JFC, as a business owner I 100% not expect my employees to be reachable after hours. Why do these idiots don’t understand the basic principle: happy employee is productive employee. Understanding life happens and work is ‘just’ work. Give and take equally, be reasonable about stuff - basic human empathy… I hold my own personal time in high regard, it would be insane not to hold other people’s personal time in high regard too.
SLAM! So effective. I’m thankful it’s utterly useless in this case though.
There’s a lot of talk these days about people being cancelled. This guy seems like the sort of person that would be an excellent candidate for it. I believe we, as a society, ought to collectively express our disgust at this kind of behavior.
So how is it done? How do we figuratively light the signal fires of Gondor and call forth the hosts to confront this evil?
Boycott the companies funding them
Everyone should send these shitty people drawings of poop. Good ones, bad ones. Whatever your drawing level… draw a poop, lable it with “poop” if youre not sure theyll get it and send it. That should get across that we collectively think they are shit.
These types of assholes usually have po box for their businesses at the very least. On their website they typically have some sort of mailing address under “contact us.”
If we can get inundated with junk mail everyday from shitty businesses advertising I think we can return the favor on this one.
You realize you can send actual shit through the mail, yeah?
Even better if you send it in their own, pre-paid postage envelopes they sent to you for whatever bullshit reason.
This could work.
#we’re not taking your crap anymore
Maybe #shitpostal could work? dunno how any potential sensors would handle that one though. Don’t want it getting filtered out or anything
You’re right on making it more pithy, but if prefer something like #nomorecrap
I like that one a lot more! No censoring to worry about.
I’d really love for this to take off. It’s a way to protest that people can participate in without having to disrupt their lives or take time off from work.So how do we do this? Post the campaign on anti work, work reform, etc? Do we want to post elsewhere, or see how far this goes on Lemmy?
Honestly I have no idea and just kinda posted that without thinking too far ahead, not even sure if it was a good idea or if it would get any traction. I’m excited that there’s at least some interest!
Post it whereever you think people would be interested in participating! Maybe start on lemmy first then branch out once people here seem to be aware of it? Then just see what happens! Hopefully some folks will participate.
I plan on sending some poop drawings this weekend to get the ball rolling. Maybe I’ll post a pic of it on lemmy too to spread the word!
Rich asshole with a reality TV show? Probably just as likely that we elect him president, wait for him to commit treason and more felonies than anyone can reasonably keep track of, and then fail to hold him meaningfully accountable for any of it.
Better that people do not know this but I am pretty sure he is Canadian. No Presidential risk.
He tried putting his hat in the ring for Canada’s PM. Didn’t get much momentum. His wife killing a guy with their boat came back up in the news. There’s speculation she took the fall for him because he was drunk and killing people while drunk driving your boat is generally frowned upon in Canada.
Guillotine?
If Kev and his cronies keep pushing their neofeudalist garbage, that might just be the solution we’ll see.
We could less-figuratively use O’Leary as the signal fires of Gondor.
says the guy who definitely blows up his employee’s phones after hours
…and is irritated when he gets after hours calls.
Yeah he is one of those that won’t respond when people try to work out if issue is resolved
Oh, you just know that dickbag has an answering service, still. My asshole of a father did until he retired earlier this year.
Fuck you, pay me.
You beat me to it 😂
He’s also ignoring the fact that if your job’s responsibilities are mission-critical, chances are you have a contract which stipulates situations in which you can be contacted after hours. It’s about Joe Schmoe IT guy being called in at 7pm while he’s having dinner with his family and being told to come to work because Greg the assistant to the Sales VP forgot his password again. Greg can fuck right off until tomorrow morning.
The server going down at 2am is mission-critical and the guy in charge of it will definitely be answering that call to fix it.
Right, but he’s placing a subtle idea on people that wage theft isn’t a thing, overtime shouldn’t be a thing, and we shouldn’t have regulation for that. There’s a reason SREs get paid so much money, and it’s because it’s in their contract that they have to be the ones to rotate shifts and be up at 2am during an upgrade or otherwise, and he’s just mad he can’t pay everyone less and make more money
Just average capitalist things. Nothing to see here.
At my job we’re expected to at least try to be available if needed after hours which in my 3 years here has happened once and it took about 30 minute and I waited until my son went to bed for the night.
In return we get to leave for doctors appointments, picking up kids, errands etc without having to use PTO or make up the time. It’s a pretty sweet deal for the developers and no one abuses it to much.
At my old job they tried to get us to work after hours pretty frequently for a fraction of what our hourly rate was, we were salaried but when you broke it down you’d be getting like $20 an hour instead of $50. Ridiculous and almost no one did it.
The only correct answer. Pay for that availability if needed around the clock.
but that’s why we made you salary with low wages!
If employees start ignoring their boss’s calls, texts, and emails outside of work hours, an after-hours emergency might have to wait until the next business day, which O’Leary finds unacceptable.
Did this fucking fascist consider hiring more staff and going 24/7? How is it the problem of salaried workers that their boss is too fucking cheap to hire enough people to get the level of support that he wants?
If your service needs to operate 24/7, then it needs to be staffed 24/7. If it doesn’t need to operate 24/7, then staff will resolve the issue during normal work hours. Most businesses have IT teams stagger their start time so that someone comes in early and can deal with issues that may have risen the night before and prior to other employees arriving.
And all these laws have carveouts for emergencies. Although I have a feeling Mr O’Leary would probably count having to do a presentation on Monday morning for some guy he met golfing over the weekend an emergency.
I made this a few years ago, about 6 months before walking out on a job I’d had for 11 years.
Fuck all these sociopaths. Right in the ear. With a rusty spoon.
“Who dreams this crap up?”
Working class people who make .5% what you do and don’t want to eat, sleep, and breathe work, you fucking fascist turd goblin.
The insane thing is you are probably missing a few 0’s in there for the percentage. Maybe .05% or .005% depending on the company.
.5% is generous. Kevin is a billionaire. If workers made .5% of even a single billion dollars, that’s 5 million dollars.
but if you don’t work while you eat and sleep how am i supposed to sit on my ass and complain about you all day
Kevin O’Leary’s annual income is reported at $40+ million. The average salary in the US is About $60k. The number you’re looking for is 0.15%.
Sounds like he should get domed along with everyone like him (and everyone that supports/bootlicks him).
.00000000…00001% of you do *
If he wants to have people on call after hours - how about paying them for that?
A couple hundred years ago, Kevin O’Leary would be whipping his slaves to death for objecting to being raped.
With the right vote he could be doing that in a few years too.
That vote’s coming in western Canada. So many short-sighted hillbillies rage-voting in some fatcat climate-change denying moron hell-bent on killing healthcare and personal autonomy under the banner of “woke==bad”. All the Dodge RAM pilots are eating it up – and not just to soak up the rye before heading out.
i think this is a good idea in 95% of cases. Some jobs obviously require being on call. In some cases, it’s necessary to have meetings with people in +/- 8h timezones. there should be appropriate compensation naturally.
Some jobs obviously require being on call.
If you need 24/7 coverage, you also need to pay those people to wait around on call. But just buzzing people at odd hours and demanding Just-in-Time employment puts a disproportionate tax on their unpaid time.
Medical staff will often have these extremely long - 20 to 30 hour - shifts because they want to maintain continuous care on a patient. But they also get paid for being active for that time frame. They don’t just teleport to the hospital when an ambulance arrives and teleport away again as soon as the patient is stable. Professional Fire Departments keep people on call in rotation so there’s always someone available in the event of an emergency. The volunteer system yields much worse results, as people holding down households and second jobs can’t drop everything on short notice to rush halfway across town with ease.
there should be appropriate compensation naturally.
But that will cost money. And paying more money means keeping fewer profits.
what if you have to get a hold of them at two in the morning
People sometimes accuse me of being cynical, and yet here I was giving this guy the benefit of the doubt, thinking his objection might be that we don’t need such a rule because employees already had the right to not answer the phone by nature and tradition.
Not-slave owners?
That dude is a great illustration what Engels meant by comparing slavery to wage slavery.
These corporate fucks should just die. No ifs, no buts, just fucking die like the scum they are.
Too humane
Die, and then get called back on the job after hours
Oh that’s employees boss. We’re the majority actually. And if you stop us from organizing or voting we’re still the majority, just angrier.
There are a lot of jobs that require out of hours support, specifically those that aren’t tied to business hours. In tech at least, many of the sites and services you use are built off the backs of software engineers that are paged at 5am because latency is a little higher than normal.
I don’t raise this to say that this rule is bullshit, but to say that there are a lot of arguments that will be used to push people to work longer than their allotted hours. IMO this is absolutely required, but I would go further and say that any contact outside of working hours implies a working contract, and guarantees that the employee is paid for the disruption caused. That includes on-call too, which is often unpaid.
Labor laws in the US are, frankly, hilariously bad. You deserve unlimited sick pay, at least 25 days holiday (separate from sick leave), and the removal of at-will employment. What is described here is the bare minimum of what you should have.
Those of us who admin critical systems know when we’re responsible and know which folks call us regarding those systems. I’m not answering a call from a random manager but If the engineering chain calls, they don’t abuse the privilege.
Hey guess what, some people have to work on weekends too. Seems like we were able to figure that one out no problem.
There are a lot of jobs that require out of hours support, specifically those that aren’t tied to business hours. In tech at least, many of the sites and services you use are built off the backs of software engineers that are paged at 5am because latency is a little higher than normal.
There is a very easy solution to this dilemma: pay someone to stand ready at off-hours.
My first job in the late 90s did just that - 1 hour pay for every 8 on call. 4 hours when you get a call (even if it took 5 minutes.)
While true, there are some complications to this:
- Unsociable hours usually require more pay
- If you’re already working 40 hours a week, focusing on stuff out of hours is going to be hard. I know this all too well!
IMO, this is EXACTLY where outsourcing should be used. Either move someone from the US (or your home country) to where you need support, ensure you have a good triage system for issues that might come up, etc.
What is complicated? You give two bullet points and a potential solution that all fall under the umbrella of “paying someone.” This solves the problem.
It’s a simple solution to what’s a more nuanced problem.
Be honest. If faced with the choice to cut hours/roles, move roles overseas, or to “pay more”, do you think many business owners will do the latter?
You need to consider the nuance here, otherwise you find a similar situation to the minimum wage rises, where businesses complain about the operations not being viable because they need to start treating workers like humans.
Yes, I agree. We definitely need to consider the “nuance” of a situation where business is asked to treat their workers like human beings.
I worked retail for 10+ years, and never once did I receive more pay for working on weekends, nor have I ever met anyone who has.
