Ow wait you weren’t asking me to explain what I meant, you were asking me to defend the correctness of the professors in genetics vs a crackpot at an event where I wasn’t, nor am I qualified as im not a professor in genetics, nor is Yud, after I just mentioned that I don’t think unqualified people are talking about this. So you were trying the Socratic method? How is that working out for you?

The text you’ve just quoted

Yes, and im quoting the LW crackpot, they are not saying they are unwittingly wrong, it is hinting at that they are intentionally wrong. (Using some very dodgy analogies (no making a chicken bigger isn’t like creating a 14 foot human that is a crazy comparison due to the whole thing in biology where stuff works differently at different scales (see also the strength of ants), it is powerful hype language however) and unscientific shit (the random asspulled graphs)). Also note that his whole article is using their fears of AI to promote that we should do more eugenics (using the weirdest logic imaginable, we should take care not to make mistakes and do everything slow in AI so we need to do eugenics fast) and that the professors are wrong/keeping back. And this is just what I can come up with after quickly skimming parts of the article (I don’t have the time/energy/expertise to do more anyway, I mean imagine if I had to look up all the literature they reference and see if it is correct (all 5 of them, I mean you did notice that there were only ~5 links to actual scientific articles right? Not an amount of backing I would want to base my political actions on (you also noticed that right?))). It also hits classic crankery levels, not only are the professors missing/suppressing something this thing is also a revolutionary thing which could save humanity. (also note he admits that the technology of editing babies on one gene is not solved yet (but they are close). Which should make you wonder why they are dismissive of ‘ethical issues’).

It also doesn’t help that your reactions are pattern matching the ‘im just curious, could you explain yourself’ kind of person we used to get on r/sneerclub who 90% of the times wasn’t curious but actually was just very pro race science or an annoying contrarian debatebro with yt induced brain damage (which got them banned very quickly, so word of warning).

E: and ow, you did notice that people in the comments are trying to say they should the guy who was recently famous for being able to keep his arm down into this right? (Fucking Ents who are pretending that the rest of the world doesn’t affect them).

You don’t understand, it is important to look at all diverse viewpoints (no not those), there might be some good ideas up there.

That there is a secret group of scientists who know something is up and they are suppressing this technology.

watching prominent tenured professors in the field of genetics take turns misrepresenting their own data

Am i misunderstanding the data? No it is all the scientists who are wrong. (He is also ignoring the “scientists” who do agree with him, who all seem to have a special room for ww2 paraphernalia)

So AGI is 0.5-2 years away. After which the singularity happens and due to AI alignment we either are immortal forever, or everybody is diamondoid paperclips.

A normal human takes 18 years to grow to maturity. So for the sake of the argument (yes yes, don’t hand it to ISIS) a supergene baby can do that in 9 years. (poor kid). Those timelines seem at odds with each other (and that is assuming the research was possible now).

I know timelines and science fiction stories are a bit fluid but, come on, at least pretend you believe in it. I’m not saying he is full of shit but… no wait, I am saying that.

LaVeyan satanism

As I said. Nerds.

black metal bands

Again. (Love that there seem to be two kinds of Black Metal bands (well three kinds, but the popular ones are posers and not trve nor kvlt, except for their first album), the ones very proud they are basing their songs on lord of the rings, and the other kind you know the one)

you should always escalate every conflict to the maximum in order to dissuade hypothetical agents from blackmailing you.

Ah not understanding the escalation ladder (or knowing it exists, and just going all in every time because they don’t get it) a common issue, slightly more common among younger nerds it seems (Made worse by Enders Game), but also fascists (somebody shared a story on bsky where they had violently (fists etc) gotten rid of some fascists at an event, who later returned to do a drive by shooting).

Finally something me and the crazies can agree upon, at least until it’s too warm out.

at least until it’s too warm out.

So you don’t agree. Musk wears that thing everywhere (yes yes, not literally everywhere, but a lot. Also he seems to have several) that thing must have a horrible … smell.

They believe in race and IQ, that people who code javascript blog a lot (no a lot) are superior (and should have all the money and power), and that the time of democracy is over. (and that some people should be reduced to biodiesel). They don’t believe the world has gotten less violent, they believe in corporal punishment, leather jackets make you look cool no matter the situation, etc etc.

Ow and that you can build Skynet using Turing machines.

This is not to be confused with what the zizians believe, they believe a bespoke set of other wild things. But I have never really looked much into them.

No very good point, no known direct connections. Esp with Moldy sliding into peoples dms.

Technically he doesn’t have connections to Thiel directly. They have connections to the lesswrong Rationalists (note, rationalwiki is not associated with the lesswrong Rationalists, and they don’t like each other, this place is also on team rationalwiki). However enough Rationalists are (or are friends with) neoreactionaries (for a long time LW was one of the few places where they were sometimes welcome, or even talked about). But this is one of the places where (through heavy layers of snark and derision) you could learn about these groups.

However, as the lore is deep, very annoying, quite bad (A lot of IQ-anon type people), I suggest you don’t start reading up on this. Ignorance once lost cannot be regained (There are also some very small (small as on low risk, but if you are one of the rare people high effect) mental health risks if you believe very specific things about skynet style AI and a few other silly beliefs). And you already got the important parts (Thiel and people close to him suck).

Wait, you are saying the ‘we should create incentives for less people to sterilize themselves’ guy is for this? Damn. That is fucked up.

“radical Berkeley pseudo-intellectuals”

Ah yes the more leftwing themotte user tracingwoodgrains. They place their windows in really strange places over there.

Lesswrong, launched feb 1, 2009

Not really my point, but a good one. They dont even have that many kids to spank.

Is this the family who has a lot of kids and who ‘do not believe in the research on corporal punishment’ (wonder what that means)? (Rhetorical)

e: lol on them blaming tinder. (Lets make it dumber, the moment that tinder was introduced still falls in within the normal (eyeballed) variance. The moment it breaks is … gamergate. Gamergate ended the world people).

Reading this post must be what having a stroke feels like. I would have trouble believing that if this wasn’t just how half these kinds of science fiction universes are.

Before 2020 or so he only had kids with one woman, so this whole massive amounts of kids spreading thing still matches with my theory of his radicalization being late.

Sorry I think that Musk is a neo-nazi now, but he wasn’t a couple of years ago (he was an allround asshole and racist yes, but this whole white birthrates neo-nazi shit is quite new (as in the past ~5-10 years)). I believe this for a few reasons, a) because we saw him get radicalized on twitter, via the various tech radicalization patterns. This is also important because more people around us are being radicalized the same way, and we need to find a way to stop this. and b) I don’t think he was smart enough to hide his nazism. Him always been a crypto-neo-nazi means he would have been able to hide this for everybody for decades before he came out recently. And I just don’t think he is that cunning or smart, he bought Twitter by accident after all.

So yes, he is one, but he wasn’t always, and that is important imho. (And small sidenote, I have met people who were named using nazi references from their parents, and they themselves were not nazis (but a bit traumatized by their parents being them), lot of shitty nazis in Europe still. I recall one really traumatized Austrian who while drunk was making himself angry and violent over his shitty parents, poor guy). So yeah I don’t believe in a nazi gene in a way.

And don’t take this as a defense of the guy, in a way my opinion of him is worse than if he was a crypto-nazi all along. I think he got radicalized via twitter. Like how old people got radicalized into qanon, he is a follower not a thought leader.