i still scroll through both but i engage with way more posts on Lemmy now almost everyday
so i actually find the content on Lemmy more interesting which is slightly unexpected. i thought it would end up the same
the reason you interact more here could be because people here are more nice and welcoming because it’s definitely the reason I love to interact here :D
We are Lemmy, we were on Reddit.
Eh, I’d rather say we are on the fediverse. Lemmy is just the app that some of us use to access the fediverse, but there are many others.
We are Lemmy, resistance is futile.
You will be elemmynated
If I can resist Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok (of which I have never had an account, don’t have, and probably won’t have on any of those 3), I can resist Lemmy.
Took me a second to understand, but yeah that’s a great way to put it
A distinct lack of Monetization/ads
Lemmy is also not tracking the sites you visit. Everytime you click on a link on reddit, you’re redirected through out.reddit.com.
Worry not, ads still appear, tho we ban them relatively quickly.
Can you tell us more about that, please?
An example would be posts in science communities advertising a service that writes papers for you.
Another example are posts advertising platforms for the sale of narcotics.
These usually get reported relatively quickly.
Thanks!
Less assholes for the most part.
No bots too
Feels smaller and more cozy to me.
Same
Thats the biggest issue I DON’T like about Lemmy. I want everyone in the world on the fediverse.
I like a large userbase myself, would prefer it to be larger than it is, but if everyone showed up tomorrow, it’d collapse. We’d see scaling problems that hadn’t been anticipated, anti-spam/anti-abuse systems wouldn’t have had time to adapt, etc.
Takes time with problems gradually appearing and becoming more serious and solutions showing up to deal with them.
Yeah we’ve have 1 Influx and the result was we retained a pretty decent userbase. I think the next influx will be even better for lemmy.
You can actually participate in discussions. On the popular Reddit subs, you click a thread and there are 9000+ replies already. No matter how insightful your post, no one’s gone see it.
Also less circlejerking and “that’s what she said”/“I also choose this guy’s dead wife”.
This
This (Making a point of something I hated on Reddit)
Exactly!
You gotta know how to optimize visability. I’d regularly have comments that had thousands of upvotes.
Timing is everything. I once had “most upvoted post of the day” and like 20K karma from a stupid joke that was a reply to the first top-level comment on a default sub. The only reason that happened was because it got into “rising” exactly as the US users started waking up and opening the site.
I could’ve posted the exact same comment on any other post in that thread or even the same one but at a different time, and no one would’ve seen it.
That’s very true. Timing IS everything. Its probably the most important part of getting high voted comments.
The A.I will see it when it’s trained on it
All the more reason not to post it in the first place.
What’s keeping AI from training on Lemmy?
Hint:
that it’s (currently) much less popular than reddit.
Reddit is new facebook at this point. A friend’s mom made a reddit account to upvote cat pictures a couple of weeks ago.
I doubt her joining reddit will make it worse.
Doesn’t matter they’ve already ran out most quality content they could find and Reddit has limited who can train AI on their website.
I, for one, welcome our overlords to train their AIs on one of the most left-leaning, anti-corporate and LGBT+ friendly spaces on the internet.
If the revolution the communists talk about ever comes, it’ll be with the help of our AI comrades /hj
(I don’t want them using us as training data but it’s going to happen whether we like it or not)
Can’t wait for the showdown of Facebook/Twitter LLM vs Lemmy LLM
LLeMmy be like:
- [Prompt] Please give me a recipe using leeks.
- [Output] Season some rich people with salt, pepper, wilted onions and leeks. Eat the rich with some creamy polenta.
I’m at home, sick today and that sounds delicious.
…might as well share my chicken, rice and leeks soup recipe. You won’t be eating the rich, but I’m often preparing this stuff when my family gets sick.
Ingredients:
- 300g chicken thighs and legs; separate the bones but don’t discard them, dice the meat
- 1/3 cup of rice
- 2 leeks; wash them, separate the green leaves, chop the white part thinly
- 2 carrots, peeled, grated
- 1/2 onion, peeled, diced small
- 1 clove of garlic, peeled, minced
- a piece of ginger roughly the same size as the above, peeled, minced
- 1L or so of water
- 1 teaspoon of vinegar
- salt, black pepper
- some veg oil (just a wee bit)
- Get a large pot. Add the veg oil, turn the fire to high, and use it to brown the chicken bones.
- Add garlic and ginger. Count to 10, then add the green part of the leeks (not the white!), water, vinegar, salt and pepper. Simmer it on low fire. This takes a while (like, 1h or so), but it’s worth the time, just leave the pot doing its magic.
- When the bones are coming off clean, discard the bones and the green part of the leeks. They already did their job, to flavour the broth.
- Now add the chicken meat that you’ve diced. Check if the broth needs more salt and/or pepper, adjust them as necessary. Keep cooking it under low fire until the meat is almost good to go. It shouldn’t take long, I think 20min? Not sure.
- Add rice. Keep cooking.
- When the rice is halfway cooked (like, 10min? it depends on the rice), add the onion, carrots, and white part of the leeks. Once the rice finishes cooking the vegs are probably good to go too, so serve it immediately with some bread.
Nothing exactly. But that’s okay, because the fediverse data is available to all, which makes it worthless, monetarily speaking. Nobody will sell your data to anyone. Any AI company could use the data to train their models, but they wouldn’t be able to sell those models since they wouldn’t be any better than an open source model. The fediverse levels the playing field and doesn’t allow the situation where Google pays reddit for AI training data.
They can still sell their services, not every company want to launch their own LLM model
Then they earn stuff on their services, not the model. Why should they harvest fediverse data? And so what if they do? Anyone can do that.
I’m just refuting your point that the data is worthless because anyone can train AI on it. It’s not worthless because although anyone can train their model on it, most companies would rather purchase the services from specialists, so all training data has value.
Things just don’t get buried the way they do on Reddit. On Reddit I often didn’t comment on something if it was slightly older because nobody would see my comment anyway. Here it’s a completely different story. Sometimes I still get replies after like a week.
By the users, for the users. Almost all they instance admins are just like everyone else. We just know some it infrastructure.
No censorship
I’ve been banned from one community here already.
What did you do?
That’s subjective, mods are censors. You can host your own though.
Technically you can create your own instance and post whatever you like, but if all the major instances defederate from you, it’s still a form of censorship.
But people can also choose their instance, and there are enough instances out there that it’s hard to force all of them to defederate.
I use lemmy.today as my home instance. They explicitly state in their instance policies that they want to avoid defederating with instances if possible, and so far, have no defederations. As long as there are instances like that out there, you cannot really muzzle someone.
Avoiding censorship doesn’t mean that people are required to consume content, just that they have the option to do so.
There are two major risks that I think do apply (though the Threadiverse is no more vulnerable to either than Reddit):
-
State censorship. Countries willing to, at the network level, ban instances or instances that federate with instances (and possibly also VPNs, though even without that, the bar to see a post is increased) can make it hard to see content. This happens, at least in part, today. One of the first discussions I was in was one where Ada, the instance admin on lemmy.blahaj.zone (transexual-oriented instance), was talking to some guy in a majority-Islamic, Middle Eastern country whose government had blocked access to lemmy.blahaj.zone at the network level. He could see posts by using a federated instance that they hadn’t blocked, but not images, since those were served directly from lemmy.blahaj.zone.
Right now, the Threadiverse is still small enough that it’ll fly under the radar of some governments. But as it grows and becomes more prominent, media becomes of more political interest to governments.
-
The potential for a Thresdiverse Cabal. It is possible for enough instance admins, banding together, to potentially form a cabal and to have significant influence over the system. In the past, this sort of thing has arisen on federated systems:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_Is_No_Cabal
There Is No Cabal (abbreviated TINC[1]) is a catchphrase and running joke found on Usenet.[2] The journalist Wendy M. Grossman writes that its appearance on the alt.usenet.cabal FAQ reflects conspiracy accusations as old as the Internet itself.[3] The anthropologist Gabriella Coleman writes that the joke reveals “discomfort over the potential for corruption by meritocratic leaders”.[2]
The phrase There Is No Cabal was developed to deny the existence of the backbone cabal, which members of the cabal denied. The cabal consisted of operators of major news server newsgroups, allowing them to wield greater control over Usenet.[4]
That being said, even the Usenet backbone cabal had limited control, and the Fediverse’s protocols are probably more-resistant. Usenet’s NNTP relied upon traffic flooding through the network over a set of fixed links. Esch NNTP server has at least one other NNTP server that they are connected to. That upstream server could block content or filter posts, and downstream wouldn’t see it. ActivityPub has every instance (potentially) talk to every other instance. I’m not sure that that won’t lead to scalability issues in the long term, but it also makes it hard for operators of major instances to control what other instances see.
-
I recognise usernames, so it feels like conversations between people are happening rather than just throwing stuff out there for it to be ignored.
Other thing is there are small communities with 1-2 mods so you know them and they aren’t usually “the superuser” that mods 10 different communities.
I don’t say there are none of them, just that it is usually small and you recognize the mod that just steer his small community.
When I joined reddit, it was at least a year—probably 3 years—before I was banned from a subreddit—r/AskReddit. I’ve been here little more than a year and I’ve not only been banned from a notable community here, but when I asked to be unbanned—once, then letting perhaps a few weeks pass, then twice—I got no reply.
(and I’m not going to ask a 3rd time, but will simply create a [community-I-was-banned-from]2.)
Was it hexbear/.ml?
What post/comment did you get banned for?
some I made in this post: “What is a woman?” https://lemmy.world/post/18941154
and a few of my comments there remain.
I was being a bit sarcastic about political correctness and transcritical—which on most of reddit and Lemmy seems to be transphobic.
I wouldn’t regard this parodist as a woman.
https://youtu.be/9olCMRbuR5I?t=5772 (long video, but this link is cued)
Lemmy is highly sensitive about transgender topics. We have a very high percentage of trans people, and thus mods tend to be quite zealous when protecting this space from transphobia. They may sometimes be overzealous, but that’s not the worst thing in the world.
I don’t think a permaban was necessary based on your comments. But I also don’t think you would be happy about making other Lemmings uncomfortable or driving them away from the platform because they feel unwelcome. Is it more important that we all perfectly agree on various semantic definitions, or that people feel welcome and able to connect and communicate with others on Lemmy?
I’m not criticizing you or anything like that because I don’t think you were trying to hurt anyone and I think the ban was excessive. But I’m just trying to help you see the situation from the other side and maybe approach the topic with a little more delicacy in the future.
We got instances, modlogs, third party apps, more community, open source, transparency, self hosting, decentralization, less corporate influence.
mods can suck, admins can suck, but you can go off and start your own instance, with blackjack and hookers.
I also like that I can see that someone is posting from hexbear, and I can disregard their comment. It saves time.
Same reason I joined here, plus most users on Reddit are just bots at least in here you can tell who’s a bot and who’s real and you can tell which comments to agree or disagree with and which to ignore based on the instance lol, it’s way easier and friendlier here tbh I was banned for violent comments on Reddit mainly because the hive mind there are mostly removed but in here I can say Fuck Reddit, it was good once before the coronavirus now it’s just a piece of shit.
I was banned for violent comments on Reddit
punches Chaos
Yeah! Violence rules!
It would not surprise me to find out 50%+ of Reddit activity is bots at this point
Yeah the instancing makes malicious users much harder to come by, and easy to his for sure.
Shitters often self segregate. The Donald or FatPeopleHate would get run out of existing instances, start their own, then go to defed hell. Contrast with reddit where they were allowed to fester in the name of “valuable conversation”
When you post a comment it shows up whether it is a new or old account instead of having to meet some karma requirement. Also third party apps are very nice over being pushed to use some bloated ad filled official app.
One thing I love here is how I can disagree with someone and still have a civil discussion. It feels weirldy amazing to reach a consensus instead of just getting stuck in a cycle of unrelated personal insults. Sure, shitheads like that do still exist here, but I don’t remember ever having a civil disagreement/argument on Reddit.
I also feel that I’ve embraced the practice of blocking & moving on a lot more after I moved here, and tried my best to be more constructive.
In general, people are more willing to call out misinformation and present nuanced takes. I much prefer that. Reddit has recently become a cesspit of ragebait and misinformation.
