Needs too much setup

The whole point of the oil is that a lot of it is all hydrocarboned together into these long chains and loops that bust open real energetically. It’s big and energy dense so it’s hard to produce naturally without a lot of existing chemical energy to store and pack together and then condense over geologic time. I don’t think it’s gonna come together for you in the clouds whatever you do to your atmosphere.

Titan has lakes of liquid hydrocarbons though. Simple stuff like ethane and propane. If we could get the propane cars going mainstream, we could try to talk them into going out there and scooping it up for them; I think there’s a fuck of a lot of it.

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🎶 Until you fall in love with the diamond rain

That looks like it would get stuck on stuff all the time

Wait, hang on. I didn’t mean I want Trump to win. Trump in charge is a global catastrophe. I’m just saying that Ron DeSantis or something, in charge of the machine that’s now been created for Trump, would be a several times worse catastrophe.

I’m saying that defeating Trump is absolutely vital, and that we’re a little bit lucky that it’s Trump, because he’ll be a lot easier to defeat than a lot of other people that might have been in charge of all this stuff that’s been building ever since Roger Ailes had his bright idea, now that it’s come to its fruition.

I used to periodically imagine that it would be funny when talking with one of these people to just out of nowhere tackle them and take their wallet

I never did it and I don’t think I would even if the situation somehow presented itself, but I do think it would be wonderful if someone would. Like bro… you just said that this was okay. How can you possibly be upset about this outcome.

I don’t know why this is so predictive as a general rule, but it seems like most militaries that make it their business to kill women and children and generally attack the innocent, are absolute dogshit when it comes to engaging with even moderately capable armed opponents.

That the I”D”F is this totally fucking useless and disorganized when faced with the task which is supposedly its mission kinda throws it into sharp relief what is its actual mission

This part doesn’t seem totally crazy to me. Actually, Ralph Nader, who has quite a history of getting good outcomes to pop out of the pig’s ear (to put it pretty fuckin charitably) that is Washington, expressed his anger and frustration with people who were seeing injustices like Gaza and not doing anything to threaten the Democrats into better behavior about it. Like I say, not totally crazy.

I feel like the needed additional part for that, though, is some concrete action to induce the change you are aiming for from the Democrats. That’s the part that the civil rights movements had. If you’re just saying “not good enough yet” as a general thing, and encouraging others to do the same, then I think that ramps up the unlikeliness of it producing any good policies, and also ramps up significantly the likeliness of it producing death camps instead.

Not saying you’re doing that; I haven’t gone back and taken any kind of deep dive. But I’ve been conversing with you and I haven’t happened to run across anything that stuck out that looked like “I don’t want to vote for the Democrats unless X Y Z and you shouldn’t either.”

So you know that Trump has plans to start shooting protestors on purpose with live ammunition, but you also think that whether you vote or not isn’t important? Not just “accidentally” crush some eyes or testicles or skulls from time to time, but just outright gun people down en masse, and you’re okay with not doing anything to stop that escalation until the Democrats clear your bar for goodness?

(Actually, more accurately, he has plans to remove the things that stopped the order from getting carried out, when last time he said he wanted them to shoot protestors with live ammunition.)

I’m not trying to be rude about it or harp on this one thing when we seem like we should be allies, but your viewpoint on that sounds shockingly naive. You also didn’t answer my question. If you (or I) are one of the people getting shot, a year from now, because you want to organize for a better world, will you in your words deserve to face those consequences?

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* kick at your front door
how you gonna come
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That too, yes. But my main point is that Trump is such a disorganized moron that I think it’s possible that having him at the helm will undo a lot of the potential effectiveness of Project 2025. Having almost anyone else in charge of its implementation will amp up the terrifyingness level by quite a bit, and it already wasn’t small.

Whether you vote or not isn’t important to me as long as whoever gets elected, you continue to fight for a better world via direct action.

If Trump gets elected, you may start getting shot for fighting for a better world via direct action. Or for many other things.

The Democrats created this situation,

100% true

and they deserve to face consequences for it.

Along with millions or potentially billions of others, who didn’t do anything wrong?

They didn’t say Biden had any part in the genocide, they said:

There is a very real chance that Biden’s unquestioning support of Israel will lead to WW3.

Bibi knows whatever happens, Biden will always have his back. He can’t get that loyalty from any other US president

Those are two dubious statements followed by a third that is explicitly and laughably objectively false. Every US president has had Israel’s back. The idea that Biden is somehow exceptional is the part that is Republican propaganda, not the idea that he has any part. He clearly has quite a large part in it, I think. I would stop short of saying he’s “responsible” for it at this point, although I guess that one is debatable by people of good faith.

But saying he’s a departure from the norm for US presidents because of his nearly-total support for Israel is explicitly false, and is being used quite effectively as propaganda against him in this election, yes. When was there a US president who didn’t support Israel?

Also, I want to get clear on this, too: Are you saying people should be unable to say that this is Republican propaganda? Like not allowed to say that, something is wrong with the forum if they’re allowed to make that claim about you? Or no?

This is exactly why Trump is the best case scenario for all this ugly shit coming to its battle. Think about if they went to all this trouble of laying the groundwork and rigging the media coverage so everyone spends the whole time talking about how Biden’s old and jerrymandering and overriding vote totals with the state legislature and killing the post office and intimidating voters and running multi billion dollar explicitly seditionist media networks and whatever else and what the hell, it works, and he gets a second term.

And then he says, fuck that, we hate Project 2025 now, if I do that then people won’t like me

It’s the same reason some spy agencies put a kibosh on the idea of killing Hitler… like actually, we looked at it, and this guy’s a seriously mentally ill stimulant-addicted megalomaniac in addition to a stone cold moron who refuses to listen to anyone smarter than him, I think we actually want him to be the one in charge of the whole operation.

I think the pure length of it introduces enough delay before encountering the really terrifying parts and might interfere with the punch of the message. I might try to do a modified version with some bold text and larger sections so some of the strong full impact comes across right away, without trying to reduce the detail or the scope

Also, I think it is relevant to repeat the founders’ feeling on it. The “government” doesn’t “let” you do anything. Everyone’s just born into the earth into this wild and semiorganized place, as weird social beings that are half monkeys and half made up of something a lot more inspirational. And from time to time, they want to set up a system they all agree on so they can have clean water and roadways and courts and someone centrally in charge of the economy, things like that. But, sometimes like a few thousand people put temporarily in charge of all that start to look around at all the guns and money in their command and get confused and think they have the right to tell 400 million other people “hey check it out you have to do what I say, I DGAF what you think or of it’s right, that’s just what’s up.” And then when that happens it is the job of the 400 million to re educate them on what’s up.

And you could say that if they don’t, they deserve what happens. But honestly it’s not even a statement of deserves or not, or right and wrong. It is simply a statement of the reality of what happens. Most of things like the bill of rights is understood today as like, what the government is “allowed” to restrict and not, but the founders’ view of it was a lot more akin to, these are some examples of what people will do as inherent parts of their nature and God help you if you try to tell them they can’t, and they become alert and organized.

What, exactly, are you saying happened in this comment thread you’re linking to? And then why it was wrong? I just want to have it straight before I address it.

He didn’t actually say stay off the internet; that was my oversimplified retelling. A little more complete but still oversimplified version would be: Be careful and don’t share more than what you think is safe to share, and try to focus on the real world as much as you can. The real world doesn’t have mass surveillance in quite such a prepackaged and straightforward fashion, and it is where all the real outcomes good or bad will eventually take place anyway, so prioritize it as much as you can.

“On Tyranny” has some great guidance on this, as well as some guidance on how to do what you can to help put the brakes on it happening.

TL;DR there’s quite a lot more, but stay off the internet, get used to making small talk, making eye contact. Know who’s in your community physically and who has your back. Renew your passport, make friends in other countries if you can. Make friends. Stay off the internet.

even taking about issues like this one outside of !worldnews will get you called out for spreading “Republican propaganda” (as you can’t make it seem that Biden and his allies want to expand the current war)

You are constructing a counter factual universe here and trying to impose the weird viewpoint on everyone else by sheer repetition. Talking about Israel’s crimes, in this or pretty much any other place on Lemmy, is obviously fine. I dare you to find me even a single place where someone talks about Israel and someone else chimes in with “how dare you! You are making Biden look bad!” out of the blue, or anything else that is remotely like that interaction.

What people respond negatively to, I think, is a specific gang of accounts that tie every single story about anything somewhere in the world back to “And that’s why don’t vote for Biden!” when the pure logic of it (or of him being happy about Israel’s war let alone wanting it to expand) makes no sense at all.

Israel can dictate the terms, though. They can just say what they want, and keep killing whether or not Hamas agrees.

I won’t say Hamas is a good partner for peace because they are not. (And, in fact, their violence and corruption is part of why Likud supports them above other much better Palestinian leadership.) But Israel is the issue. No one who is bombing, starving, and displacing millions of people who just want to live and be able to stop suffering can simultaneously complain that their victims aren’t being reasonable enough in the peace process.