• slingstone@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    There’s a lot of talk these days about people being cancelled. This guy seems like the sort of person that would be an excellent candidate for it. I believe we, as a society, ought to collectively express our disgust at this kind of behavior.

    So how is it done? How do we figuratively light the signal fires of Gondor and call forth the hosts to confront this evil?

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      6 months ago

      We could less-figuratively use O’Leary as the signal fires of Gondor.

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      Everyone should send these shitty people drawings of poop. Good ones, bad ones. Whatever your drawing level… draw a poop, lable it with “poop” if youre not sure theyll get it and send it. That should get across that we collectively think they are shit.

      These types of assholes usually have po box for their businesses at the very least. On their website they typically have some sort of mailing address under “contact us.”

      If we can get inundated with junk mail everyday from shitty businesses advertising I think we can return the favor on this one.

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          Maybe #shitpostal could work? dunno how any potential sensors would handle that one though. Don’t want it getting filtered out or anything

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              I like that one a lot more! No censoring to worry about.
              I’d really love for this to take off. It’s a way to protest that people can participate in without having to disrupt their lives or take time off from work.

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                So how do we do this? Post the campaign on anti work, work reform, etc? Do we want to post elsewhere, or see how far this goes on Lemmy?

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                  Honestly I have no idea and just kinda posted that without thinking too far ahead, not even sure if it was a good idea or if it would get any traction. I’m excited that there’s at least some interest!

                  Post it whereever you think people would be interested in participating! Maybe start on lemmy first then branch out once people here seem to be aware of it? Then just see what happens! Hopefully some folks will participate.

                  I plan on sending some poop drawings this weekend to get the ball rolling. Maybe I’ll post a pic of it on lemmy too to spread the word!

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        Even better if you send it in their own, pre-paid postage envelopes they sent to you for whatever bullshit reason.

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      Rich asshole with a reality TV show? Probably just as likely that we elect him president, wait for him to commit treason and more felonies than anyone can reasonably keep track of, and then fail to hold him meaningfully accountable for any of it.

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          He tried putting his hat in the ring for Canada’s PM. Didn’t get much momentum. His wife killing a guy with their boat came back up in the news. There’s speculation she took the fall for him because he was drunk and killing people while drunk driving your boat is generally frowned upon in Canada.

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        If Kev and his cronies keep pushing their neofeudalist garbage, that might just be the solution we’ll see.

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    I’m available for work after hours - 1 week a month, scheduled several months in advance.
    I get about 1000€ extra for it, per month. And also 42 days of paid vacation per year, plus unlimited sick days.

    That’s what this rule would do - force employers to make it worth your while if they need you after hours, and force them to think about whether they really need that.

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    Kevin, seriously, what actual value do you serve to the human race? What do you do that makes life better overall? I don’t mean new toys or new companies that produce more shit, what do you make for the average person that makes their life better? Nothing, is that answer. You had a chance way back, educational software could have been a human life changer… but no, you couldn’t make money on it. So go fuck your self. Vafancullo

    It’s time to hold idiots like this guy accountable.

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      The first time you watch Shark Tank, you might think this Kevin guy is a bit of an asshole. However, if you carefully study his history, his successes, and dig deep into what the man himself is like, you discover that he is, in fact, a piece of shit.

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    There are a lot of jobs that require out of hours support, specifically those that aren’t tied to business hours. In tech at least, many of the sites and services you use are built off the backs of software engineers that are paged at 5am because latency is a little higher than normal.

    I don’t raise this to say that this rule is bullshit, but to say that there are a lot of arguments that will be used to push people to work longer than their allotted hours. IMO this is absolutely required, but I would go further and say that any contact outside of working hours implies a working contract, and guarantees that the employee is paid for the disruption caused. That includes on-call too, which is often unpaid.

    Labor laws in the US are, frankly, hilariously bad. You deserve unlimited sick pay, at least 25 days holiday (separate from sick leave), and the removal of at-will employment. What is described here is the bare minimum of what you should have.

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      Hey guess what, some people have to work on weekends too. Seems like we were able to figure that one out no problem.

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      There are a lot of jobs that require out of hours support, specifically those that aren’t tied to business hours. In tech at least, many of the sites and services you use are built off the backs of software engineers that are paged at 5am because latency is a little higher than normal.

      There is a very easy solution to this dilemma: pay someone to stand ready at off-hours.

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        My first job in the late 90s did just that - 1 hour pay for every 8 on call. 4 hours when you get a call (even if it took 5 minutes.)

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        While true, there are some complications to this:

        • Unsociable hours usually require more pay
        • If you’re already working 40 hours a week, focusing on stuff out of hours is going to be hard. I know this all too well!

        IMO, this is EXACTLY where outsourcing should be used. Either move someone from the US (or your home country) to where you need support, ensure you have a good triage system for issues that might come up, etc.

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          What is complicated? You give two bullet points and a potential solution that all fall under the umbrella of “paying someone.” This solves the problem.

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            It’s a simple solution to what’s a more nuanced problem.

            Be honest. If faced with the choice to cut hours/roles, move roles overseas, or to “pay more”, do you think many business owners will do the latter?

            You need to consider the nuance here, otherwise you find a similar situation to the minimum wage rises, where businesses complain about the operations not being viable because they need to start treating workers like humans.

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              Yes, I agree. We definitely need to consider the “nuance” of a situation where business is asked to treat their workers like human beings.

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                You can be as obtuse as you want. You know I’m right, and it’s exactly why legislation is needed to ensure these things are done correctly to stop businesses from exploiting the rules.

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          I worked retail for 10+ years, and never once did I receive more pay for working on weekends, nor have I ever met anyone who has.

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      Those of us who admin critical systems know when we’re responsible and know which folks call us regarding those systems. I’m not answering a call from a random manager but If the engineering chain calls, they don’t abuse the privilege.

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    If employees start ignoring their boss’s calls, texts, and emails outside of work hours, an after-hours emergency might have to wait until the next business day, which O’Leary finds unacceptable.

    Did this fucking fascist consider hiring more staff and going 24/7? How is it the problem of salaried workers that their boss is too fucking cheap to hire enough people to get the level of support that he wants?

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      I made this a few years ago, about 6 months before walking out on a job I’d had for 11 years.

      Fuck all these sociopaths. Right in the ear. With a rusty spoon.

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      If your service needs to operate 24/7, then it needs to be staffed 24/7. If it doesn’t need to operate 24/7, then staff will resolve the issue during normal work hours. Most businesses have IT teams stagger their start time so that someone comes in early and can deal with issues that may have risen the night before and prior to other employees arriving.

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      And all these laws have carveouts for emergencies. Although I have a feeling Mr O’Leary would probably count having to do a presentation on Monday morning for some guy he met golfing over the weekend an emergency.

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    A couple hundred years ago, Kevin O’Leary would be whipping his slaves to death for objecting to being raped.

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        That vote’s coming in western Canada. So many short-sighted hillbillies rage-voting in some fatcat climate-change denying moron hell-bent on killing healthcare and personal autonomy under the banner of “woke==bad”. All the Dodge RAM pilots are eating it up – and not just to soak up the rye before heading out.

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    JFC, as a business owner I 100% not expect my employees to be reachable after hours. Why do these idiots don’t understand the basic principle: happy employee is productive employee. Understanding life happens and work is ‘just’ work. Give and take equally, be reasonable about stuff - basic human empathy… I hold my own personal time in high regard, it would be insane not to hold other people’s personal time in high regard too.

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    i think this is a good idea in 95% of cases. Some jobs obviously require being on call. In some cases, it’s necessary to have meetings with people in +/- 8h timezones. there should be appropriate compensation naturally.

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      Some jobs obviously require being on call.

      If you need 24/7 coverage, you also need to pay those people to wait around on call. But just buzzing people at odd hours and demanding Just-in-Time employment puts a disproportionate tax on their unpaid time.

      Medical staff will often have these extremely long - 20 to 30 hour - shifts because they want to maintain continuous care on a patient. But they also get paid for being active for that time frame. They don’t just teleport to the hospital when an ambulance arrives and teleport away again as soon as the patient is stable. Professional Fire Departments keep people on call in rotation so there’s always someone available in the event of an emergency. The volunteer system yields much worse results, as people holding down households and second jobs can’t drop everything on short notice to rush halfway across town with ease.

      there should be appropriate compensation naturally.

      But that will cost money. And paying more money means keeping fewer profits.

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    “Who dreams this crap up?”

    Working class people who make .5% what you do and don’t want to eat, sleep, and breathe work, you fucking fascist turd goblin.

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      but if you don’t work while you eat and sleep how am i supposed to sit on my ass and complain about you all day

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      .5% is generous. Kevin is a billionaire. If workers made .5% of even a single billion dollars, that’s 5 million dollars.

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        Sounds like he should get domed along with everyone like him (and everyone that supports/bootlicks him).

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      The insane thing is you are probably missing a few 0’s in there for the percentage. Maybe .05% or .005% depending on the company.