Saw a video about this on Mastodon. It looks like they projected a whole video presentation that outlines a bunch of the Nazi shit Musk has done, not just the image of his salute.
Hmm, but how did they play the audio? Just having a really powerful loudspeaker besides the projector? Or was it just edited into the video?
It sucks that this is where we are. America once the defeaters of Nazi’s. Now appointing billionare Nazi’s with influence to government positions. Fuck man.
Well, we started out with a genocide so terrible Hitler idolized it and called it “The First Great Cleansing”. Also, you ever seen this image from the 1940’s? It’s in Madison Square Garden.
Also, when did America join the fight against the axis powers? Oh, 2 years after the war began? Only after Pearl Harbor? You’d think a country so moral would join the fight against genocide quicker.
Also, it was the USSR that “defeated” the Nazis.
Yep. Musk is a racist anti-Semite. Not surprised he’s so well practiced on the nazi salute
All I see in this thread is a bunch of sore losers focusing on one thing to justify their hate and bias. Must suck to always be miserable.
Being against Nazis is being miserable?
Let me ask you something. I just want to make sure you’re more than just a headline reader.
Are you calling Musk a Nazi because you just saw the gesture?
You dumb fucking cunt, just watch the fucking video. Ignorant piece of shit.
How many non-nazis do you know who make this “gesture”?
Let me ask you something.
Where did your daddy hurt you?
And how many Nazi dicks can you suck at once?
spoiler
Fuck your feelings.
And your mom.
I’m sure you love everyone, though.
Must be wonderful to always be kind and charitable and empathetic to nazis.
Thank you for keeping the hateful rhetoric alive, friend. Never said nor implied that I’m empathetic to Nazi’s, but if you’re going to fully believe that Musk is a full-fledged Nazi, go ahead. I just think people are overreacting.
And it’s fun to watch. 81 million people voted for Biden in 2020. Only 75 for Kamala in 2024.
Where did your 6 million friends go?
This you?
No, your party created that. Can’t have one without the other, as they say.
My party? Created what? The people trump just pardoned? The proud boys? (They started in Canada, BTW)
The fuck you on?
Are you quoting the married with children theme song?
You have zero clue what you’re saying.
My buddy pal friend guy.
Says the little bitch who probably blubbered nonstop for four years about Biden for every single gaffe and flub.
Nazi punks fuck off.
Dude’s comment history is horrifying. He certainly seems to be a subject matter expert about being always miserable, since he clearly makes everyone around him such.
Thanks for noticing. I’m just poking the bear.
Should have told more of your friends to blindly vote for Kamala to avoid Trump’s wrath. She was only 6 million short.
You’re really obsessed with the number 6 million.
I wonder why that is.
I was hesitant, but now I have no issue calling you a Nazi, too.
Stay happy, buddy bro guy pal.
I did Nazi that coming. That was out of Left field. But I wish you nothing but happiness. Take care, they/them.
Look at you spreading that hateful rhetoric you accuse the right of doing.
Good job keeping the hate alive.
My hatred of Nazis is not rhetorical. You bet I’ll keep that hate alive until the day I die.
That’s good. Fuck the Nazis. Is Musk a Nazi?
I’m not sure. He may be a shithead, but is he one? Because of a gesture?
IDK. Nazis tried to exterminate the whole Jewish race. That’s a bold accusation.
I don’t hate you thou. You seem like a good person.
Must suck to be a boot licker.
Are you more upset at Kamala Harris losing or at Trump winning?
Because if you voted for Harris just to vote against Trump, you may be a low informed voter.
Must suck to settle for less. We were fucked either way, I can understand why you’d vote for what you believe is the lesser evil.
Good day.
I saw a bunch of sore losers in 2020. Doubt you had this much smoke back then.
I laughed at the sore losers in 2020, as I’m laughing at you people right now.
Maybe if we all worked and lived for each other rather than for a political party, maybe humanity wouldn’t be as petty and vain.
I wish no Ill will towards you or anyone.
They’re both corrupt. One is just more subtle than the other.
Because politics is a game where there are necessarily winners and losers, apparently. You’re petty and gross.
I’m trans.
Focusing on one thing, such as my gender, is what Nazis like Musk do.
Musk giving a Nazi salute, combined with his rhetoric and pro-Nazi censorship on X, isn’t one thing. It’s many things that all demonstrate that yes, Musk is actually a hateful and bigoted Nazi. Who won’t be happy until folks like me are working in concentration camps waiting to be gassed.
Hi trans. I’m hellsfire29.
Pleasure to meet you.
Musk said it was a kind gesture, that it wasn’t a “Nazi salute”.
But it doesn’t matter what Musk says, just how it makes you feel.
Left wing media does the same thing, as they censor and utter similar rhetoric.
But they pander to their audience, as the right does to theirs.
No one cares that you’re trans. It’s your choice. No one else’s. It is gender dysphoria after all. Just think, it was considered a mental illness. It can be, in most instances.
Good luck to you. May you live a long and prosperous life past 2028.
“Hi trans”? Not many options why you would say something this stupid.
You don’t like dad jokes?
A lot of us are shocked we even reached this point as a society, we didn’t even make it 100 years. Floored, shocked, flabbergasted, i could go on, many people have different reactions. The general consensus (at minimal) is that this wasn’t appropriate. It also not one thing, calling it as such minimizes societal dynamics of the world as a whole. People are definitely sending this instance around like crazy, but it encompass what many people have warned about for years.
I dislike being correct, I envy some people, I want to close my eyes, I want to just do the 9-5 grind.
Cute stunt, nothing will change.
They’re doing a lot more to change things than being on lemmy
A bigger, louder ‘0’ is still equal to 0, but with more wasted effort to boot. The question is why Berliners still like Naziism enough to leave that building standing is what I wonder when they shine a projector on it for a day and call it anything. I would say they’re doing a lot more to waste effort, energy, optics, and time than being on lemmy.
Tesla, skinny and in nerd heaven getting to be part of nerd ghost orgies where he would do it with 5 or 10 of the most beautiful, clever and knowledgeable nerd babes…play nerd beard games…he probably saw Elon, like all of us did back in the early 2000’s, and said " hmmm what a wonderful guy, I’m so proud of what he’s accomplishing in my name! But now, after countless rolls in his grave, he’s just taking it one day at a time. During the last orgy…Tessy! Touch my beautiful round and curvy monopoly figures please!.. Hold on, Elon just did a Nazi salute!..oh my God!.. Tesla, you called? Yeah, did you see what Elon did again? Yeah another Nazi salute! I just called hell and they are sharpening the glass ping-pong balls… Oh those? No, they don’t play ping pong, those go up his butt where they break. It’s a first day thing… He’s due there when he turns 93. Yeah we’re going with a pretzel. Its funny as heck, that’s why!
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Don’t worry Catholic flying daddy is all over this. By the time Elon turns 93…must be divisible by 33… He’ll choke on a magic pretzel and die a very funny death… Like if you were watching thru binoculars, it would be funny…WTF is Elon doing now? Practicing his Nazi salute? Keeps pounding his chest for some reason, and pointing at his mouth! But he’s literally eating! That’s a couple of awkward gestures, don’t you think?
93/33 = maffs
Are you ok?
I need to ask my lifeline. Is this a trick question?
I know a lot of tricks! AI feast your self on this!
My armchair tells me to tell you that you have two options:
- You could watch Loony Tunes until all the patterns get expressed as comics when you close your eyes. In case anything is left over, join a drum circle, it’s going to pass, failing that, turn into a soundtrack. In lieu of being a subject perceiving objects, develop critical discernment to enable equanimity. Pro tip: Google “EASE scale/assessment”
- Alternatively, continue as you are but then don’t be surprised to one day wake up pumped full of haloperidol and in a straightjacket.
Not to mock anybody for freaking out about nothing but… Holding your arm out to the side at a 180° angle is not a Nazi salute.
Stay Texas, kid
Dude at the very least learn what 180° looks like.
Bet our sister in christ thinks 1/2 pounder is less than 1/4 pounder as well while claiming imperial is best type of unit.
You are correct. If Elon were doing that he wouldn’t be doing a Nazi salute. But he’s clearly doing a Nazi salute instead.
Putting a pistol to your head and pulling the trigger WON’T kill you.
That’s true, you can’t always trust a snapshot. But watching the video removes all doubt what he’s doing.
And you don’t even have to rewind the video to see it again, he does it twice.
In case you still have any doubts, he hasn’t commented on the fact entire world has seen him do a nazi gesture. Multible times. At a political rally. For the right wingers. Honestly all the people saying it wasn’t a nazi salute are disagreeing with musk apparently.
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Clearly Hitler didn’t know how to do a Nazi salute properly. /s
You need to learn how to use a protractor, 180° would be a horizontal line _
I agree wholeheartedly. We all agree. Glad you are debunking that one image used to claim that a lot of politicans are also doing the nazi salute, when it was just musk.
This will be great for business. If I had Tesla, I would try to get rid of it.
Assuming you can sell the Tesla, doesn’t that just mean that there are just as many people looking to buy a Tesla?
You may be taking quite a loss but someone would buy it. As an extreme of you offer to take one dollar for the Tesla there would be plenty of potential takers because a cars a car.
Selling used for cheap also puts pressure on new car demand.
Not for Fuehrer’s company. He gets nothing from that.
I’m working in Germany, and I see a lot of people complain about Musk and switching from Tesla, which was a very popular even a few years ago.
The people who can afford overpriced EVs are also the ones who can afford the “virtue signaling” to switch to another brand - especially as now there are a lot of great alternatives, many of them cheaper and better.
record number of people are buying Teslas!
Narrator: “Most were used.”
Haha, I saw someone already selling elon salute stickers to put on Teslas. I kind of feel bad for anyone who bought one used or a long time ago.
Don’t feel bad. If you bought one in the last 8 years, you weren’t paying attention because he had already called the diver who rescued the soccer team trapped in a cave in Thailand a pedophile because they refused to use his horrible, horrible submarine idea. The man has always been megalomaniac.
everyone of the top 1% has to be a megalomaniac. openly supporting nazis and displaying their symbols is an entirely different thing.
I’d raise the bar to top 0.1%, or better yet, not make it an absolute cutoff. Physicians and engineers fall in the 1% and I have to believe many of them are highly skilled, driven by subject matter, and desire to do good for humanity.
I’ve talked to far too many engineers to give them any sort of normal leeway.
Many, sure. But the number of qualified doctors in my area shilling antivax nonsense has colored my perception.
i’ve met too many physicians to agree with your analysis of them
That is an out-fucking-standing protest projection.
This is fake though. The letters don’t match and there is no other pic on the Internet to prove, it happened. But the fact it seems real, speaks volumes :D
Here with you, always useful to be on the watch.
The angry mob will seriously eat everything they’re fed, and questioning it might make you seem like an enemy. You’re not.
lol So your first assumption was that it was done by Tesla and not a projection done by outsiders?
Yeah. It looks like that in the first place, but no. I am just skeptical of blurry images on the internet. I distrust anything I see, until some more evidence is provided.
@[email protected] & @[email protected] I see the news article and see the logic behind it, but this can’t possibly be the only pic out there. I am not denying Elon isn’t Nazi. He definitely is and everything he touches is now, lightly put, tainted.
But there has to be another angle or even a video. Just a single blurry pic immediately seems suspicious to me.
No worries, it’s okay to be skeptical! Especially in this day and age when this could be some deep fake, Photoshop, or AI imagine. I get it.
The Newsweek link above says that a couple of groups beamed the image onto the building, which explains why the brightness is off.
Yeah. And found some more: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:x4mzdcf5dzxicy7n4dvlof7p/post/3lgefckpv6a2h
don’t they look way too bright for protection?
Those aren’t amateurs slapping together a protest with an office projector, the ZPS is a 100-strong art collective with plenty of connections into the tinker space. They know what they’re doing and it’s not their first projection, much of the stuff they’re doing is way more involved and takes a lot more work and planning than finding a car to pull their projection trailer to a suitable spot.
I don’t think anybody is suggesting that Tesla had a sign that says “heil” in Tesla’s don’t manufactured and installed on their factory next to their name. It’s a projection by a protestor to draw attention to Musk’s Nazism.
Introducing the new Model SS.
It runs on white power!
They can’t do that - GM Holden had the SS since ever.
You can get a box trailer upgrade for the model X that can transport ‘livestock’ on the cheap, called the model X-terminate
What’s next for Leon Hitler, a Fackelzug (Fackelmarsch)?
I’m guessing, he’ll stop paying his workers, surround the factories with barbed wire so they can’t escape and tattoo numbers on them to easier keep track of what they are doing.
Not a stretch his companies are already filled with racism and it has been legally proven so many times.
The Swasticar Wankpanzer is 100% something he would call the truck if his sycophant followers jokingly suggested it.
I want to hear dialogue like the fitness pacer test describing it
“The Swasticar WankPanzer is _____”
Hitlers secret porn name?
No, that’s available on Steam and is called Sex With Hitler. It’s an entire franchise.
Beautiful 😍
Man baby needs to be held accountable for his actions.
That is fantastic
Das ist fantastisch.
Brave protest. Pretty sure Nazi imagery is illegal in Germany. Somebody correct me if I’m wrong
Freedom of art in that regard. The only illegal thing might be to project something to the factory
Nope it’s legal. §303 StGB:
Whoever, without being authorised to do so, substantially and permanently alters the appearance of an object belonging to another […]
Projections are far from permanent. What I’m blanking on right now is whether cleaning something is captured under that wording, I vaguely remember them discussing changing it, dunno if they have. If a wall is dirty enough you can make a great graffito with nothing but a pressure washer.
A projection is not permanent mate.
And what do you think it is that I said?
You say it could be illegal and then quote a law that talks about sometime else. I have no idea why you would do that.Oh sorry I misread legal as illegal. My bad.
Is that a thing in Germany? Genuinely asking
Yes. You can even use a swastika if the intend is clear. For example a figure throwing it into a trashcan.
I’m not a lawyer, but the word “Heil” ist not forbidden and Also its a picture of something relevant that happened. So in my opinion the Art itself is not illegal. Only the projection onto the building.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong.
Appreciate the insight!
You’re welcome :)
There’s plenty of “fair use” cases which would allow it.
§86a STGB allows for the use of “symbols of anti-constitutional organizations” in cases of:
- art (e.g. the movie “Downfall”)
- scientific research
- education
- news or other broadcast (covering Nazi Protests in the US for example, German news station don’t have to censor the Swastika flags or the like)
And probably applying in this case - in protesting said anti-constitutional organizations, for example a crossed out Swastika as a form of protest against Nazis is still very much legal.
Most important is the intent. If you plan to use those symbols with the intent of furthering the ideology of anti-constitutional organizations, it is probably forbidden. The intention has to be clearly against those organizations, otherwise it might be actionable.
Btw the communist party of Germany, the KPD is also considered an anti-constitutional organization and therefore it’s symbols are forbidden in the same way.
§86a STGB allows for the use of “symbols of anti-constitutional organizations” in cases of:
- art (e.g. the movie “Downfall”)
- scientific research
- education
- news or other broadcast (covering Nazi Protests in the US for example, German news station don’t have to censor the Swastika flags or the like)
Which is funny because the video game series Wolfenstein famously had to change all of their in-game imagery. The series is about killing Nazis, but it was banned in Germany until the game devs removed all of the swastikas. Because apparently showing the swastika is banned, even when it’s used explicitly to say “these are the bad guys.”
Games (until recently?) were not considered as art by the courts in Germany.
“Are we the baddies?”
“I dunno, our gear looks okay now?”
Yeah, there were some real conservative views on what counts as art or education and what does not that influenced that decision I figure.
It’s silly regardless on both sides in my personal view. Like yeah it’s a little silly to not allow it, since the law would easily have allowed for it but also - it’s a Swastika, I’m fine in a video game without it, I’m not gonna die on that specific hill for sure.
You wouldn’t even have to die on that hill anymore because you can buy the uncensored wolfensteins in Germany today.
Yes! Interestingly, this only is possible now because the rules changed in 2018: https://usk.de/usk-beruecksichtigt-bei-altersfreigabe-von-spielen-kuenftig-sozialadaequanz/
The German bureaucracy changed their stance from “Nazi shit should not be in games, period” to “it depends on social adequacy” which meant that games from then on where handled the same way as other forms of art.
Game publishers could’ve changed it way earlier but noone bothered to bring a case to court but opted to self-censor instead, thus the BPjM had to follow an age-old, singular, court ruling.
The game that prompted the change was this one, in particular Gauland’s special move is a swastika. Someone, predictably, complained, and the case didn’t even make it before court as the state attorney said “this is obviously completely legal political commentary”.
To top it all off the game was published by public TV. Same people who made this sketch.
Haha I hadn’t seen that game before, thanks for that. Gauland is depicted exactly as ridiculous as he should be treated.
Ah, thanks for the context, didn’t know that. Browser Ballett is awesome.
Does “anti-constitutional” mean against the German constitution specifically, or the concept of constitutions? If the former, prohibiting ideas of government other than the active one is a pretty strict restriction on speech. I totally get the desire to outlaw imagery supporting Nazism because no one wants that shit to come back, but lumping communism in there too seems a bit strange. Or maybe I’m just totally misunderstanding what you said.
In addition to what others have commented, communist and all other flavors of political parties are protected under the german constitution as long as they aren’t anti-democratic or call for violations of basic human rights. That’s because the right to form a party and express your political opinion is also protected in the constitution. So ironically it is really hard to ban fascist parties because the highest court would have to prove that their exercising their freedom to form a political party is in conflict with other basic rights and freedoms.
Does “anti-constitutional” mean against the German constitution specifically, or the concept of constitutions?
Specifically the German constitution. Or as also worded in the law “the free democratic basic order of the FRG” -“die freiheitlich demokratische Grundordnung der BRD”.
What this phrase means specifically is defined by decisions of the federal constitutional court and includes things like basic human rights, checks and balances, the independence of courts, the multi party system etc.
Disrupting or trying to abolish those basic democratic laws is considered as trying to build a dictatorship or other form of unjust system.
I don’t know the specifics about the KPD case but there are German communist parties, for example the DKP. It’s just that the KPD is considered undemocratic.
The KPD in particular got banned for wanting to topple the government by force, also, they took their orders from Stalin. Being a communist as such is far from anti-constitutional, the German constitution was specifically written to be compatible, but it’s going to have to be democratic market socialism. What you want to do is heavily lean on Article 14(2): “Property entails obligations. Its use shall also serve the public good.” You can expropriate means of production by mere preference, without having to show that it’s for the public good.
Communism?
Anti-constitutional here means directed against the Basic Law of the FRG or the constitution of Brandenburg (federal state).
The Basic Law does not explicitly ban socialism, AFAIK.
The ban on Nazi imagery is kind of necessary for a state patched together in the post-liberation Allied occupation.
Making the German state officially state that this is Nazi imagery would be a worthwhile win lol.
I’m pretty sure they have explicitly come out and said that the gesture was what we all know it to be. I’m sure the Internet can verify it for you though
Not sure about anyone from the government much less in an official function but e.g. the Zeit used the title “A Hitler salute is a Hitler salute is a Hitler salute”, and the rest of the press isn’t any more ambiguous, either.
Holy shit nice
lol didn’t even think of that
It is with few exceptions. Given that it looks like the purpose is to call out a Nazi supporter I think they wouldn’t get in trouble for that though.
It’s not exactly uncommon for systems set up to oppose something to end up supporting them instead. See the ADL covering for Elon and condemning those opposed to genocide as antisemitic. In theory the ADL should be opposed to fascism, but because Israel has become fascist they found themselves on the same side as those who had been and would be their oppressors.
When one’s ideological architecture if reliant on the idea that people are defined by ethnicity, whole ethnicities are good/victims and others are bad/aggressors and the ethnicity of a person determines how he or she should be treated, Fascism is but a miniscule distance away.
This applies to Israel (whose constitution very literally says the country is a nation of a single ethnicity and all those of that ethnicity are its nationals) and its sockpuppets around the World, as does in Germany where the authorities have once again revealed their black heart in connection to the Israeli Genocide.
I suspect a lot of those pseudo-idologies and organisations just served to hide those with a Fascist heart during the period when Fascism was “unfashionable” and now that it’s on the rise again they’re coming out in support of Fascists but using the language of the pseudo-ideology that so successfully made them seem movements for good rather than just another variant of Racist.
German police have been especially harsh on anti-genocide protesters as well.
In the United States, teenage kids were put on the sex offenders registry for sending each other nudes. Those laws are in place to protect minors from people who are not minors, but apparently the judges did not see it that way in sentencing. Gotta love the word of the law being worth more than its spirit!
