
it is indeed a place for rational and reasoned discussion of why the fourteen words are correct, yes.
This was worse than I imagined from the quotes. I feel like I need to take a shower, now.
[…] which would severely limit the Federal Reserve’s ability to control the economy while exporting inflation abroad, and likely bring our material standard of living down to a German or Dutch level
According to this Quality of Life index which I just searched up and have not critically assessed, but I doubt the guy did that either for his claims, so I guess it’s fine, the Netherlands rank second and Germany ranks 12th, while the US is on the 15th place. In other words: what is he even talking about?
Every day in this country more and more Hispanics marry corn-fed blonde midwesterners and produce pale Castizo children who only speak English, consider themselves basically White, and vote like Irish and Italians.
Jesus fucking Christ, I can’t even come up with a funny sneer here because this reads like he just pulled it out of the 1940s Nazi Party’s bag of race laws for who’s allowed to marry whom, and it’s making me feel icky.
I also subscribe to the old fascist idea that adversity gives life meaning. A comfortable and easy life without struggle or conflict is miserable, and just makes you a slave to the hedonic treadmill. When you live for pleasure, no pleasure is ever enough, and continued success will just leave you so pampered that any task that’s challenging or outside your comfort zone will begin to feel onerous.
Ignoring the low-hanging fruit that this guy just flat-out said “well, fascism wasn’t all bad”, what kind of toxic consumer mentality is ingrained in these chucklefucks that they are seemingly unable so sit their sorry asses down on the couch and just say, yeah, I’m happy right now, to the point where they just postulate that other people must feel the same way, because they just can’t imagine anyone being different?
Like, seriously, get a hobby or something.
He’ll be judging standard of living by raw GDP/PPP per capita, where the US does indeed notoriously outperform everybody by an absurd margin. This does the rounds even on the “serious” econ net every few months, and it’s always the same paper thin sophistic ideas going back and forth arguing whether it’s telling you something meaningful about euro vs us living. In any case a good portion of self-assessed intellectual types have been drowning in that debate for about two decades (or more) so it’s always easy to spot lurking in the background: it’s a shibboleth for people who’ve self-educated on development by reading blogs.
GDP/PPP per capita aren’t higher in the US:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gdp-per-capita-by-country
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/purchasing-power-parity-by-country
The USian economy in indeed bigger than all the others, but definitely not per capita.
“isn’t higher” than what? the GDP figures from your own link there indicate the US is among the highest. the only ones above it in the 2023 figures are Luxembourg, Ireland, Switzerland, Norway, Singapore, Qatar (each of which is singularly notable for a particular thing in their respective markets) - thus placing the US GDP figures ahead of literally every remaining country
The person I replied to said “everybody”, which you confirmed is factually incorrect.
You must be fun at parties
If you don’t want to be corrected, don’t play the “mmmh akshully” game. It’s that simple.
your correctness is just too powerful for us, we’ll save you from having to engage it in future
I present a reply guy so caustic they had to “well ackshully” the “well ackshully” meme. it gives the R&D staff here at awful.systems absolutely no pleasure to announce the discovery of the recursive reddit reply guy.
always love* it when these guys get so race scientist they start on different groups of white people
I suspect there are people who have complicated theories about the relative whiteness rankings, and thus superiority, of natives of Belgium, Luxembourg, and the Netherlands.
Yes there are, or were. The OG Nazis treated Dutch POWs slightly better than French ones, for instance.
@dgerard Whiteness is a movable feast. (Ask anyone who’s Jewish, or LGBT+, or Italian/Irish in the USA in the 19th century or Hispanic in the USA before/after the 1970s).
remember how Germans used to be swarthy
Do you mean the Teutons?
🤨
and the Swedish, per Benjamin Franklin
Mayhaps the Bohemians?
Ayuuuuuuuup. Movable feast is a great term for it. Even once formerly ostracized groups get permitted into the in-group, their membership is strictly conditional on serving the interests of those closer into the center of the Whiteness construct. Stop being useful, watch how fast the old hate rears its ugly head again.
Dude, showering is exactly what I feel like now. I clicked the post to be nice and read, but only got a couple paragraphs before I just skimmed and picked out the “JFC” bits.
Then the first comment on the blog mentions how sad it is that you lose your “genetic whiteness” in 9 generations and just…goddamn…why is this an issue? Genetic purity is a fucking impossibility due to sheer randomness, let alone the implications of “keeping it white.”
I try to be empathetic where possible, but fuck these people and their entire worldview.
Genetic purity is a fucking impossibility due to sheer randomness, let alone the implications of “keeping it white.”
you assume that he has basic knowledge of biology
I, for one, vote for these “genetic purists” to only procreate with their peers and keep the circle closed from “those dirty Italians/Irish/Scots/Teutons/Slavs”. How many generations until the problem solves itself, 5?
This is a kind of obvious folklore fact as well as actually true, that inbreeding (you seem to be referring to) causes worse intelligence. Because I believe I am right, I would on principle object to getting someone who is less easy to convince of my world view as an option, even if someone else gets to indoctrinate them first. It’s obviously a cynical post but this is just unfair to the nonexistent inbred kids you’re hypothesizing
Like, seriously, get a hobby or something.
For real. I don’t even necessarily disagree with the broad-strokes idea of “if you’re comfortable, it’s good to take on challenges and get outside of your comfort zone because that’s how you grow as a person,” but why can’t he just apply this energy to writing a terrible novel or learning to paint watercolors or something, like a normal person? Why does the fact his life is comfortable mean he has to become a Nazi? :/
Well look what happened to the last one of these who tried to paint watercolours
He should’ve stuck with it
Dude writes with the type of unnecessarily wordy rhetoric that it makes me think he uses a thesaurus and chooses the biggest word he sees for a replacement.
the neoreactionary bloggers from the early 2010s, every one of the fuckers writes like this - they all fucking love Mencius Moldbug and think that’s the model of the best possible writing
It’s impossible to stop returning to that steaming pile of dogshit post and find something new to sneer at:
As Delicious Tacos aptly put it, a Far Left phase is treated like a woman eating pussy in college, while a Far Right phase is treated like a man sucking cock.
SO? WHATS THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE YOU WASTE OF SPACE?
If I could talk to him I might say - I mean, if you are out of your Far Right phase (and it was really just a phase) maybe the idea of a man sucking cock shouldn’t be your go-to example of a thing you imply can never be forgiven.
But that’s none of my business, I’m just a puppet depicting a frog drinking tea.
So much to unpack. What the fuck is “Far Left”? How do you treat women eating pussy? Differently in college than after college? Why?
I completely agree with framing all Alt Righters as cocksuckers, but I’m not sure that’s what was meant here.
You’ve got to get in their twisted headspace* to decode it. They mean the former is somewhat acceptable straight behavior, while the latter is “too gay” for stupid reasons.
*not recommended for longer periods of time
Ignore me I feel stupider just trying to explain it idk, but I’m just straight enough that I can see what they mean even if I can’t really translate it for a normal person
That right there illustrates what that comment actually means. As a man, I’m assuming you are because of the context of being just straight enough to understand this, traditional society has created this expectation of manliness. That includes having an emotional, and especially a sexual, barrier against other men.
This expectation is not socially present in women. So it’s “ok” from a social standpoint to be a woman into women, but it violates manliness protocol for a man to be into men.
What this guy in the original comment is demonstrating is that he is entirely beholden to traditional social protocol, and he’s making the comparison, somewhat ironically, that being far right is viewed as a violation of the same social expectations while being far left isn’t.
No, you just don’t understand. The real punks want to codify existing social and sexual norms into inviolable legally enforced rules backed by state violence.
and feel there are a number of nonracial issues that have since become much more important than the things WNs fixate on
like staying out of jail? and making profit off loons? at least, I’m guessing those are the priorities
he’s clearly still convinced that if you could just purge the degenerates you’d get a utopia. but his post is a nice illustration of how if that actually happens they’ll just keep inventing new ways to classify people as degenerate. fascists need, at all times, a face to stamp on
It is a fantastic example that their racist delusions are all made up. Whiteness is whatever they feel like in the moment. “These Chads and Staceys are a genetically inferior low-T line of white, I am the real lineage.”
the virgin chad vs the chad virgin
At first I wondered why a post about a man disavowing white supremacy wasn’t NSFW; but it’s because he didn’t get any better? He’s not a white supremacist because white supremacy is too inclusive and not racist enough against the shittier whites? He concluded that an ENTIRE GEOGRAPHICAL REGION was genetic backwash before he considered self-reflection?
It is completely insane what the substack/X combo is doing to young men. It’s like CTE but concentrated entirely on the part of your brain that lets you tolerate other races.
Also this comment from the motte is definitely ethnonationalist, no?
Agreed, though, that a lot of white Americans are kind of like hobbits, in their lack of antibodies against general blank slatism, outgroup preferences, and progressive American culture. They might make a stink face at the young white male cosmopolitan who arrives in town for an extended study abroad program, but will root for outsiders and people that hate them when it comes to college football/basketball, the NFL, the NBA. Quokka would be the rationalist sphere term of art, here. “Cucks” might even apply. Relatedly, this has been touched upon in the Norf FC series of memes with regard to whites on the other side of the pond.
It’s the Motte special. Comments that are structurally culture critiques, but functionally a Turner Diaries summary.
The way tha “cuck” has been elevated to a genuine category in their armchair social science is such a warm breeze of insanity whenever I come across it
Internet weirdo to salt-of-the-earth Midwesterners: at least you’re all not cucks!
SotEMW: cucks?
IW: you know, like that porn where a white dude watches black dudes fuck his wife!
SotEMW: <racks shotgun slide> get the hell away from my daughter
At this point I have to genuinly wonder how many people using the term “cuck” actually have any idea what it means.
remember when Tea Partiers were teabagging?
I dont know if I’m not as smart as I thought, or not as knowledgeable in pseudoscience as I thought because this just reads to me like someone who sniffs their own farts stroking their ego because they shit out a comment they think is incredibly meaningful.
Agreed. This person is basically just discovering he doesn’t actually like people in a general sense and he can’t use the self gaslighting notion of skin color to pretend there’s people out there he actually likes. His window of acceptable is so small he’s practically the only one who can squeeze through.
In part he can’t let go of whiteness as a label and synonym of superiority so when he finds a version of whiteness he finds subpar and unworthy by his own veiws of what it should be he compares that version of whiteness to… (checks notes) the Ming dynasty Chinese. He starts describing everything in what has been trained into him as language describing the inferior.
All he ever really wanted was to be openly horrible to everyone with little to no consequences… Because kindness and empathy is just not something he understands. If it doesn’t serve him directly it’s trash. It’s easy to pretend to an in-group when you just shout the same nonsense and get rewarded with pats on the back for playing along, but that doesn’t translate to people legitimately caring about you. It’s not actual empathy and human connection. It’s just reciprocity. The minute you stop playing tit-for-tat in a reciprocity based movement for any reason you get abandoned. This guy is so far along that pipeline that he can’t leave and can’t distinguish the human in anyone. It’s sad.
Cheezus! That’s like a lot of discussion and commentary about a random fascist chud, over at the Motte, innit?
Yeah dude i was looking for schadenfruede but all i got was a masturbatory tirade about how this guy isn’t calling himself a white nationalist anymore because republicans are basically racist enough for him now and don’t have the skinheaded baggage of his former friends. I honestly hope he dies on the toilet.
and - a key point - his prospective tradwaifus don’t want him
But only because he’s not a "smooth brained chud " like their boyfriends and has totally slept with over a 100 women ::eye roll::
I do hope everybody here is aware of the deeper TheMotte lore, and what kind of place it is.
E: also themotte mentions the ‘alt light’ (not by name) but I heard a rumor that apparently a lot of these yt alt light people were paid by shady people to make rightwing content. The YT’er (sorry if you know any of those) chrisraygun apparently revealed it, but I have not looked into it at all.
I do hope everybody here is aware of the deeper TheMotte lore, and what kind of place it is.
No clue whatsoever, but I got the impression from the way they were talking about this guy, that they are basically sophisticated fascists and reactionaries.
it’s an offshoot from the r/slatestarcodex subreddit and scott alexander has directly recommended it to slatestarcodex readers
it’s wordy Nazis debating things
That context means almost nothing to me. I’m not familiar with those actors either. But I can understand “wordy nazis” at least 😅
Scott Alexander Siskind, his blog SlateStarCodex and now AstralCodexTen are a pack of lesswrong rationalists and deeply on-topic for sneerclub, sadly, so you probably willl in future
Low testosterone German Catholics
hahahaha
These idiots will never get the message that scientific racism is dog shit. They can’t stop obsessing over weird irrelevant shit
Catholics, well known for their low fertility
This reminds me of a report from the Nazi ambassador to Iceland sometime in the late 1930s. He was posted there, expecting to find a model Aryan utopia, as could only be inevitable from a population of pure Nordic blood, but was bitterly disappointed to find a provincial backwater whose people were happy to stay put and get on with their lives. The schadenfreude was palpable.
I just read an account of the Nazi occupation of Norway in WW2 and it was a bit like that. The local Nazis (the OG Quisling!) were widely hated, there was passive resistance at every turn, and very few Norwegians were interested in some sort of “racial bond” with Germany.
online or deadtree? either way I’d be interested in reading that
Deadtree and in Swedish: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/52641078-under-st-veln-norge-1940-1945
More recently there was a family from Canada who moved to Russia because Canada was too “woke” only to find that Russia wasn’t the woke free paradise they expected.
According to Wonkette, they’re now in danger of deportation because they don’t know any Russian, and don’t seem interested in learning it
https://www.wonkette.com/p/canadian-idiots-who-fled-to-russia
I’d watch this livestream
Dude sold his farm and moved his entire family (wife+8 fucking kids!) on a fucking whim. I feel bad for the kids and hope none of them grow up to be as stupid as their dad.
An undertone in Dutch weird right wing twitter is a desire to move to Russia/(sometimes Viktor Orbáns Hungary) because at least there they still have freedoms and rights. And they accuse the left of living in a filter bubble.
