Hot and Active feeds pull in a lot of things that are up to 2 days old, but by 12-24 hours at the most, nearly all conversation is done. It’s not nearly as rewarding to interact with posts on those feeds when so few people are even looking at them.
If everyone saw the same feeds, that might be something because maybe the conversation would continue, but I’m pretty sure that’s not the case due to federation.
Hot and Active feeds pull in a lot of things that are up to 2 days old, but by 12-24 hours at the most, nearly all conversation is done.
that’s why i’ve switched to “new”
I prefer using the “scaled” feed rather than “active”. It’s like active, but boosts posts from smaller communities, and seems to usually surface newer content.
Its been a focus of mine to try to make lemmy’s comment sorting the opposite of the reddit experience, where the highest rated comment is nearly always just the first one, making all engagement after those first few minutes pointless.
The active sort does a good job of bumping new activity on older posts (limited to 2 days) back to the top. There’s also a
New Commentssort that doesn’t have that 2-day limit (making it basically a forum sort), but I don’t know how many people use it.Not sure what else we could do tho, the main problem is probably just the smaller number of users. Which needs to be tackled by convincing reddit communities and their mods to move them over to some lemmy instance.
Its been a focus of mine to try to make lemmy’s comment sorting the opposite of the reddit experience, where the highest rated comment is nearly always just the first one, making all engagement after those first few minutes pointless.
I think your strategy for going the opposite than reddit works quite well when it comes to comments. However, I don’t think it fits so well with posts (not sure if the strategy/sorting for posts and comments use the same methods). Personally I don’t feel great seeing posts older than 24 hours, especially as I have probably already seen that post. It’ll just stick around for way too long.
The Hot and Scaled sort shouldn’t be showing anything that old, try changing your default post sort to that for a bit.
Active will do what you’re saying tho, keep bumping things.
This is a great comment, thank you. Very good links.
Do you know how federation affects the sorts? I assume, based on my longer experience with Mastodon, that the All feed is actually just all of the posts that have been federated to my instance i.e. someone on my instance is subscribed to that community. So any communities no one on my server is subscribed to are invisible regardless of sort.
That implies the All feed is unique to each server, and therefore all of the sorts are also unique. Which would mean for at least a certain percentage of posts, they might be in your hot or active feeds, even though no one is really interacting with them much any more.
What do you think? Maybe it doesn’t work as much like Mastodon as I think, but since it’s all the same fediverse it feels like a logical assumption.
Put simply, the sorting / ranking is based on the score and the time published, so as long as things are getting federated within a few seconds, then federated posts / comments are no different from local ones. Mastodon only sorts things by newest AFAIK.
That implies the All feed is unique to each server, and therefore all of the sorts are also unique. Which would mean for at least a certain percentage of posts, they might be in your hot or active feeds, even though no one is really interacting with them much any more.
Should only be an issue if your server blocks other ones.
So is the All feed actually all communities and not just ones federated to your instance by virtue of someone on the instance subscribing? That was really the crux of my question.
Ah, this is completely different and has nothing to do with sorting.
Allmeans the latter, IE communities connected to your instance, that your instance knows about. Lemmy doesn’t crawl anything, federated communities need to get subscribed to first, then posts can start coming in for them.Yes but also no. Because if the contents of All are unique to each server, that has some implications for which posts appear in the various sorts, right? Maybe I’m overthinking and the effect is minute, but I feel like in at least some cases it would mean less active posts could squeeze out more active posts.
Its best to just think of them as separate to keep it clear. Sorting affects all posts (federated or not) in the same way.
Could there be a one-click way to automatically ‘import’ a Reddit subreddit over to a Lemmy community? Meaning, create it, import the sidebars, welcomes, rules, graphics, etc. so it looks familiar to regular users. If not, at least a step-by-step tutorial on how mods could do it.
Another option would be to provide something like a crossposting Chrome or Firefox extension that lets people simultaneously post content to both Reddit and Lemmy. Give them a smooth transition path.
Lastly, the Bluesky concept of ‘pluggable algorithms’ is one way to make it so users can choose whatever sort works best for their interests.
There are a few import tools written to import historical posts, which is the main difficulty. Copying and pasting a sidebar markdown, re-uploading images would take a max of like 10 minutes.
I intentionally kept historical imports out, since Reddit is blocking APIs under the guise of limiting AI scraping.
My main point was setting up an easier way for low-tech mods to set up a parallel community, then nudge users to move over.
I agree with Dessalines that moving the sidebar takes 10 minutes.
Feel free to join [email protected] if you want to discuss how to grow communities
Reddit’s mod interface isn’t an easy one to use, so they’d probably have an easier time over here. If they can click an upload image button, and copy paste, they should be okay.
Americans assuming everyone else is from America and knows everything about America.
I make sure to list any weights and measures in both US and metric.
I also try to include a fair amount of content focused on other parts of the world.
Lemmy is small enough that even though I’m guessing it is majority US, that it is likely less US-centric than most social media. It’s just good to have some stuff for everyone, and I know I like to learn about things outside my country, so I want non-US focused content myself on a regular basis.
Regarding weights and measures:
I don’t think in metric, and there’s a strong possibility that I never will. I came of age in an educational system that taught metric units alongside imperial, but also in a day-to-day world that heavily skews towards imperial units.
If I see metric units that I can’t immediately interpret in my head, it’s absolutely trivial for me to get the conversion by other means. It’s equally as trivial for someone who uses metric to make the opposite conversion.
Anyone losing their shit about it is acting performatively.
I don’t put the conversions in my comments, usually because I don’t even post measurements in my comments, but if I did and got a reply asking for it, I’d tell them to go ask Google.
The triviality is what makes me just do it myself. If I’m the one sharing something to a global audience, it makes more sense for me to do it once than to have everyone else go do it if they need to.
I was talking in another thread today, possibly one in response to this one, or at least one similar, and I basically said I want Lemmy to succeed, and my content is easy to source, but getting regular visitors and commenters is the hard part, so I’m willing to do a little pampering to positively reinforce my “guests,” especially at this stage of the game. It’s just some extra consideration, to show people I’m being thoughtful of them, and to make it feel like a place they can come to get facts without having to google them all the time.
My big issue with Lemmy at the moment is I think we’re testing what level of civility we’re willing to give to and to tolerate from others, and I don’t see as many commenters being helpful to each other and I feel mods are scared to steer conversations back to more polite conduct due to the overbearing rep of Reddit mods. So I’m just trying to be the example of what I want to see. That’s the real thing I’m looking to provide. The unit conversion is just a slice of that you could say.
I still have people downvote over nothing or make smartass comments occasionally, but I can’t prevent it all. I’ll do what I can though to make things pleasant and positive for who I can.
I agree with all you’ve said, and I tend to add both systems when expressing a meaningful measurement. My statement is pointed more towards situations where someone hasn’t done so and it throws some poor soul into a meltdown.
Yes, it is a strange thing to make a fuss over.
The one that gets me is when people complain about paywalled articles. I agree it doesn’t make sense to share one, but this is a tech savvy group here, and I kinda expect 95% of people to know how to deal with that by now. Even mainstream sites have shared how to get around that stuff long ago now.
The American mind cannot comprehend this.
Americans can’t see this comment chain.
Edit: or should I say “Ameri-can’t see this comment chain”
But if Americans can’t see this comment chain, how USA-ful is it to the discussion?
Well, I also have the feeling that most people here are from the U.S. or Germany. And I only identify the latter as such, because of their usernames. Not sure if I’m right, but I surely feel isolated on Lemmy at times.
Here in Europe there are a lot of country-specific instances (e.g. feddit.de or feddit.nl). I can confirm the German one has quite a lot of members and some large German subreddits moved to Lemmy when the blackout happened. Germans are quite privacy focused in general with a generally higher Firefox market share and a lot of shops only accepting cash (not proud of the latter haha)
Oh, die Bargeldsache geht mir auch auf den Sack. Fühle mich nach jedem Auslandsaufenthalt als wäre ich 20 Jahre in die Vergangenheit gereist * g *
Fühle mich nach jedem Auslandsaufenthalt so, als wäre ich 20 Jahre in die Zukunft gereist lol
feddit.de is dead, long live feddit.org!
or Germany. And I only identify the latter as such, because of…
…ich_iel?
Reverse for me.
Talking about an American politician.
In a thread about American politics.
In a community about American politics.
On an American instance.
Cue 200 “UGH WHY IS EVERYTHING SO AMERICA CENTRIC WHY AREN’T YOU TALKING ABOUT EEEEUUUUUURRRRROOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPE” butthurt comments.
Why did you name your instance .world?! 😭
Yeah, it’s contextually appropriate most of the time. I doubt there are many American users posting American politically specific ideas on posts about non-american politics.
The only real validity to this complaint would be an overabundance of posts regarding American politics; to which I would say, down vote those and post your own. I, for one, promise not to be upset.
Or just the random snarky shit they think is so clever.
“America, are you okay?” for the 500th time is not clever, just like it wasn’t the first couple hundred times it’s been posted.
Idk I’ve had the impression that this is not as bad here as it was on the place that shall not be named.
It’s better than on Reddit, which was usually justified by “it’s an American site”, but it’s definitely still here and annoying on Lemmy.world.
It is. I still wish it “Politics” would default to WorldPolitics" and USPolitics was it’s own thing, instead of the other version where Politics and News and US stuff and the general topics need the “World” prefix.
Lemmy.ml has US Politics as a comm, and World News as a comm.
You should ask your instance about that, bc right now it’s just mirroring the US-centric reddit trend where the politics community is all just US-specific politics. Same for news, etc.
Fair point.
Americans assuming ‘America’ means ‘U.S.’
Hey, I love calling my Canadian friends “my fellow Americans” or saying “hey, we are all Americans here!”
And I think they really like it too! 🤣
Canadian here. “American” means from the US. People from the rest of the continent don’t care. They’re the ones with the dumb country name that doesn’t have a more obvious demonym. But we’ve all collectively agreed that that’s what it’s called.
If you want to refer to someone from South America you say South American. If you want to refer to someone from North America you say North American.
Most americans (IE the americas, which include central and south america), really dislike the usonians usurpution of the term “america” to refer solely to the United States, which really only started in the early 1900s as the US got really forward about its imperialist interests. You’re only hearing “american” by the nation that excludes most americans.
Counterpoint: there is no continent named “America.” “North American,” “South American,” and even “Central American,” or “Latin American,” for added specificity, are completely sufficient demonyms for the denizens of the continents (and subreigon) writ large.
Very true, all the more reason why we shouldn’t allow one country in the americas to lay claim to the term.
The US doesn’t even have most of the most populous cities in the americas
I’ll say it again, if you don’t like the demonym of “American,” feel free to refer to us by our state and territorial demonyms instead.
Non-American here: In English it typically does. The collected landmass of North and South America (or just the continent, if you consider them to be a single one) is usually called “the Americas”
This isn’t a hard-and-fast rule of course, and with all the different dialects of English out there I’m sure there are some that work differently. I assume you prefer “US” or “USA” as a short name for the country?
I, as an American, write “The US” the refer to the country specifically to avoid confusion. But there’s not really another good demonym that’s not an slur. “Estadosunidenses” is too much of a mouthful and “Statesman” has another meaning.
It always feels odd to me that the Spanish demonym specifically is that when Mexico is also “Estados Unidos Mexicanos”, or the United Mexican States
I mean, ‘cracker’ isn’t really a slur given your average White Amerikan still tacitly and vociferously supports slavery via support for “tough-on-crime” politicians that funnel subjects-of-empire through the for-profit prison system/carceral slavery complex.
I just call 'em what they are at this point.
“I am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood. I had, as I now think vainly, flattered myself that without very much bloodshed it might be done.” – John Brown
But there’s not really another good demonym that’s not an slur. “Estadosunidenses” is too much of a mouthful and “Statesman” has another meaning.
Usonian?
How would that be pronounced?
Like “Usonian”, not like “USonian”, I’d guess? Flat U, non-“yoo”-ed; stress on the O; the “nian” more or less like “nyan” but 'murrically less cute.
TIL that this architectural style came from Frank Lloyd Wright’s use of this neologism, which seems to have originated with Scottish writer James Duff Law in 1865. And, that people have been trying to make this change happen for over 150 years. (Seems to me a review of the tale of King Canute and the tide is in order.)
If you use it differently you are in conflict with the entire anglosphere. You can make that complaint if you’re not speaking English, but in English, the primary meaning of “America” is the United States.
Also Italian.
… Not that there’s much of an Italosphere but “Americano” vuol dire “Person from the United States”
Same but with being fluent in english.
Like nobody is “dumb” for not being an expert at speaking English, let alone just speaking 😭
Honestly imo lemmites are better at this than any other social media site.
I’ve done my best to include °C conversions of all my °F. What more do you people want.
Since we’re here, I had covid one time and had to shop online for stuff that came in ounces, quarts, pints, and liters, and even without brain fog, I can tell you that comparing prices and sizes against apples, oranges, and furlongs (⅛ miles (≈⅕ km (but this is an argumentum ad absurdum))) is the most unsatisfying garbage that has ever been.
In conclusion,
what ifGoddidbless America?Wait we still don’t have a bot for that?
Stop using giant catchall instances and switch to a smaller instance that’s more suited to you.
One of the major advantages of a federated system is that it doesn’t really matter which instance you use. Theres no real advantage to using a larger instance, and in fact there’s several disadvantages as the large instances can be slower, maintenance can take longer, it’s more expensive to run the servers, etc.
One of the reasons people moved away from Reddit was to avoid one company (Reddit) and especially one person (the Reddit CEO) having control over the whole thing. Using a huge Lemmy server kinda defeats the point of switching across.
This will likely be an unpopular opinion here, but if you thought reddit was politically opinionated, holy hell Lemmy is 1000 times worse. I’m left leaning myself, but the majority of the posters here make me look like a moderate. There are even times when the rhetoric I see is approaching the level of toxicity I see from right-wing internet goers.
Fewer political in general is what I want, but it would be nice to see some actual diversity of opinions. Echo chambers are good for absolutely no one.
Too many angry people calling to eat (read murder) the rich. These pussies wouldn’t so much as be found outside at a protest let alone speak a disparaging word to a millionaire.
They need to grow the fuck up. I’m as anti-capitalist as one could be but I’m not naive enough to think violence will solve the problem.
Unfortunately, their hate filled rhetoric is expanding and I don’t see cooler heads prevailing. I fear for my kids.
Fewer politics.
I wish people would stop treating people from instances as a monolith.
Nothing. I theorize that the good people who looked at Spez with disgust left Reddit. I’d rather not have the power tripping cucks who made Reddit bad come here
It seems I often don’t get stuff in my inbox that should be there. Like direct replies. But honestly, I’d also like to get notifications for sibling posts or replies to replies and so on. I just want to subscribe to that discussion.
Another thing is that sometimes eternity forgets where I was doom scrolling, and it takes me forever to get back to that point. I probably just clicked away from the feed or closed all my apps.
A complete excision of all overlap with USA culture.
I want less big general instances, and more small niche ones like StarTrek.website or MTGzone.com.
I’d like to see fewer angry communists. Regular communists don’t bother me, but don’t be so aggressive about it.
Well, whenever the actions of capitalists stop affecting me and start being more escapable, that’s the exact minute I’ll stop being so angry. Sound like a deal?
Giving some real “live your life however you want but don’t jam it down my throat” energy and that’s… Nah, fam. That’s not the wave.
We all have problems.
Edit to add: yelling about them on the internet doesn’t do anything to solve them. Talking about it might.
Okay, do you think people have the right to get angry at problems they have in their life due to an incredibly violent and inefficient system?
Yes, there’s plenty of anger all over the world. Plenty of people who have been wronged. The type of stuff I’m referring to is more like “owning a house and having people pay you money so they can live there is criminal”, but in an “all caps” sort of tone. That sort of thing.
Feel free to talk about how rent is too high, we need legislation, etc. etc., but if you go straight to some sort of off-the-wall ideology and you’re very loud about it without discussing the nuances, my preference would be for the culture of Lemmy to not be that.
but if you go straight to some sort of off-the-wall ideology and you’re very loud about it without discussing the nuances, my preference would be for the culture of Lemmy to not be that.
Well, it’s a nice strawman you erected to put on a piñata show for the class. Let’s hear what you think is “some sort of off-the-wall ideology”; 'cause at this point, I’d bet my left eye you’re about to say some shit that eventually terminates at “I’m okay with the global north murdering anyone they need to to maintain hegemony”.
owning a house and having people pay you money so they can live there is criminal”
The system that makes housing operate that way is criminal. Housing should not be a commodity
but if you go straight to some sort of off-the-wall ideology and you’re very loud about it without discussing the nuances
Honestly in most discussions I find the communists to be the more nuanced of the bunch.
Edit to add: yelling about them on the internet doesn’t do anything to solve them. Talking about it might.
People do talk, sometimes talking doesn’t work, and yelling does.
Where are you finding non-angry Communists, except in Communist spaces?
Not on Lemmy, hence it’s what I’d like to change.
Hexbear.net is generally pretty happy until a liberal walks in.
I think I have that instance blocked.
You may, or your instance may not be federated with them. You can browse it anonymously or make an account that is federated with them if you want to see it.
My instance doesn’t block it, but I blocked it with the recent feature added in 0.19.3 or 4, give or take. I think I got tired of seeing the angry people.
happier communists? do you mean slrpnk.net?
I want the liberals to go back to their homes negl
Lemmy.world and its consequences…
Nah facts. I’d even be able to tolerate the posters from .ee and .works, but with .world in the mix too I just want 'em all gone.
You’d tolerate .works? You’re more patient than I am.
I actually do try to be is the thing, but at current rate of redditor horseshit I have to read because of the western lib alliance, I’m probably going to run out of that patience around the same time the Social Security fund runs dry.
Fair enough, the reddit crowd sure is something.
fewer reposts from reddit, fewer reddit copycat communities, fewer redditors.
100%. I don’t know why people, who are presumably banned from Reddit or left Reddit for reasons, want bring over the same garbage they left for.
I’d love it if we let it develop organically.
In what way(s) is it not doing precisely that?
You know what never develop organically? Corporate social media platforms.
I think they’re referring to people casually mentioning that growth is desirable, which comes across as corpo think.
As you say, that perspective doesn’t have any direct relevance, but is does have impact. For example regarding the decision to defederate from threads.
Totally with you. Just want to say that there is certain growth that comes organically that isn’t necessarily desirable.
For example many subs would start out cool and informative and then as they grew it somehow attracted an idiot crowd that was only capable of sharing memes. Or they group shift into some extreme perspectives.
