Mine is they shouldn’t have made the sequel series without George as a consultant.
My take on Star Wars is that it is about as bad as SciFi can get. It is a Grimm fairy tale from someone who has read Dune without understanding it and the skills to pull it through.
It should have stopped after the OT.
I was so invested in the OT… and no more movies came, so I accepted there wouldn’t be more movies.
As such when they came out and were shitty, I didn’t mind as much.
That’s made it easier for me to dip in and enjoy some of the new content. I’m not expecting it to be good, and can be surprised when it is.
Yeah, but it’s kind of like having a park where you used to play as a kid, but then people start dumping garbage there, and trashing the playground, and leaving cigarette-butts and needles in the grass. Maybe you can find a little corner where you can remember how it used to be, but then you see the rest of it.
One was enough
Mine is they shouldn’t have made the sequel series without
George as a consultanta planThat’s not a hot take at all.
Beat me to it.
Honestly, saw the first one, and that was enough to not see the rest.
It’s the stereotypical “tell the rest of the story” lame crap today.
And plan = “Thrawn Trilogy”.
They couldn’t, they already established that Space Whales hard counter Thrawn.
Or Rogue Squadron. Or hell, basically anything from the extended lore that isn’t about the Vong or the corellia trilogy.
It really did seem like they were just making stuff up as they went 😂
My hot take on the sequels is that the first one was a decent start, and they screwed up the whole plot from there. It had some issues mainly in dropping subplots, probably because what was intended to be followed up wasn’t thanks to different plots and directors.
The prequels should have started with the Clone Wars, covering more of Anakin and Obi-Wan’s relationship, with an occasional flashback to the earlier Anakin to fill in his past. Being a fan from the early years, I didn’t like the prequels that much initially, but the story grew on me after watching them a few more times later along with fan commentary over the years. What I do still think they suffer from is making Anakin’s fall too sudden, and if we got a better sense of how much he and Obi-Wan were brothers in spirit, the eventual fall would mean more. There would also be more room to develop the friction he observes with the Jedi Council, maybe even take things to a new level in why they don’t let him progress. I guess I basically see TPM as a wasted first part to better establish his character.
Watching the animated Clone Wars series makes the gap between 2 and 3 more palatable. You see Anakin grow in the force, but also see the darkness simmering. It also shows the cracks in the Jedi order and lays the groundwork for doubt in their unimpeachable wisdom.
Like, if you just watch the movies, Yoda is basically Muppet Jesus. Anakin seems like a petulant child refusing to eat his vegetables and jumps right to murdering children. If you watch the series, it colors in all the shades of gray.
Rogue One has the best score. It drives the movie like a madman. It’s amazing that it’s only one NOT done by John Williams. But I think they took what he created and built a masterpiece.
Rogue One and Andor are the only watchable things that have come out in the last few years.
Judging from the replies, people don’t like Star Wars, they like space opera as a genre. Wonder what would have happened if George Lucas adapted H.P. Beam’s “Space Viking” instead.
For someone who wanted to make Star Wars as “inclusive” as possible, Kathleen Kennedy neglected so many opportunities. For starters, we only ever saw one Star Wars character with any disability, and they used it to portray his villainy. No poly characters, no varying religious communities, heck they didn’t even have any relationships between droids and organic life forms despite the Dr. Aphra comics trying to make it clear the Star Wars universe doesn’t have our level of standards for what counts as an expected relationship. It’s almost as if they weren’t trying to be inclusive, just populist.
Luke and Vader are both amputees
Those are injuries though. I mean like an actual medical condition, something like “that character has autism” or “this one has asthma”. We only had one character with a medical condition that was something that wasn’t an amputee, the guy from Rogue One who takes off his breathing mask to take his last breath right before he was about to die. They portrayed it as a dramatic extension of his villainy. “Diversity” in Star Wars is incredibly disappointing.
Missing an extremity is an actual medical condition… I get your point about other kinds of conditions that are congenital or otherwise not directly due to physical harm. PTSD would be a good example of what could have been included in that case as well (this might actually exist in some form from disney). With how poorly so much of it was handled, it’s probably for the best that they didn’t try to tackle autism or Downs syndrome at the same time though.
Gatekeeping amputees as not counting as people with disabilities is actually the hottest take in this whole thread, and not in a good way lmao
I mean yeah, they’re disabilities in the sense that they’re a condition one ends up with that challenges them in some way, but it’s not something “wrong” with a way their body works, it’s just a type of damage someone can receive. They’re also arguably rather excessively easy to use as a stock disability from a storytelling perspective. Imagine if you were making a story and were compelled to give some characters some medical conditions to add to the depth of the story, and you thought “meh, we can just remove a bunch of their limbs”. Or to put it another way, unless the person is a Cyanide and Happiness character, nobody is going to write a biography in their elderly years titled “My Life As A Guy With One Hand” so as much as someone might write one titled “Life As An ADHD Person”.
I have the same semi-complaints (not really complaints per se) about Pokémon. There was one single blind character-of-the-day in the original season (because he was old), the manga version of Bryce was wheelchair-bound (kind of inevitable though for him), and the remake version of Wally was hinted to have asthma, but for two and a half decades of journeying around the world, there was never someone mainstream who popped up who had some kind of uniquely driven medical trait, which after so long doesn’t make you complain but makes you wonder if they’re avoiding it.
Every discussion about the fall of the Jedi and the Republic proves that Star Wars fans don’t know shit about Star Wars.
I’m curious for your reasoning behind this. Is this lack of knowledge outside of the movies/disney meta? Lack of knowledge about the writing behind it? Do you know shit about Star Wars instead? I’m actually curious what you mean because so many fans know so many different fragments of an almost unattainably large lore space that you sound incredibly wrong and right at the same time.
Leaving aside the Euro/Christocentric opinions on the Jedi’s spiritual philosophy in regards to their “failure to stop the Sith,” anyone that has even a casual understanding of the background should be aware of three things:
1: The Jedi won in the end. How are you going to complain about them not batting a perfect game when they still won?
2: Republic/Jedi history spans millennia. They kept a galactic republic composed of THOUSANDS of species functional while serving as spiritual/political/military leadership. It’s all fake history obviously, but in the conceit of the universe one failure doesn’t mean jack shit, they’re one of the most effective and altruistic organizations in fiction.
3: They don’t “kidnap kids” like half the smoothbrains on Reddit say! They’re, in fact, so adverse to kidnapping and violence they won’t even take a SLAVE CHILD from outside the Republic without consent! It’s a major plot point!
I love the idea Kylo Ren. Unhinged man child who worships Vader for all the wrong reasons. His soldiers are afraid of him and work around him and pity him. I love having such a broken villain.
I loved when Rey’s parents were nobodies.
I loved that Luke was a scared and broken. Should have felt crippling pity for that guard he force choked in a Jabba’s palace. Still. I loved it.
And while I’m at it. Frozen. I wanted so desperately for Hans to be entirely sympathetic and just not in love will Anna. Movie is mostly the same until Anna gets back and needs the kiss to fix her and he tries and… Nothing. Then. I dunno. Finish the movie some other way.
Bro did a 360 degree Ollie backflip with the Frozen commentary LMAO 🤣
My hot take, is that star wars pieces of media are only considered “good” if the viewer was too young to perceive the politics in the work when they first saw it. There are exceptions like rogue one/andor, but I think it mostly holds.
George Lucas’s writing in the OT was atrocious.
That’s not really a hot take, but an established fact. Even he admitted that the movie was saved in post production. Everybody has a story with an elaborate line that is an exposition dump and is so robotic it almost doesn’t make any sense.
“disney trilogy bad” is a cold take. its not a hot take if every nerd on the planet agrees.
anyways the last jedi is the only good movie in the sequel trilogy. the people who didnt like it would rather watch a correct movie than a good one.
The only good thing that came out of the prequels was the pod racing game on the Nintendo 64.
Now THIS is podracing!
they shouldn’t have made the sequel series without George as a consultant.
That is a lukewarm take at best.
My lukewarm take is that the original Star Wars should have been a one and done movie. Perhaps, a longer movie with some elements from Empire Strikes Back to wrap some storylines, but not more.
I never found the original trilogy to be that great or influential as it is made out to be. In my opinion, it does not fully deserve the level of reverence and importance it receives.
They shouldn’t have made the prequels. They were terrible and George fucked the legacy of Star Wars forever
I mean, dangling the concept of a moisture farming teen in front of us, and then dropping that entire cinematic arc in favour of some space wizard bullshit? Like, hello? Know your audience?
Hey snot
