I’de love to see a bit more discussions about Linux.
Lol fuck off.
Right? People hardly mention Linux 'round here lol
Seriously, I don’t even know who that guy is
Tim Linux. He’s a good guy.
I’d love people on Limmy would quit posting links to Reddit.
I’d love people on Reddit would start posting links to Lemmy
Didn’t mods/admins throw bans at people doing that? I don’t recall because I’ve not been on Reddit for a good while.
You actually get downvoted anyway
Personally I’d like to change the fact that every memes comment section is just serious conversation. Where’s the whimsy, where’s the tomfoolery folks
It’s time to be silly then :3
Be the silliness you want to see in the world. Start a pun thread or a switcharoo or all the things that used to make the old place fun. Lots of people will take that bait and run with it.
Thats what me and my 7 alts do
And those 7 alts has different password right? Right?
Yeah. I’ve seen so many rabidly political responses to memes. Lighten up folks!
Might be a hot take, but Lemmy Culture is good, actually. It isn’t homogenous, instances have unique cultures that might fit your needs and interests better.
I wouldn’t change that, federation and defederation does bring drama, but it also brings really cool micro communities.
the absolute best thing on Lemmy is seeing someone complain about an instance that your insurance defederates from
Lemmy.ml does have both advantages and disadvantages being federated with almost every major server, for sure.
what are the disadvantages?
Not a fan of the takes the average visitor from more right-wing instances brings, sometimes it’s nice to deliberately pick a smaller instance with like-minded people.
Social media becomes less addicting and less debatebro-ey.
i don’t like seeing it either, but cocooning yourself into an echo chamber doesn’t help thing at all.
I disagree, actually. I never have productive conversations regarding Marxism, for example, with liberals. Opinions being diverse does not necessarily mean they add value to conversations.
Still, I have multiple accounts of the same name, I use when I want to talk to different people.
i never expect the conversations to be productive, especially with liberals; but i don’t find that the discourse forces me to re-evaluate my views and it usually strengthens them.
I like that it is more inclusive than the DUMBster fire that is reddit.
While it is very left leaning, because the entire world is left leaning, other views so get presented and debated (and downvoted), but they are not filtered out and insta-permabanned. It is way more engaging.
other views so get presented and debated (and downvoted), but they are not filtered out and insta-permabanned. It is way more engaging.
this is my favorite quality of the lemmyverse; you’re not required to follow the groupthink out of fear of being banned and the plethora of viewpoints guarantees that groupthink isn’t as powerful as it is on reddit or twitter.
It’s important that the discourse is visible and thoughtfully debated (as possible).
you’ll be lucky to get thoughtful debate in this country; our discourse is devolved into looking for a chance to dunk on the other person to enrage them enough to quit. the trick to getting anything out of it is to keep your cool.
Outside of a select couple instances where even mentioning an opposing view without disgust and insults results in furious down voting, reporting, and a ban lol.
Americans assuming everyone else is from America and knows everything about America.
Reverse for me.
Talking about an American politician.
In a thread about American politics.
In a community about American politics.
On an American instance.
Cue 200 “UGH WHY IS EVERYTHING SO AMERICA CENTRIC WHY AREN’T YOU TALKING ABOUT EEEEUUUUUURRRRROOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPE” butthurt comments.
Why did you name your instance .world?! 😭
Or just the random snarky shit they think is so clever.
“America, are you okay?” for the 500th time is not clever, just like it wasn’t the first couple hundred times it’s been posted.
Yeah, it’s contextually appropriate most of the time. I doubt there are many American users posting American politically specific ideas on posts about non-american politics.
The only real validity to this complaint would be an overabundance of posts regarding American politics; to which I would say, down vote those and post your own. I, for one, promise not to be upset.
I make sure to list any weights and measures in both US and metric.
I also try to include a fair amount of content focused on other parts of the world.
Lemmy is small enough that even though I’m guessing it is majority US, that it is likely less US-centric than most social media. It’s just good to have some stuff for everyone, and I know I like to learn about things outside my country, so I want non-US focused content myself on a regular basis.
Regarding weights and measures:
I don’t think in metric, and there’s a strong possibility that I never will. I came of age in an educational system that taught metric units alongside imperial, but also in a day-to-day world that heavily skews towards imperial units.
If I see metric units that I can’t immediately interpret in my head, it’s absolutely trivial for me to get the conversion by other means. It’s equally as trivial for someone who uses metric to make the opposite conversion.
Anyone losing their shit about it is acting performatively.
I don’t put the conversions in my comments, usually because I don’t even post measurements in my comments, but if I did and got a reply asking for it, I’d tell them to go ask Google.
The triviality is what makes me just do it myself. If I’m the one sharing something to a global audience, it makes more sense for me to do it once than to have everyone else go do it if they need to.
I was talking in another thread today, possibly one in response to this one, or at least one similar, and I basically said I want Lemmy to succeed, and my content is easy to source, but getting regular visitors and commenters is the hard part, so I’m willing to do a little pampering to positively reinforce my “guests,” especially at this stage of the game. It’s just some extra consideration, to show people I’m being thoughtful of them, and to make it feel like a place they can come to get facts without having to google them all the time.
My big issue with Lemmy at the moment is I think we’re testing what level of civility we’re willing to give to and to tolerate from others, and I don’t see as many commenters being helpful to each other and I feel mods are scared to steer conversations back to more polite conduct due to the overbearing rep of Reddit mods. So I’m just trying to be the example of what I want to see. That’s the real thing I’m looking to provide. The unit conversion is just a slice of that you could say.
I still have people downvote over nothing or make smartass comments occasionally, but I can’t prevent it all. I’ll do what I can though to make things pleasant and positive for who I can.
I agree with all you’ve said, and I tend to add both systems when expressing a meaningful measurement. My statement is pointed more towards situations where someone hasn’t done so and it throws some poor soul into a meltdown.
Yes, it is a strange thing to make a fuss over.
The one that gets me is when people complain about paywalled articles. I agree it doesn’t make sense to share one, but this is a tech savvy group here, and I kinda expect 95% of people to know how to deal with that by now. Even mainstream sites have shared how to get around that stuff long ago now.
The American mind cannot comprehend this.
Americans can’t see this comment chain.
Edit: or should I say “Ameri-can’t see this comment chain”
But if Americans can’t see this comment chain, how USA-ful is it to the discussion?
Same but with being fluent in english.
Like nobody is “dumb” for not being an expert at speaking English, let alone just speaking 😭
I’ve done my best to include °C conversions of all my °F. What more do you people want.
Since we’re here, I had covid one time and had to shop online for stuff that came in ounces, quarts, pints, and liters, and even without brain fog, I can tell you that comparing prices and sizes against apples, oranges, and furlongs (⅛ miles (≈⅕ km (but this is an argumentum ad absurdum))) is the most unsatisfying garbage that has ever been.
In conclusion,
what ifGoddidbless America?Wait we still don’t have a bot for that?
Well, I also have the feeling that most people here are from the U.S. or Germany. And I only identify the latter as such, because of their usernames. Not sure if I’m right, but I surely feel isolated on Lemmy at times.
Here in Europe there are a lot of country-specific instances (e.g. feddit.de or feddit.nl). I can confirm the German one has quite a lot of members and some large German subreddits moved to Lemmy when the blackout happened. Germans are quite privacy focused in general with a generally higher Firefox market share and a lot of shops only accepting cash (not proud of the latter haha)
feddit.de is dead, long live feddit.org!
Oh, die Bargeldsache geht mir auch auf den Sack. Fühle mich nach jedem Auslandsaufenthalt als wäre ich 20 Jahre in die Vergangenheit gereist * g *
Fühle mich nach jedem Auslandsaufenthalt so, als wäre ich 20 Jahre in die Zukunft gereist lol
or Germany. And I only identify the latter as such, because of…
…ich_iel?
Americans assuming ‘America’ means ‘U.S.’
If you use it differently you are in conflict with the entire anglosphere. You can make that complaint if you’re not speaking English, but in English, the primary meaning of “America” is the United States.
Also Italian.
… Not that there’s much of an Italosphere but “Americano” vuol dire “Person from the United States”
Non-American here: In English it typically does. The collected landmass of North and South America (or just the continent, if you consider them to be a single one) is usually called “the Americas”
This isn’t a hard-and-fast rule of course, and with all the different dialects of English out there I’m sure there are some that work differently. I assume you prefer “US” or “USA” as a short name for the country?
I, as an American, write “The US” the refer to the country specifically to avoid confusion. But there’s not really another good demonym that’s not an slur. “Estadosunidenses” is too much of a mouthful and “Statesman” has another meaning.
It always feels odd to me that the Spanish demonym specifically is that when Mexico is also “Estados Unidos Mexicanos”, or the United Mexican States
I mean, ‘cracker’ isn’t really a slur given your average White Amerikan still tacitly and vociferously supports slavery via support for “tough-on-crime” politicians that funnel subjects-of-empire through the for-profit prison system/carceral slavery complex.
I just call 'em what they are at this point.
“I am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood. I had, as I now think vainly, flattered myself that without very much bloodshed it might be done.” – John Brown
But there’s not really another good demonym that’s not an slur. “Estadosunidenses” is too much of a mouthful and “Statesman” has another meaning.
Usonian?
How would that be pronounced?
Like “Usonian”, not like “USonian”, I’d guess? Flat U, non-“yoo”-ed; stress on the O; the “nian” more or less like “nyan” but 'murrically less cute.
TIL that this architectural style came from Frank Lloyd Wright’s use of this neologism, which seems to have originated with Scottish writer James Duff Law in 1865. And, that people have been trying to make this change happen for over 150 years. (Seems to me a review of the tale of King Canute and the tide is in order.)
Canadian here. “American” means from the US. People from the rest of the continent don’t care. They’re the ones with the dumb country name that doesn’t have a more obvious demonym. But we’ve all collectively agreed that that’s what it’s called.
If you want to refer to someone from South America you say South American. If you want to refer to someone from North America you say North American.
Most americans (IE the americas, which include central and south america), really dislike the usonians usurpution of the term “america” to refer solely to the United States, which really only started in the early 1900s as the US got really forward about its imperialist interests. You’re only hearing “american” by the nation that excludes most americans.
Counterpoint: there is no continent named “America.” “North American,” “South American,” and even “Central American,” or “Latin American,” for added specificity, are completely sufficient demonyms for the denizens of the continents (and subreigon) writ large.
Very true, all the more reason why we shouldn’t allow one country in the americas to lay claim to the term.
The US doesn’t even have most of the most populous cities in the americas
Hey, I love calling my Canadian friends “my fellow Americans” or saying “hey, we are all Americans here!”
And I think they really like it too! 🤣
I’ll say it again, if you don’t like the demonym of “American,” feel free to refer to us by our state and territorial demonyms instead.
Honestly imo lemmites are better at this than any other social media site.
Idk I’ve had the impression that this is not as bad here as it was on the place that shall not be named.
It’s better than on Reddit, which was usually justified by “it’s an American site”, but it’s definitely still here and annoying on Lemmy.world.
It is. I still wish it “Politics” would default to WorldPolitics" and USPolitics was it’s own thing, instead of the other version where Politics and News and US stuff and the general topics need the “World” prefix.
Fair point.
You should ask your instance about that, bc right now it’s just mirroring the US-centric reddit trend where the politics community is all just US-specific politics. Same for news, etc.
Lemmy.ml has US Politics as a comm, and World News as a comm.
I think a large portion of lemmy is too focused on making lemmy popular. Fake engagement and posts that nobody cares about don’t create engagement. Instead, more focus on just enjoying lemmy would ironically lead to better posts and discussion. Likewise, people post the same articles to the same communities seeking engagement. It leads to dupilication which waters down the discussion, ironically, also leading to less engagement. I think federalised communities, as has been discussed would be a good solution. However, it strikes me that they don’t want to miss out on karma, for some reason. So, short term gain, for long term hassle of multiple posts. If some of the most prolific posters posted to the most relevant community and cross posted elsewhere, then maybe communities would coalesce more.
An example of this that really bothers me: I joined several gaming munis because I like to talk about games. But there are people out there who feel that a gaming muni should be about the games industry, and so those munis are just a constant stream of gaming news articles, patch notes, and trailers. Mostly with completely barren comment sections. What I wanted was the social experience of chatting with people about games.
I think less of an emphasis on having a steady stream of content and more on only posting something that you believe is worthy of discussion would be so much better. If people want to see literally every rockpapershotgun article, they can subscribe to their RSS feed.
What I wanted was the social experience of chatting with people about games. I don’t care about (as a random example) the latest Helldivers 2 patch notes.
Please yes this. It’s good to see gaming related news but largely I just want to nerd out about the games themselves. Of course I should be told to just post my own damn content, but I have admittedly never been good about creating OC.
What I wanted was the social experience of chatting with people about games.
There’s [email protected]
Yeah. I find that a lot of comment sections are rather empty and some people who are there are really bad at discussions.
I don’t know what would get me to comment more than patch notes for an incredibly popular game thousands of people are playing. So either bad example or I have no idea what you want in a gaming sub.
I joined with the Reddit exodus and there were so many communities that were a straight copy of a subreddit. No discussion, just posts - yuck.
I try to comment on things so there is engagement and conversation. Without engagement, this is just a collection of bookmarks.
But it’s kinda up to us to create that. Somehow. Sometimes even just a quip or shitpost comment can sort of open the floodgates.
The way I see it, people shouldn’t post things unless they have some discussion they want to have about that thing. They shouldn’t post just because it’s news. I’d be fine with Lemmy having far less frequent new posts if those posts were all created by people who were legitimately trying to share something rather than just generate content.
Ultimately a kind of uber cross posting that hides away the technical bits. I’d definitely love that. Or at least if I as a user could specify multiple communities for a post, and from a ux ui perspective it remains a single post.
Then again one could argue that subscribers should simply follow multiple communities and that solves the problem, too and it already works. So just avoid cross posting altogether.
Coalescing into massive communities is a mixed bag. Putting all your eggs in one basket makes them more vulnerable to rogue moderators, sudden loss of a server, the need to defederate if the host server gets compromised, provides a more attractive target for bots, and other bad actor things.
Yes it would improve ease of use and make Lemmy more user friendly, and it can be frustrating to have conversation splintered. Lots of times I’ll comment on an empty story at the top of my new feed only to find a lively discussion a little lower. That’s all frustrating, I agree. It’s also, I think, the nature of federating.
If multiple different news communities are thriving despite posting pretty much the same content, there are reasons for that. People can pick just one to subscribe to, and they don’t all pick the same one. That tells me there is something about each one that makes them attractive to different people.
I think it can really hurt smaller communities, though.
I think part of this comes from wanting a broader base of content, which I agree with. The rest seems to come from wanting the downfall of Reddit, who is in my rearview mirror so I don’t care.
We are currently like old Reddit, a techy, mostly progressive, crowd. That means a lot of uni-topic content.
When there are 10,000 users, and 5 of them are into sewing, the sewing community is dead. When there are 100,000 users, and thus 50 interested in sewing, content starts to form. You can see where this goes from here.
Id like more right wingers. Not in a i like them kind of a way in a i want lemmy more representative of the population kind of way. I also think we really need to be pushing harder on the free speach free marketplace of ideas we have created.
I don’t think you deserve to be so heavily downvoted, but also Christ it’s nice to have a refuge where I don’t have to constantly hate humanity. Particularly when so often it’s simply not possible to have a genuine conversation because folks are spitting out talking points and ignoring facts. Which the left does as well but at least they don’t make me want to go on a murderous rampage. Usually.
Yeah i get what u mean about the extremists. But honestly the tankie extremists are just as bad. Their denial of genocide by the ccp is particularly bad. Ive been told that people are willingly choosing to go to ccp reeducation centers.
That last bit feels very unlikely or a total distortion. Not because I’m looking to argue, but I also happen to be human (meaning I think this applies universally to all humans regardless of any particular philosophy) and that sounds incredibly tedious and I can’t believe that’s the sort of thing any other human would spend their valuable time doing. I’d rather fold my laundry, and I fucking hate folding laundry.
I get what you’re saying but I like that Lemmy has a left wing bias (with a dash of libertarians). If it was the dominant media site, I’d agree about the echo chamber risk but so much media (in the English speaking world, anyway) is under right wing ownership now. Having a handful of sites that are a refuge from it all is a feature for me, not a bug. It’s an escape from the echo chamber.
I like that Lemmy has a left wing bias
it currently feels exactly like pre-2014 reddit. in a good way
No, it absolutely does not. Lemmy has a LOT of groupthink, just a different type of groupthink than the norm.
Reddit pre 2014 was the wild fucking west. You’d have some girl posting about why she likes sticking goat intestines up her butt and the comments would be all “it’s not my thing but I can see your point of view”. People were selling heroin on a public forum. There was a sub called something like “fiftyfifty” where you click on a link and it’s either a cute bunny or some dude getting beheaded, no blurring or censorship just full gruesome decapitation. The most popular sub was called “jailbait” for chrissake.
Like, kids today cannot comprehend how sanitised everything is. You are locked in a box. Lemmy is a different box than reddit is a different box than Instagram is a different box than Facebook is a different box than Twitter. You don’t know what freedom is. You will never know. It’s exhilarating and terrifying. But all you can do nowadays is pick a different box.
Exactly. Like I said
It’s just a different echo chamber though.
More here than R**dit. As a pro-gun Libral (pro-pistol), I had a great chat with a hard-line anti-gun person on here. On Reddit, I would have risked being permabanned for being a maga racist by an idiot mod, then had zero recourse against the idiot mod (totally not a bitter anecdote…).
Here, if I have a heated debate with a conservative, as long as it doesn’t get hostile, I can keep communicating and trying to help them understand my points instead of suddenly talking to [deleted] about [deleted] because some shit mod didn’t like their views.
Hey for the record ive been banned for saying this perfectly proving my point.
nice, good work mods
Lemmy is pretty international. We have right wingers here, but it’s not really representative. The USA right wingers only make up a small portion of worldwide population, so don’t stress. It’s not an echo chamber.
It’s not an echo chamber.
Right, it’s more like a reverberation chamber.
Yea, I think the American bubble makes people think their political spectrum is normal… while the Democrats would be a right or centrist party pretty much anywhere else in the world.
Dems are center right for sure
I think generally the community-driven, communal decentralized open concept kind of clashes at least with far right & neo lib thinking.
How its the ultimate embodiment of free speach the marketplace of ideals and competition. Id classify these as liberal ideas but ive notices a lot of the Americanised left wing doeant seem to agree with these anymore.
(neo) liberalism isn’t really a leftist ideology, not sure about american specifics.
Leftism refers to collective ownership of the Means of Production, Rightism refers to individual ownership. Reddit is Capitalist, Lemmy is the Leftist answer to it.
There is no “competition” on Lemmy because there’s no profit and no production.
There’s no monetary profit, but I could absolutely see competition for whose ideas gain the most support.
And the Fediverse does not collectively own all the instances. Each instance is created and supported by an individual or small group of individuals.
You can even see the failures of unregulated capitslism in how lemmy (especially lemmy.ml and lemmy.world) are consolidating users and engagement. Unregulated capitalism trends towards monopoly.
It’s an extremely apt metaphor for capitalism.
There’s no monetary profit, but I could absolutely see competition for whose ideas gain the most support.
Capitalism is not “competition,” it is a specific mode of production. Competition exists outside Capitalism.
And the Fediverse does not collectively own all the instances. Each instance is created and supported by an individual or small group of individuals.
The source code is open and free, ergo people can do what they want. The underlying tools are accessible to anyone, the instances are not “production” nor do they exist for exchange.
You can even see the failures of unregulated capitslism in how lemmy (especially lemmy.ml and lemmy.world) are consolidating users and engagement. Unregulated capitalism trends towards monopoly.
There is no Capitalism on Lemmy, lmao.
It’s an extremely apt metaphor for capitalism.
No it isn’t.
The source code is open and free, ergo people can do what they want.
You really don’t see the parallels between this statement and “anyone can become a millionaire”?
Not everyone has the opportunity or the skillset to “do what they want” with the source code. I’m not a coder. How can I do whatever I want? I’m beholden to the structures that other people build.
You really don’t see the parallels between this statement and “anyone can become a millionaire”?
There’s a chance you could stumble onto a point if Lemmy was profit-driven.
Not everyone has the opportunity or the skillset to “do what they want” with the source code. I’m not a coder. How can I do whatever I want? I’m beholden to the structures that other people build.
You don’t need to be in order to be able to download the source code. Skills are not ownership.
HackerNews has one of the best downvoting rules I’ve ever seen - you can’t downvote someone replying to you. I think that simple change massively changes the way karma works.
They also arbitrarily don’t allow you to reply to lots which is annoying. I often have follow-up questions (legit ones, not comebacks or other crap) that I can’t do anything about :(
But I agree, its generally terrible etiquette to downvote something someone has contributed to you if its goodfaith and also, assuming your thing is visible people are gonna see it and your interests are linked so its just silly, bottom-line
Low-karma accounts are rate-limited. I don’t know what the threshold is, but that goes away after you gain some karma.
I def have some(not quite 1000) but had some pretty popular comments
From what I can tell, all the karma thresholds are dynamic and probably only knowable by admins. If nearly 1000 isn’t enough to avoid rate limiting then they sound pretty aggressive.
From my perspective HN’s approach seems to do pretty well at mitigating bad behavior, but might be a little too hard on newcomers and casual users.
Having a culture in the first place would be a good start.
Different instances tend to have their own cultures, you might want to go instance hopping.
With this amount or active users it’s not sustainable. I’m interested in broad topics and I try to chase the most active community for the topic, no matter the instance that hosts them.
The only meaningful sign of “community” I managed to identify is the tanky one, where it’s palpable a radical difference with the very generic “everywhere else”.
Start participating in smaller instances then, if Hexbear can do it, why can’t you?
Because I am but a single person, comrade.
Find an instance you like, and be the change you seek.
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Since they started blocking VPN traffic I would love it if people stopped hosting images on imgur.
More witty and funny answers in the comment section. Out of thousands of commenters you could get a few gems that make you ‘spit your coffee at the screen, goddamn you’.
Just put a lot of salt in your coffee. Problem solved.
The fact that it’s mostly like Reddit and people mostly act like redditors.
There’s not really a way around it though.
You could argue it was the whole point. The rest of fediverse is significantly different, and you can still interact with lemmy from there.
I don’t mean in terms of how the platform operates, I mean the people.
Don’t know why you are down voted. I didn’t leave reddit because I disliked the platform, I left because I disliked the leadership. Lemmy is an attempt at creating a similar platform.
Happy cake day!
(Intended both warmly and ironically)
And for the parts that don’t function like Reddit, it is worse.
I mean, ignoring the whole federation/syndication/self hostability/freedom/raison d’etre parts, yeah.
Right now, Lemmy seems very tech-focused - which is understandable, as it’s mostly tech geeks that use this platform. I’d like to see a wider variety of interests here, more things outside of technology/Linux/Star Trek/etc.
If we want Lemmy to become more popular, we need to appeal to the mainstream Internet users.
The objective ought to be more engagement, not more users.
If lemmy goes from 200 posts about Linux a day to a thousand posts about Linux a day, I will leave. Fuck that shit
Hey, good to see you here.
If we want Lemmy to become more popular, we need to appeal to the mainstream Internet users.
I was thinking about it the other day, I feel like the vast majority of Internet users are now on Facebook/Instagram/Tiktok/Twitter/Discord depending on their age and demographics.
Text-based forums are probably not appealing to most of them
Text-based forums are probably not appealing to most of them
That’s a good point.
I think an important step to making Lemmy more popular is making sure it actually shows up in search engines. I don’t know enough to say how though
It’s the inverse that is true actually -
As Lemmy becomes more popular it will drift from being so tech focused.
Many popular sites gradually drifted off of tech focus as their user base grew. R*ddit is a prime example of how a very nerdy niche site grew and shifted to be popular (sorta) organically.
I do think that for all the hullabaloo about Ellen Pao and banning a bunch of subreddits - that actually did more to open the place up to users who were otherwise driven away by /r/FatPeopleHate and /r/Jailbait being on the front page all the time.
If Lemmy were to change to attract users it would likely be from increased defederation with instances that are less palatable to mainstream society.
the “ignore all previous instructions” comments.
the first time i read it, i thought it was funny. the second time, less so. the hundreth time? yeah. i dont know if people realize it, but if you use this comment, it actually makes you look like a moron. Because all your opponent has to do to achieve that is just not following your instructions. besides: ive never seen this used against somebody who might actually be a bot, its always just somebody with different opinions.
