Trump just needs to up his dictator game and threaten everyone involved, especially the leadership, with jail time or dishonorable discharge if they don’t shape up and goose-step properly.
I thought it was in unison but it certainly didn’t have the giant goose stepping.
Lol they’re pro military just to make Trump’s joint celebration with the military look bad
I am surprised at how many people do not get it. In military you cannot not comply with the orders, especially whan there is clearly nothing criminal with it. The guys doing sloppy marching is pretty much the only agency they have and the only way to protest and boycot that ridiculous parade.
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“They did in protest” is the funniest cope I have heard, ever I think.
i don’t give a shit either way but it makes far more sense that it was in protest than that all of those soldiers are too incompetent to march properly. insisting it must be incompetence because you want to think bad things about the us military is the real cope.
Or its simply that drill and parade are not really practiced outside of bootcamp because marching in lockstep requires quite some practice.
D&C is used daily by the US Army, to move personnel from point A to point B. During running. During inspections. During pass and reviews.
15 years out, and “9 to the front and 6 to the rear” is still drilled into my head. Even my “about face” is still solid, while needing some practice.
This depends a lot on your branch and unit. Many many people never do a pass and review or any type of inspection other than counting inventory. I disagree that marching skills are used during running, that’s freeform.
Anyone who has served longer than 3 years has done a pass and review.
Anyone who has been to a perm duty station has had a class A inspection.
Anyone who has ever served has marched daily, in formation, from point A to point B.
Double time is a marching speed, aka running, and you have to run in step.
Ok. I guess your perspective is correct and there is just one military that is all the same.
Tbf, if enough of them are bad at marching it doesn’t really matter how good the others are
It’s the entire discourse online, mostly stemming from veterans on social media. Literally saying the same as comment above you.
Yeah seppo veterans are rarely blindly patriotic and regularly offer genuine feedback for their country and its “servicepeople” (by this they only mean their boots).
I am hardly blindly patriotic, and I critique the US when is should be (Which is often).
Yes, this was a case of malicious compliance.
If you want to see evidence, here’s some normal soldiers (Not ceremonial guards) marching:
Malicious compliance
There was a brass band that was resposabal for playing to state visits. if a foreign visitor came who was not popular they would play the national anthem out of tune and out of time. The visitor would have to stand or salute while seeing there song be murdered infront of them.
In military you cannot not comply with the orders
What i find surprising is that even after making this claim you still believe these people are down to protest and boycot their superiors.
They defend our nation? How, and in what ways? Bonus points if you can describe it in : current era facts, non-hegemonic, and without using the word “preemptive strike”, and with action on our soil.
America has the best military in the world, that is the top thing we do right.
that does not make sense nor does it answer my question.
We have soft power (or at least we did) with a huge military and spy system to back that up. Do you want a class in military defense and offense? Putin had to use psy ops and put his own puppet in the white house to get what he wants, his military is crap. We protect our allies as well. So you’ll have to explain exactly what you’re asking and I’m sure people in this thread could answer. There are a lot of military people here.
the US military has a documented history of psyops and actions against its own. In addition to war crimes. Like all other nations, sure!!
Sure you can describe the US in relation to other militaries, but you cannot, in good faith, make the claim that it is right, honorable, or even efficient.
the US military has a documented history of psyops and actions against its own. In addition to war crimes. Like all other nations, sure!!
Sure you can describe the US in relation to other militaries, but you cannot, in good faith, make the claim that it is right, honorable, or even efficient.
What are you exactly asking? This is starting to seem like troll baiting. Since I’m in the discussion, it’s a little harder to just give you a break, but I am warning you. If you were speaking to someone else, you’d be out for a couple of days.
PTB
So, no answer will be good enough for you.
Incorrect.
The answer truly is that there is nothing good about the US gov or its military.
Like I said no answer is good enough for you, you had already made your mind up. Not a great way to engage in a conversation.
Tell that to the people who Bush helped with the aids program he built in Africa, or the people that Obama helped by taking that successful model and applying it to disease response (that trump fucking gutted).
Even Bush, a fucking awful president, still did a good thing with the government.
You’re just here to hate on the US.
He said nothing about “right, honorable or efficient.” He said we have a huge military/spy complex, and that gives soft and hard power as a nation. Hes right.
Some greasy idiot with a loaded shotgun walking into a grocery store also gains a lot of hard and soft power about his grocery store experience. It might be imbecilic power that has consequences, but its power.
Deterrent?
Listen, those golf courses ain’t gonna upkeep themselves.
Realistically, by way of being the political equivalent of a fleet-in-being.
Mostly, though, by way of ducking up anyone who looks like challenging our putative superiority.
so hegemony?
More or less. No bonus points for me, I guess.
It’s like in Catch-22 when Lieutenant Scheisskopf thinks that it’s in vogue to march with your arms barely moving, and no one knows any better.
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if by “defend our nation” he means “destabilizing foreign countries” then yeah, he is correct.
There is an argument to be made that they are defending American hegemony though Trump is fast eroding that in favor of the Chinese.
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Didn’t North Korean military slap US military with their dick on their faces for years? Isn’t that the reason a North Korea exists at all?
I was only in marching band. 25 years later, I promise I could still do it with zero practice. This was on purpose.
If you were in marching band, there’s a good possibility that you had more thorough training in marching than what’s given in basic training, especially if you went to competitions. Marching makes up like half the activity of marching band (it’s in the name). Marching is only one of a plethora of things that are taught during the few months of basic training, and once you’re out of basic, you may never have to march again.
I also think your expectations on how rhythmically-inclined the average person (or soldier) is might be on the high side based on your experience in an activity with a bunch of highly rhythmically-inclined people.
I was in army cadets for like 2 years about 17 years ago and could still do this with 0 effort and I have a very poor sense of rhythm.
Trust me, anyone that’s spent more than like an hour learning to march could still do it with ease decades later.
This isn’t true at all. Marching is really easy, especially when there’s music to March to. I did a bit of drill in basic, and we would get a bit of practice before something a lot smaller than this, and we would be ace in 20 minutes of practice. They are doing this on purpose.
They were “marching” to an instrumental of Fortunate Son. No way that’s marched at that cadence without being janky as fuck at best.
Amazing music choice. Very fitting. I wonder who came up with that.
That’s fair but they look shit and they should know how to fuxking March it’s not the changing of the guard it’s walking in time.
Also fortunate son while marching past amazing Trump they must have known
Marching makes up like half the activity of marching band
Marching makes up about 25% of daily life for a solider. We had PT formations, morning formation, weekend safety briefing formations, formations for training sessions, etc etc. If you have an element of troops, of any size, and they need to move from Point A to Point B, you’re marching there.
100% and I can’t imagine the effect of basic training and what you learned there being forgotten until long afterwards.
In the British army, even regular non-guardsman, infantry will usually parade into towns. They love a bit on pomp and ceremony. For example, even now regiments like the black watch regiment would be bagpipes bearing, marching in perfect unison into some place and then roll off to war.
They didn’t want to be there and their imo their COs didn’t want to kick off at them in front of the cameras.
So, the tweet isn’t entirely true; my experience in the army was that we very much did irregularly do marches together, even after basic training. Every few months or so the battallion or brigade leadership would get an idea about a ‘fun run’ or whatever, and the start of those is always a march together. It inevitably switched to running together, but there was definitely a quick refresher on walking in step together on a regular basis.
What the tweeter missed is that there’s tricks that every leadership command knows to do if they want a formation to look good.
If you wanted to put a military parade on that actually looked good you’d do a couple things prior to running it. You’d tell your various units to have a competition for who does it best, and you’d put up a basic-ass award for the winners and runners up. This ensures that any ladder climbers go out and find all the people who are actually good at this to put together a small super squad of people who actually know what they’re doing. You then have them compete, and you pick the units that did the best to lead your parade.
We actually did this in basic training; my drill sgts had a little demonstration where they put the people good at keeping time together and the people bad it together. It was damn impressive how much of a difference just doing that made. One or two bad marchers can ruin a whole formation with their lack of timing.
None of this was done; at best they practiced for pt for a couple weeks before the event, but even that is iffy. They likely didn’t bother to filter the parade members who can’t march out, and that’d be good enough to turn this into a herd instead of a formation.
This doesn’t rule out malicious compliance at all though; again, one or two bad marchees doing their best (or worst) job can completely throw off the timing of everybody behind and next to them. Same way as counting wrongly out loud can throw off someone trying to count up to 50.
put together a small super squad of people who actually know what they’re doing
From what I vaguely remember, you also want all the best marchers on the left most of the time, since you line up with the person on your left most of the time, and the very best at the front left. This was decades ago for me, but I know that there were tricks like that to make it look good.
The entire thing screamed humiliation display more than anything else. And the anything else was like a half assed shitty commercial for military equipment. They had actual soldiers playing dress up for no fucking reason while wasting a fuck ton of money the VA could’ve used. Just despicable all around.
Military is absurd. Ceremonial is the least destructive thing they can do I think.
Murica is just a puppet that rump has his arm up its ass
At least Trump seemed not to enjoy any of it, so hopefully we can put this whole stupid episode behind us, and move on to the next stupid episode.
The next episode will involve him using an Executive Order commanding the Mint to make a Presidential Crown or something.
Fuck do I need to add this to my bingo board?
- Trump wanted this for a decade
- They put on this ridiculous thing
- Trump isn’t pleased; obviously uncomfortable
Why the hell did they do this then?
He didn’t want it because he thought he would personally enjoy it, he wanted it because he thought it would make him look badass to the other dictators he’s always trying so hard to impress and emulate.
A timeline where saying, “you’re no Kim Jong Un” is an insult.
During his previous term, I recall Trump and Kim Jon Un getting into a little spat (before they got buddy-buddy)…and Kim Jong Un came out of it looking like the sane one.
