Mine is fresh highschool graduates getting 2 weeks of training to go work acute, all-male forensic psychiatry. We’re taking criminally insane men who are unsafe to put on a unit with criminally insane women.
…and they would send fresh high school graduates (often girls because hospitals in general tend to be female-dominated) in the yoga pants and club makeup they think are proffessional because they literally have 0 previous work experience to sit suicide watch for criminally insane rapists who said they were suicidal because they knew they would send some 18y/o who doesn’t know any better to sit with them. It went about how you would expect the hundreds of times I watched it happen.
My favorite float technician was the 60 year old guy who was super gassy and looked like an off-season Santa. Everybody hated that guy because they said he was super lazy but he would sit suicide watch all fucking shift without complaining and he almost never failed to dissapoint a sex pest who thought they were gonna get some eye candy (or worse).
What’s your example?
Police
In my country:
- federal cops are well-trained, low-paid, shit benefits, must like horses.
- regional/muni cops are increasingly less trained, better paid, and for people who can’t be the fed cops (usually background check) they can sometimes be local cops. Think about that.
- transit cops are like regionals but can go anywhere there’s transit. I don’t understand it either, nor do I know how much training they need.
Not where I’m from. Requires significant training and testing
Police in the United States
Depends where in the US you’re at. Here’s the requirements where I’m at.
That’s barely anything. Look up what it takes to be a hair stylist.
Should probably edit your original post. If you edit your ill edit mine!
They don’t have to, if it’s shitting on the police in English (and rightly so). The US part is implied at this point.
No its not implied. The world is bigger than one country. This is not a US exclusive place so either learn to communicate with people from wide variety of places and experience or stay confined to your echo chambers. The US is quickly becoming one of those shithole countries your felon of a president likes to talk about.
This mentallity is a form of enshittification. You have to put some effort into communicating clearly and effectively.
It’s not “our” felon president, he’s the ex-president. If you’re going to try and take some sort of “high moral” road, know what you’re talking about.
You obviously have some sort of issue or bone to pick. I don’t have time for that petty nonsense. Good bye.
Americans use the title mr president when referring to former presidents, im sure its a common else where as well
Get your facts straight your own damned self. The entire MAGA movement and the fact that hes the relublican candidate for president this election calls him President Trump.
And hes a convicted felon now.
It’s an accurate statement whether you like it or not
Where are you from?
MBAs who contract dev work out to India to make a quick buck without realizing how bad the code they’re going to get back usually is.
Shoutout to Raj the QA lead I worked with in India though. That dude’s team was thorough.
I’d go a step further than that - MBAs who not only contract dev out to India but go the cheapest route. I’ve worked with both fantastic teams over there and teams that do more harm than good: the difference is what that MBA was looking for. There’s a lot of great engineers and you can build a great team if that’s what you care about. However you won’t get it by looking for the cheapest contractor in the cheapest country
MBAs who contract dev work out to India to make a quick buck without realizing how bad the code they’re going to get back usually is.
Ah, but some of them DO know what they are doing! In the IT world, I have seen where people say a job is about 2-3 years, show no loyalty to the company, and so on. But they don’t understand managers are doing this, too. Many KNOW these outsourcers are shitty (or don’t care because that’s not a metric they care about beyond selling points), but in a 2-3 year turnaround time, by the time it’s apparent they don’t work, the people who made those decisions are already gone. They ALSO thought ahead to the 2-3 year plan. Here’s how that goes:
Year 1: Make proposal based on costs. Find someone in Puna who will sell you some package with some bright, smiling, educated people who speak whatever language and accent that makes your pitch. Proposals are made, and attached to next year’s budget.
Year 2: Start the crossover. Puna Corp has swapped out the “demo people” for their core chum bucket. Sometimes, they don’t even change the names. How is an American gonna know that the Vivek Patel they saw in the demo is not the same guy named Vivek Patel who is working with your bitter employees who see the writing on the wall? Sadly to many who don’t care, “they all look/sound alike.” Puna is a product, their employees are a static pattern of commodity. Your people say they are shit, but, “oh, those grumbling employees. Your job is safe! We can’t fire you, you are too valuable!”
Year 3: The crossover has gone badly, but you are already looking for the next company to work for. The layoffs happen, and all the good folks are gone, and replaced by the Puna Corp folks. Things start to go badly, but you already got one foot out the door, charming your way into another company.
Year 4: You’re gone. Your legacy is that you saved a butt-ton of money. You are a success! The product is shit, but that’s not your problem. By the time the company realizes the tragedy, it’s middle manager versus middle manager, all backstabbing and jumping ship. Customers don’t matter, marketing covers up the satisfaction. “Wow,” you say. “Things sure when to shit THE MOMENT I LEFT.” You look fantastic! When you were there, you saved money! When you left, it all went downhill! You are a goddamn rockstar. Then repeat.
I have seen this happen since the 90s with a lot of tech folks. Everyone thinking short term for themselves. Only the customers get screwed via enshittification.
Now I feel stupid that I always assumed they just don’t know better, but this makes a ton of sense - and they can even expect a raise each time they change jobs. So their whole career is based on bullshitting and they for sure make more money than me… I don’t like this thought process
Apparently management positions. The amount of people in such positions that are full of themselves and are hitting terribad descicions at the same time, all the time, never to improve on that. Is terribly high.
Yeah sure, let’s not involve the construction department of the company with that big move you are “planning” for half a year now. Also only realize you need tons of work done before you can even start that move a month ahead of the due date. Then do a terrible job of getting that sorted. And only have the most basic of time plans for the actual move ready a couple days before they are supposed to happen. Make that time window awfully short because you also need those machines to produce again because you failed to plan extra production to create a buffer for intermediate products. Then go ahead and slash that awfully short time plan on the first day because surprise, surprise… You don’t have a buffer of intermediate products and you really need those machines up and running again so that you can push actual finished products out the door. Also hope for the best which is that the machines just start up and run again… Yes as if that ever worked with complicated machines that are also old now and could just fail completely just from getting moved.
Grade A plan…
A lot of management are coming out of “business schools” that are little more than indoctrination. These people don’t know the difference between a leader and a manager and qualify as neither.
I was blown away when I was promoted to a management position and realized none of the other managers I worked with read any books on management or had any real experience. Many fell into the management position and just kept doing fuck all.
Not saying the overeducated is better. We later got some Wharton grads who were thrown into the management space and they were the most dumbest MFs I ever met. Their theories would go against reality and at no point did they understand the work involved.
That’s the #1 thing. Managers as a position are incentivized to be overly concerned with their own careers and NOT involving anybody who actually does the work, unless it’s as a scapegoat or to steal credit.
Humble people with natural leadership qualities tend to find such roles disgusting…so we get…managers.
When firing people is difficult, it’s not infrequent to promote them to hire someone useful to backfill.
Those people keep rising the ladder through seniority and attrition.
They never do anything bad enough to get fired and just make everyone below them miserable cuz they don’t understand the business and like to prove that they’re in charge because of fear of inadequacy.
Cops
Very much depends where you live.
I think it’s just true for the vast majority of countries, unfortunately. A country has to have a lot of things figured out and done right before it can regulate and train its police force so well that its population doesn’t nearly universally agree with the ACAB sentiment. Or at least doesn’t belive they’re all incompetent.
In Sweden (and most European countries?) you need a two year education (1,5 yr theoretical, 0,5 yr field training) before you can work as a police officer. I think in parts of US the training is just a matter of weeks/months, which is very little considering the situations one need to handle.
That might lead to competency. We don’t do that here.
While Europe is far ahead in terms of training for police, I don’t think even 4 years is enough.
It’s 3 years here in Germany. Seems like some cops in the US are little more than hired thugs.
Or a little less.
Police.
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A position making engineering disposition decisions on hardware that do not meet print. Sometimes, using the hardware can be ok with robust technical analysis to make sure there will be no impact to function or life of the part or the system it’s going into. It’s typically a seasoned engineer with a good understanding of the specific product, and a title/position high enough they can stand up to pressures.
A supplier I worked with recently put a green engineer fresh out of college in the role. He was pressured to allow stuff out the door so the company could hit monthly delivery and $ targets. He never should have approved certain parts but didn’t have the technical knowledge, nor the confidence and reputation and leadership support to stand up to the people trying to ship bad product. The function was made useless by their decision to put him in the role, and he’s also developing terrible engineering habits that are going to haunt him.
There’s some excellent analogues in the Healthcare industry, particularly allowing new nurses to train each other. There’s basic standard practice things going completely ignored because they’re just not getting passed down. They’re not getting passed down because admin types are pushing the people who know those things out of their roles (experience costs $$) before they can pass that knowledge on. It’s a mess. And, as you say, experienced professionals have earned enough respect and have enough confidence their practice to call admin on their bullshit (I’m running into a lot of this lately, and am starting to get pushed out myself).
Being a coroner in some places. Medical examiners are professionals with a degree (and coroner’s usually are too), but the coroner is often an elected position, and elected positions usually only have residency and age requirements. Coroners have a huge level of power because they get to decide what is and what is not murder. Someone dies in police custody? They can call it natural causes, and it never goes to the court system. A political opponent dies by two gunshots? That can be called a suicide.
Ah yes like the Boeing employees who shot themselves in the head twice.
I’m a mortician and posted something similar. Morticians go through 4 years of medical school, including pathology and forensics, because it falls on us when the coroner screws up… and they have. The case that hits me the hardest was an infant being given SIDS as the cause of death, but postmortem bruising and broken bones told a different story. The owner had to call police and fake a funeral arrangement while he waited for them to arrive.
Mortuary school is an associate or bachelor level degree. Morticians do not go to medical school
With no disrespect of the mortician above, medical schooling would be the appropriate term. Medical school is generally equivalent to a phd with an internship after.
You’re correct, I should have chosen the words better. I had the same classes as doctors for years and had to compete with them for grades, but my courses veered once the classes went onto curing people. (It’s a bit too late to cure them, by the time they get to us 😅)
After that, was 4 semesters of postmortem science classes revolving around pathology, chemistry, embalming, biohazard protection, forensics, facial reconstruction; and the weird ones like funeral law/insurance, history of death, customs and religions, psychology of death and dying. I love doing reconstructions and creating prosthetics to match a photo when a person is too decomposed or injured. Giving people the chance to say goodbye and have closure is really rewarding.
My university required 2 years of medical courses; as well as 2 years of mortuary science curriculum. Multiple states I’ve worked in require continuing education in the medical field with exams every year. But every state and university is different. When I was stationed and worked in Colorado, I learned you don’t even need a degree to be a mortician. Any person can shadow a Funeral Director and start embalming. That’s terrifying.
I’ll happily concede that things may have changed. I was in college 10 years ago.
Great, you went to college, not medical school. If someone graduated with a bachelor’s degree in anatomy and physiology, they took more medical related classes than you, but still no one would say they went to “medical school.” It’s deliberately misleading and insulting to the people who actually spend over a decade becoming fully-licensed physicians. Not that dissimilar to stolen valor, frankly. Phlebotomists, nurses, etc all take medical classes and actually go on to treat patients medically, but still no one would say they went to medical school. You do a difficult and important job and you have every right to be proud of it, but you have nowhere near the level of medical knowledge or training of someone who went to medical school.
I get what you’re saying, but I respectfully disagree. I don’t think you understand the course load/requirements for this degree. It might be different for different schools, so I’m happy to elaborate. First of, ignore pre-reqs, like math/english/computer/etc. and let’s just talk science. My university was one of the top in the nation and I was required to take the same courses as doctors for years; I had to compete with them for my grades (bell curves suck); the only difference was that my courses changed direction when it got to classes regarding curing/treating people. You don’t need that for a postmortem science degree, so the next 4 semesters went into strictly death related education.
My university had us thoroughly trained on any potential medical risks, biohazards, and hospital procedures. We were dissecting, helping with autopsies, learning forensics and pathology, training in everything regarding the heart and vascular system, and don’t get me started on all the chemistry/physiology… yes, the courses veered, to avoid teaching us how to cure someone, but that does not take away that we go through medical school.
We are trained to be the last line of defense for catching crimes and doctor’s mistakes; we have continuing education alongside doctors, nurses, and pathologists; we have to work with people who’ve died of dangerous diseases and protect the public… we just don’t have to worry about curing a corpse. If you’ve actually read this, please start your reply with the word autopsy.
My grandmother was the county coroner for a while. She was a pharmacist professionally. In those places, it’s more “give it a quick kick and say they’re dead” (she never did that) more than anything else. She only declared death, not attribute cause to my knowledge.
The other part of it is that, for whatever reason, in my county the only higher arresting authority than the sheriff was the coroner. It was her job to serve him with papers when he was being sued and, not that it ever came up, arrest him when it needed done.
Weird system.
In several states the coroner is also the only authority that can arrest the governor as well. Very strange system.
That sounds like a niche power that’d be fun to try out just to see if it works LOL.
“You’re under arrest, governor!”
“On what charges?!”
“Well you’re in a position of power, giving you probable cause!”
[Finds tons of corruption, unsurprisingly.]
As a slight joke (but only slight), ministers and other positions of power. It’s incredible how poorly qualified some nominated ministers are, over here…
Democracy should allow anyone to run to be elected, but people nominated by the prime minister for specific ministries, should have some degree of education or experience in the field. Until very recently, there was essentially no assessment of skills. Now there are some forms and whatnot, but I still find it very lacking.
For example, we had a minister over 10 years ago that got his Bachelor’s nullified by a court ordering following an investigation of some shady deals with the University.
Sheriff is an elected position in the US no experience required.
Bonus answer, president of the United States, we’ve elected two mentally deficient celebrities so far…
- Reagan
- Trump
Don’t forget George W. Bush. Not a celebrity bit certainly an idiot.
There’s stories of small towns hiring sheriff’s which were related to the mayor.
And John Oliver’s dive into Sheriff’s in this Guardian Article: Tremendous amount of authority with low accountability’
Police reform is a uphill battle.
The county coroner is an ELECTED position.
I’m a mortician who’s worked substantially with autopsies. To be the county coroner, you do not need a degree, you do not need experience in mortuary science, postmortem science, forensics, pathology, NOTHING. All you need to be the county coroner, is to be popular.
Meanwhile, funeral directors in the USA need to go through years of college and continuing education, because we’re literally the last line of defense when coroners/doctors screw up. I’ve caught dozens of mistakes the coroner has made and I’m sick of it. The most recently was a shaken and bruised baby having cause of death listed as SIDS.
I no longer blindly trust autopsies for accurate cause of death. If the mortician needs 4 years of medical school, the freaking county coroner would should be required for at LEAST that to be elected.
It must vary by location. I know I’ve never voted for county coroner. After a little digging, it sounds like my county did away with its elected position over a hundred years ago.
… That’s disturbing
I have to admit I often think about sliding into one of these “prestigious but just need to be likeable with no experience” loophole-esque positions…
But instead of acting like I’m “the boss” and pretending to know what I’m talking about while ruining everything, I’d find the best people in the field and make sure I’m listening to them and supporting them in doing their jobs instead.
Just there to keep idiot managers off peoples’ backs and listen to people who actually know what they’re doing.
I imagine that’s “not how it works”…but still.
That’s how it should work.
Sounds like something from the Old Wild West which somehow was never revised.
Lawmakers rarely update laws. Disability(SSI) hasn’t changed since 1974. The medicaid asset limit is $2,000. If you EVER have more than $2k in your bank, you lose your medical insurance and food. You can’t even pay rent/bills for that small amount. If adjusted for inflation, that $2k would be $13k. That’s enough to pay bills, that’s enough to put a deposit down on a home, that’s enough to do some of the things you could do in 1974 with $2k.
I contacted a Michigan representative about this, and was told they keep the asset limits so low so that only the severely destitute get it… but even the severely destitute can’t afford their bills. SSI pays a whopping $11k a YEAR if you’re permanently disabled, even though they can’t work and paid taxes to protect themselves.
I’m a disability advocate, so very passionate about this.
Hey, some places it’s the county Sheriff that’s the coroner… which is also bad.
Sometimes people die in the county jail… and almost every time it’s not needed to perform an autopsy- it’s just natural causes…
The coroner needs to be an impartial medical professional.
4 years of medical school and a few years of residency (and maybe fellowship) in pathology. So you’re talking 12 to 16 years of post-high school education because it’s becoming more and more common to have to have a post-bacc or a master’s to get into medical school in the first place.
We have to take additional courses and pass every year, as well as take pandemic response training and mass death psychology/procedure. I even got trained for the ebola outbreak 10 years ago. 2 years of pre-med, 2 years of medical and postmortem science, and a residency which is a minimum of a year, but often longer as it’s based on tasks you have to do. A specified amount of autopsied cases, military cases, decomposition, etc. Then you have to pass your state and LARA exams.
The curriculum included classes for psychology, reconstructive cosmetology, and business law too. I’m a Jill of all trades 😅See, I’m planning on trying to steal your business by going into emergency medicine to be a necromancer. (I have done CPR on people that have actually woken up to complain about it…you cannot convince me that CPR/resuscitation is not necromancy.)
If you want an interesting read, look up cadaveric spasms. I’ve been slapped by a dead body.
Phlebotomists in some states don’t need any training. None. If you’ve ever given blood in one of those states this is probably not surprising to you.
Not surprising to me in any way, I did exactly that while in school (among other unlicensed healthcare roles).
Well. Shit.
1 hour video? Ain’t nobody got time for that.
Summarized by AI (ugh):
The “Shipbreakers” YouTube video explores the issue of toxic ships being illegally exported to developing countries for breaking, with a focus on the notorious case of the Norwegian ship, the Tulip. Despite being on Greenpeace’s most toxic list, the ship flies a bogus flag and its first-world owners deny responsibility. Marietta, a character in the video, expresses concern over the double standard of Western countries exporting their toxic waste while refusing to accept it in their own. The video also features Mittu, a shipbreaker who expresses his longing to travel but finds contentment in the present as he watches ships come to be broken down for survival. The scene is accompanied by upbeat singing, highlighting the contrasting emotions of destruction and contentment. The video also shows the dangerous and labor-intensive process of dismantling old ships for scrap, with workers risking accidents and injury to extract valuable resources from the obsolete vessels.
POTUS
Elected positions always have that risk, but normally there is some kind of expectation of relevant experience by voters.
normally
There has been nothing normal about our elective process since the summer of 2015. And it’s only getting more fucked up across the board.
Imagine if voters only voted for responsible people who would make good presidents.
some kind of expectation of relevant experience
heh
One of the really notable things about war is that it’s so rare (if you aren’t the US military or else actively engaged in some ongoing conflict), and the rate of people dying and having to be replaced with brand new people is so high, that almost all the time it’s being done for real life-or-death stakes by people who are learning on the job as they go and have no real experience in what they are doing.
A lot of things about military decisions and events don’t completely make sense why they happened the way they do, until you imagine a whole airline being run by people most of whom it’s their first week on the job, and then you say oh okay I get it now; that’s why that happened that way.
We don’t have time to train people to make good decisions. Let’s just train them to say, “Yessir!”
