Is ‘Harris for President’ directly connected to her? Or is it just an independent group?
It’s her campaign team.
Good to know!
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It’s gonna be interesting to watch Republicans turn on each other in the resulting power vacuum in their party.
Unless they all coalesce around a younger, more smarter man with Trumps ideals.
Hate to be picky but that isn’t a Harris statement, it’s a statement by an official of her campaign. Not that that she (and I) wouldn’t agree
This is exactly the energy I want! Take him to task!
VOTE!
Let’s go Kamala
Yea, the more shit Trump says like this, the more money I send to Kamala’s campaign.
I dunno, guys.
I feel like we pretty much nailed the ending of Democracy when the Democrats argued in court that they’re a private corporation and don’t have to honor primaries.
What we have isn’t a democracy.
Man, how fun must it be to log into the internet dot com and try to convince those that you agree 95% with not to vote against the people you disagree 95% with, or throw their vote away.
At this point I’m just honestly curious as to how badly the Democrats have to fail for you before you’ll consider voting differently.
But yes, it is a bummer that I’m stuck with the crummy decisions of 99% of American voters.
Who should I vote for?
A. The person who says his supporters won’t have to vote anymore after he’s in office and also shares none of my political views
B. A boring liberal who has a decent left-leaning senate voting record and shares most of my political views
C. Someone who has absolutely zero chance of winning
You, an utterly deranged person: I better vote for C so that A wins. That’ll teach person B!
(Did Democrats change in the way you wanted them to when Ralph Nader pulled juuuust enough votes away from Gore in 2000 to hand things over to the Bushes again? Or when Jill Stein helped steer voters away from Hilary in 2016? No? Huh, well, let’s just try again, forever, and have nothing to show for it except conservative wins. Unless that was entirely the point?)
40 years of your reasoning is why we’re on the brink of fascism.
You want change? You have to vote for something different. It’s that simple.
And a bunch of dipshits like you are going to be the reason the fascists get into office.
What’s going to get the fascists into office is the fact that tens of millions of Americans can’t afford to miss a day of work, and Biden didn’t do anything to change that.
Me and my Green Party vote have nothing to do with it. We Greens are powerless.
You could try not constantly attempting to convince people likely to vote democrat to not vote, or vote for a 0% chance candidate. Nader. Stein. If they didn’t do what they did, we wouldn’t have had a Bush 2 or Trump administration.
Me and my Green Party vote have nothing to do with it.
Except for you trying to con people into helping billionaires get gigantic GOP tax cuts and destroy democracy.
Locally.
2/3 of the US states are controlled by conservatives and fascists.
It is a very big deal that the Democrats at the federal level accomplish nothing.
You want change? You have to vote for something different. It’s that simple.
Hell no we do not want neofascist changes Ivan. That’s what completely fucked up all of Russia. Why the hell would we want the “change” of losing democracy and the rule of law? LMFAO There is an excellent reason why Bernie went thru the Dem party. Because he’s not an idiot.
why we’re on the brink of fascism.
You and Treason Trump and War Criminal Putin are the reason.
What we have isn’t a democracy.
It’s more democratic than it used to be. They used to not even have primaries.
So imperfect that we may as well throw the whole thing out then!
I picture you typing this comment with a smirk and then taking a sip of coffee. Then to yourself you utter, “Hah! Got 'em”, before you hit the save button.
Are you saying you don’t think that court case was relevant?
Of course the court case is not relevant. Why the f*ck would it be? We always knew that the Dem and GOP parties are non government organizations with the power to alter their own charters.
What matters is what the charter actually says. That is the only document that is relevent.
https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/DNC-Charter-Bylaws-03.12.2022.pdf
Section 4. The delegates shall be chosen through processes which: (a) assure all Democratic voters full, timely and equal opportunity to participate and include affirmative action programs toward that end, (b) assure that delegations fairly reflect the division of preferences expressed by those who participate in the Presidential nominating process
Some of the responses to your comment are some of the most braindead, conversation killing, stereotypically lib bullshit I’ve seen in awhile.
True. These are the people who vote for whoever MSNBC tells them to and have zero introspection on their own personal politics.
What I find to be bizarre as an outsider is the attitude in United States politics that there are only two parties and since one is clearly pretty evil, the other one must the good party and therefore can’t be criticized. All this “fuck your ‘but both sides’ hurdy hurrrrr” shite the American liberals spew.
Do they not realize both parties are awful? One is quite a bit less awful, but it’s still awful compared to any parties actually left of center or if just looked at objectively. If the United States had a third party who adhered to the politics of Bernie Sanders, there would be no question it would be superior to the Democrats. But they don’t, so many people consider the Democrats beyond reproach.
What is wrong with all of them?
One is quite a bit less awful
In a First Past the Post system this is the only party worth voting for. Many leftists advocate and donate for progressive causes but when it comes to election time there is no other sane alternative.
In a First Past the Post system this is the only party worth voting for.
Yep and nobody alive today designed this system we all inherited it same as everyone. And if you ignore this system you simply guarantee yourself to being a lifetime loser.
I agree completely, first past the post is sheer idiocy and leads to dilemmas like what we’re seeing now.
What I don’t understand is this nigh worship of the Democratic party, where some adherents won’t countenance the slightest criticism of their “team”. One can still vote for the less bad party AND hold them accountable for their actions.
adhered to the politics of Bernie Sanders,
Would that be the same Bernie Sanders that endorses the Dem candidate and is disgusted by your attempts to fool people into helping billionaires get gigantic GOP tax cuts and overthrow democracy?
and is disgusted by your attempts to fool people into helping billionaires get gigantic GOP tax cuts and overthrow democracy?
By my attempts? I don’t live in your shit hole joke of a country. We have more than two political parties. I can make statements criticizing or about wanting more from my preferred party without other supporters coming back with absolutely ridiculous, smooth brained comments like yours. You can’t even criticize my actual stated beliefs in my comments, you have to fabricate your little strawman first.
Fucking Americans. Just the smallest, most immature minds and worldviews you can imagine, yet you oversized toddlers collectively command so much of the world’s power.
Edit: holy hell your post history is a dumpster fire of delusion. “Everyone who disagrees with me is a Russian troll!” I can’t even imagine being the kind of person who requires that as a coping mechanism. I’m blocking you before reading any more of your comments makes me stupider.
Man. Get off your ‘enlightened centrist’ high horse.
I am not a centrist. I’m a Democratic Socialist.
Anyone who who is still both sidesing in 2024 either has no idea what policies have passed or is doing it in bad faith.
The fact that you also pontificate from your high horse “how can they not see” while seemingly being totally unaware is peak Dunning-Kruger.
BotH sIdES
Eh… While Hilary and her shills definitely rigged that primary, it took her 8 solid years to get her people into all the positions of power throughout the DNC and state Dem parties so they could shove her down our throats… I don’t think her minion infrastructure is still in place like it was then… And I think it was more her controlling the party that made the party undemocratic, than about the party itself actually being fully undemocratic.
it took her 8 solid years to get her people
She doesn’t have any people. There is a complete changeover of delegates every 4 years. The 2020 delegates and the 2024 delegates were Biden’s people.
than about the party itself actually being fully undemocratic.
Here in America reality matters. The Party Charter completely contradicts your Trumpian level of lies. Nice try Ivan.
https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/DNC-Charter-Bylaws-03.12.2022.pdf
Section 4. The delegates shall be chosen through processes which: (a) assure all Democratic voters full, timely and equal opportunity to participate and include affirmative action programs toward that end, (b) assure that delegations fairly reflect the division of preferences expressed by those who participate in the Presidential nominating process
I wasn’t talking about delegates. I was talking about state and national party leadership. For example: Debbie Wasserman Schultz
I don’t know that I agree.
These DNC insiders, more than most, have had a front-row seat for the very public cognitive decline that Joe Biden has displayed over the last 2-3 years, and they crowned him anyway. If he hadn’t had that very public break on national television, things would be very different now. They couldn’t stage manage his brain melting.
I think they want a useful idiot president they can maneuver around the board every bit as much as the Trump’s handlers do.
Will you stop with the nonsense? What your own link says is that they argued in court that they are a non government entity and as such has the power to alter their own charter if they wish. This is technically true and true for the RNC as well because they are not government organizations. But if they altered the charter we would see that it is altered.
[“The court would have to basically tell the party that it couldn’t change [the neutrality rule], even though it’s a discretionary rule that it didn’t need to adopt to begin with.”]
https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/DNC-Charter-Bylaws-03.12.2022.pdf
The charter guarantees that the delegates “fairly reflect” the will of the voters:
Section 4. The delegates shall be chosen through processes which: (a) assure all Democratic voters full, timely and equal opportunity to participate and include affirmative action programs toward that end, (b) assure that delegations fairly reflect the division of preferences expressed by those who participate in the Presidential nominating process
The charter says any proposed changes would have to be released to the national news media 30 days before voting.
Section 1. This Charter may be amended by a vote of a majority of all of the delegates to the National Convention, provided that no such amendment shall be effective unless and until it is subsequently ratified by a vote of the majority of the entire membership of the Democratic National Committee. This Charter may also be amended by a vote of two-thirds of the entire membership of the Democratic National Committee. At least thirty days written notice shall be given of any National Committee meeting at which action will be taken pursuant to this Section, and any proposed amendment shall be given to all members of the National Committee and shall be released to the national news media.
The democratic party IS a private entity. You are welcome to run anyone you want.
We had a primary: Biden/Kamala made the pick. We have less than 100 days to election day. No one is going to set up staff and offices in that time.
You are so transparent it’s not even funny any more.
You are so transparent it’s not even funny any more.
I don’t know where you’ve been the last 40 years, but none of this is funny to me. I have eight year-old parents borrowing my car right now to work for DoorDash, because they have no other options in Biden’s America.
And what’s worse is you’re not too far from that yourself and you’re voting for it, assuming you’re someone who works for a wage.
but none of this is funny to me.
It’s funny to us that you didn’t know what the court case was about (the party being a non government entity) and you didn’t know what the DNC charter says (guarantees that candidates reflect the will of the primary voters).
because they have no other options in Biden’s America.
Well then you shouldn’t be trying to fool people into helping billionaires get a gigantic GOP tax cut. Again.
I have eight year-old parents
WTF this is bad even for Kremlin trolls.
Username checks out.
You didn’t address anything I wrote. I’ll repeat it in case:
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Primary picked Biden/Harris on the ticket.
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Less than 100 days to election day.
The economy is not the presidents fault - they are not God. This is a long process that has been devolving over many years. It’s a cop-out to pin it on a party or president. I wouldn’t say Trump destroyed the economy either, but he did give the biggest tax breaks to the upper echelon of society so the rich made out like bandits while the poor continue to foot the bill. At least democrats are on the side of labor. They are the only ones pushing for social security and protections for labor. Not Republicans and big business.
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Blue maga out here being mad at you lol. According to them any criticism of the dems, no matter how valid, is encouraging people not to vote.
Yup.
Next they’re gonna say we’re Russian trolls. Libs gonna lib.
(And by lib I mean people who legitimately find the majority of Democrat politicians exciting)
Where was this posted? I want to be able to open the blue links! I just searched for it and found nothing. There’s nothing in the official Whitehouse.gov Briefing Room page. There’s nothing on Twitter from her official account (and shame on you for making me go to that shithole to look!)
I had the same question. Apparently it was an email newsletter sent via the campaign website, “take action” section.
Links in order
Previously said https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-bloodbath-loses-election-2024-rcna143746
Termination https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
A lot of people like https://time.com/6972022/donald-trump-transcript-2024-election/
Dictator day one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX0iAmz9iLM
Watch https://x.com/Acyn/status/1817007890496102490
Vowed to end democracy https://x.com/Acyn/status/1817007890496102490
Campaign material like this would not be on Whitehouse.gov
It’s weird that I knew all this but it’s way more chilling to have Harris’ campaign tell us.
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No. To me it’s because no other campaign going against Trump acknowledged any of trumps treasonous rhetoric and acted like it was just some silly goof they were going against. For 8 years they let this man lie and fire up a base and make every problem the American is facing the lefts fault. The news media ate it and doubled down. Now half of the Republicans thinks democrats are children eating demons and that they are the enemy destroying America. It didn’t help that Biden’s campaign was “I’m not the other guy” without bringing any substantive relief. Harris coming with receipts and bringing up the straight up treason from Trump’s campaign is what needed to be happening day 1. Kamala’s policy is going to be important, but right now the biggest danger to America’s future isn’t student debt relief or universal Healthcare. It’s fascism. And we’re there at fascism. The nazi party isn’t going away. Burn it down, bring up how it does not belong in America, pacify the people by giving them substance to live and not be forced to raise a family in debt from grocery shopping.
They’ve realized that ignoring the face-eating-leopard doesn’t work. Neither does giving it pets and the occasional soy-face.
Why do you guys trust these people that just are using things out of context?
What was the context?
We have four entire years of context. Trump isn’t an unknown quantity by any stretch. We know what he wants to do, even if he wasn’t saying these things.
We have years of them writing bullshit headlines, why do you trust them when they lie over and over?
Have you ever been on a campaign mailing list?
I have gotten mail from campaigns. So I think we agree that they lie to us constantly, why would you believe this thing from harris? And a better question to ask would be why you should just accept her as your candidate when no one really voted for her.
Convicted Felon and Sex Offender Treason Trump sent a mob to overthrow our democracy in a coup attempt. Wanting to become a dictator and end free elections fits in perfectly with absolutely everything we know about Treason Trump’s character. We would be total idiots to ignore Trump saying this shit. If you don’t like it then don’t tell us, tell Treason Trump not to keep saying the neofascist shit in his head.
Yeah I get it, you have memorized the talking points, why do you believe the people that gave you them when they keep lying to you?
Can you provide any context in which “Don’t worry, you won’t need to vote anymore” is not horrifically treasonous?
Not real context, but I imagine the mental gymantics are going: it will be such a tremendous presidency, incredibly great, really, that nobody will ever vote non-republican again. You won’t need to vote anymore. Everyone else will do it for you.
Seriously? That doesnt remotely float.
The context was that he is going to do such an amazing job that voting wont be important because things are so good. I get its silly, which it was probably meant to be, but obviously he was not claiming he was going to be dictator. Why would you believe he would claim that?
Probably because he has literally claimed he will be a dictator (for one day only, wink wink). And probably because he actually attempted, in a number of illegal ways, to not count the last election so he could remain in power. You know, like a dictator.
Look, if this was literally anybody else I’d be willing to use a more charitable interpretation. Call it a gaffe at least. But Trump should have burned every last ounce of benefit of the doubt that anybody has for him the moment he abandoned his colleagues in the Capitol so he could see what the violent mob would do.
We spent the entire 2020 election going “Oh Trump doesn’t really mean it like that.” Until he did exactly what he fucking said he would do. Why are we doing this again?
The issue is that literally every single thing that you guys use is misleading or a direct lie when it comes to trumps rhetoric. And you guys believe this because the media repeats these lies over and over. “No I am thinking for myself”. No you are not, its obvious because the lies they are telling, you repeat exactly the same. Why do you believe these people when they keep lying to you?
Why do you believe Trump when he keeps lying to you? The eagerness to trust the explanation given to you by a literal convicted felon fraudster is astounding.
I dont believe trump… Why do you believe these people when they keep lying to you? If you had a friend that always lied would you believe them when they told you something?
Bud, you’re literally parroting Trump’s faux-naive explanation on what his words meant. But ok.
Feel free to address anything in my post with substance. Tell me that it’s a lie that Trump said he’d be a dictator “for just a day.” Or that he actually didn’t try in multiple illegal ways to overturn the election. Or that he didn’t spend hours doing nothing while his colleagues begged him to stop the assault on the Capitol.
If I’m repeating lies, go on. Show me.
Why do you believe these people when they keep lying to you?
We don’t believe you when you keep lying to us Ivan.
Oh god I’m gonna love to see this pretzel get made.
What exactly is out of context here?
If I understand it right (I only read a comment claiming this he says that specifically for/to Christians that don’t normally vote, trying to convince them to vote this one time. I keep planning to confirm this but have not taken the time to do so yet.
Anyone have a link to this speech or his?
That is the case, yes. And still, it changes nothing. He is still suggesting that if Christians go out and vote this year, they won’t have to ever again because, and these are his words, “it’ll be fixed.”
There is no context in which this isn’t antidemocratic.
Trump is an absolute POS, but if you look at the full speech, this seems to be what the actual speech was about. Getting them to vote just this one time.
But he’s running for president and words matter. Good for dems to press him on that
Just a reminder when you see bad faith shit like this, report and block.
Where did you find this statement OP?
I’ll tell you all a secret:
Win this for us all and we can do almost the same thing. In four years we could make voting easier. We could collectively push to end gerrymandering and implement a fair and true foundation for a stronger and better system. If Trump and his cronies truly believe they can take down everything that has been built, I bet we can begin building a better tomorrow through the action of each of us as individuals, working together towards a more positive future.
Let’s pay to deliver our future and not get robbed to repeat the past.
Yeah, but don’t stop at Trump. Get the fuckers out of the House/Senate too. Vote against Trump-lite mayors, , councils, and civil positions. This doesn’t mean always vote D, but stop letting insane candidates win via voter apathy, whatever the riding.
Where you can, make a difference yourself. Run for HOA, school board, etc yourselves and get the power-tripping fucktards out.
I bet we can begin building a better tomorrow through the action of each of us as individuals
I’ll bet we can do it by working together as groups.
…working together towards a more positive future.
See? Teamwork!
No OP, but yes, volunteer and get involved too!
Here’s one site to find volunteer opportunities around you (for campaign work and also things like climate action there)
Also love that she’s factually calling him out as a criminal.
I was hoping for ‘convicted felon’, but I’ll take what I can get.
He’s just going to call her “lyin’” or “crooked” or something like that, so she might as well call him what he is…a criminal.
It’s that kind of tit-for-tat that you wouldn’t get from Joe Biden, who was worried about looking polite and respectable. It just wound up making him look weak.
I think the most streamlined nickname the lab-coat wearing neurons in his swollen, cancerous amygdala could come up with is “laffin’” and he had to fucking explain to the sheep he’s trying to herd to he wanted it spelled.
Flailing. Bigly.
I think he wants to make sure his followers use the correct “urban” spelling to help the dog whistle spread.
I’m sure Republicans are all going on about how he’s “just joking”. Sure, that obviously was a joke but it’s not like conservatives don’t want exactly this – they always hide behind “it was just a joke maaaannn” when the heinous shit they say causes a negative reaction
It wasn’t a joke, which we know because they doubled down after failing the 2020 electiom coup.
Yes, they hide behind joking when they say heinous shit like mocking the military or the disabled. They also hide behind it when when they are open about wanting a dictatorship.
Yes this is exactly what I meant. It was said in a manner that they can just claim it was a joke, even when it’s clearly not
“it’s just a joke man… unless you’re cool with it. In which case yeah we’re totally serious”
Kinda like joking about having a threesome with your significant other.
“I’m just Kiddin’ like Jason… unless you gon’ do it.”
-Cornell Haynes, Jr. (2002)Yup, “haha only joking. Unless…?”
Refute anyone that says that “he’s joking.” He’s not.
Their interpretation is that he was trying to motivate a bunch of old Christians to come out and vote for him so he can fix all the problems with America, and then they can go back to not voting because it’ll all be fixed.
Ah right, that does sort of make sense
Thanks for sharing this interpretation. Assuming for a moment that was his actual intent in saying that (I watched the clip several times and I simply could not decipher his actual intent), I would suggest that it should still be essentially campaign-ending to say something so closely resembling a call for the end of elections once you are elected. People should be so repulsed by the idea that it makes all candidates feel obliged to speak carefully and clearly enough to avoid even the insinuation of saying such things.
People are always trying to make excuses for Sex Offender Trump and they are always wrong. He actual intent is (1) to appeal to the neofascist movement and (2) to force you to pay attention to him like an abusive spouse. If elected Sex Offender Trump will say shit like that every single day to make you pay attention to him and it will continually escalate throughout his 4 years to try to condition people to let him stay in power.
Christians voting for Trump…sigh.
Look, I’m atheist. But…if you’re claiming to be Christian and voting for Trump, what exactly are you worshiping?
Bigotry.
Moloch
It doesn’t help that Trump’s speeches are full of semi-coherent rambling and tangential sentence fragments, and that his entire style has always been to speak entirely in ridiculous hyperbole. It makes it easier for people to interpret statements in whatever way best fits their point of view, because you just get used to filling in the context and reducing his absurd claims down to a vague generality.
I’m sure Trump defenders will argue that he was saying “you won’t have to vote” only meant that the next election won’t have such high stakes because Trump will fix America’s problems and yada yada yada.
I’m sure Trump defenders will argue that he was saying “you won’t have to vote” only meant that the next election won’t have such high stakes because Trump will fix America’s problems and yada yada yada.
I despise the guy but I’m not sure how to say this without sounding like I support him…I honestly think this IS what I think he meant. The dude can’t put together coherent sentences. Words just kind of fall out of his mouth.
With that said, eliminating elections is definitely what his puppet masters want so it’s kind of a moot point. This is their long game and Trump is just a piece of the puzzle.
He wanted to be a “day-one dictator.” I think you may be a bit too charitable here.
Maybe. He is not a smart man.
I think this is dangerous. He may not be articulate, he may not be good at math, but the man is smart when it comes to working a crowd. He has done enough to become president once and I don’t think a stupid man would fumble his way there.
He’s smart, even if I hate to admit it. To pretend he isn’t means we aren’t taking him as seriously as we should.
I honestly think this IS what I think he meant.
Never get inside a conservative’s mind if you come out with a loser defeatism attitude. He might try to claim that as his fall back cover story when a journalist presses him on it, but it’s not what he meant at all. The most generous interpretation is “I don’t care who wins after me because I just want to win to stay out of jail”. The most likely interpretation is "Pay attention to me. Pay attention to me. Pay attention to me. " If he wins he will be saying shit like that every single day for 4 years like an abusive spouse just for the attention. But he absolutely will try to end democratic elections if he think he can get away with it.
“He’s just joking”
Uhhh, Maybe we shouldn’t have a joker as president?? Maybe vagueness is bad???
Unfunny Donald
Tom Cotton already said “he’s joking”
You can set your watch to this shit
