• mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    I don’t know why people seem to be mad that a fictional story can accurately represent real life like we don’t already have actual real life examples of the same thing.

    Anyone remember Rambo thanking the Mujahideen fighters, which was retracted in future publications.

  • Holzkohlen@feddit.de
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    3 months ago

    Yeah, cause it’s fiction idiot. You know, the thing where we can have clear cut situations that are entirely black and white. Where one side is entirely evil and the entire one pure good. Reality fucking sucks

    • Dr. Moose@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Can’t believe we’re living in a timeline where some people unironically support or even related to Hamas.

      You guys know you’re allowed to disagree with both IDF and Hamas, right?

        • Tinidril@midwest.socialEnglish
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          3 months ago

          The IDF sets up humanitarian corridors as a PR move, then spoils it by bombing them. Humanitarian corridors are not exclusive to the IDF, as with every other example you started with “no other army”. You also are completely failing to distinguish between Hamas and Palestinians.

    • SuperEars@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Hamas was an elected government, in 2006. Elections haven’t been held since. I hope your mention of “elected government” was to say “an elected government shouldn’t behave like this” instead of how it struck me, which was “the electors of that government are more or less responsible for the government’s behavior today”.

        • VelvetStorm@lemmy.world
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          3 months ago

          Hamas was financed by the government of Israel in an attempt to weaken the Palestinian Authority led by Fatah. So Israel can go fuck itself.

            • VelvetStorm@lemmy.world
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              3 months ago

              Do maybe just the smallest amout of research or look on Google for 20 whole seconds and you will see how wrong you are.

                • VelvetStorm@lemmy.world
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                  3 months ago

                  And that does nothing to disprove the fact that the Israeli government funded hamas. Pull your head out of Benjamin Netanyahu’s asshole and actually look into it. The info is all over the place. All you have to do is actually open your eyes and look at it. Going there has absolutely nothing to do with who funded who, but be careful and don’t break your arm while patting yourself on the back, bud.

    • then_three_more@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      Yeah and the Brits did nothing to provoke the Irish into a quarter century bombing campaign.

      Force doesn’t work for ending terrorism, only getting round the table will.

        • then_three_more@lemmy.world
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          3 months ago

          If you think the northern Irish terrorism wasn’t religious I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

          Yes it came to an end when a ceasefire es agreed, exactly as I said. By getting around a table.

          brits actually did

          You say that like Israel didn’t.

          As someone else pointed out, the kind of genocidal force that Israel is applying may actually work, in the same way it worked for the USA with their “Indian Question”. Though that ultimately was a prolonged military and economic attack from multiple fronts.

          The question is are we still in a world that’ll sit by one nation systematically eradicates an entire people?

            • then_three_more@lemmy.world
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              3 months ago

              China is around doing this, Russia does the terrorists you support want to.

              True. The only difference I guess is west isn’t on such friendly terms with those countries. Whereas we’re actively aiding and a betting Israel’s genocide.

              don’t randomly target civilians…

              This is just a lie.

              living peacefully together with the other people in Israel.

              There’s also Israel occupying Palestinian land and actively turning a blind eye to their “settlers” committing violence and murdering Palestinians.

              At political terrorism, wich is exactly what i said.

              It was religious terrorism.

  • Belastend@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    And then he genitally mutilated the women he found, attempted and conduced beheadings and also attacked a festival near that outpost. He also did that years after the last attack, during a time of relative relaxation, knowing well that the reaction would bring destruction on an unimaginable scale to his people. And before that, he aceoted large sums of money from the empire.

    Holy shit, can you stop painting the Hamas as anything other than what a Palestinian IDF would look like? People really look at theocrat8c and fascist8c Organisation and go “ooh but they da freedum faiters, dey must be gud.”

  • Crashumbc@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    No because, Luke blew up a war ship literally trying to kill him.

    The Rabbi’s folk are committing genocide on women and children…

  • Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml
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    3 months ago

    every act of violence taken by an oppressed people against their oppressor to resist their own eradication is morally justified.

  • Cognitive_Dissident@lemm.ee
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    3 months ago

    Except that the rebels didn’t create the empire that they had to destroy, and the empire wasn’t some tiny little swath of land with an oppressed people living on it being bombed out of existence by the rebels.

    The Israeli government and military are committing war crimes on a daily basis and that’s all there is to that. Also Hamas is a terrorist organization and is also committing war crimes, likely on a daily basis, and that’s all there is to that. They both need to be punished for all the evil they’ve done.

    • CptEnder@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      This is ultimately the Jedi philosophy. Only use lethal force to defend oneself or others.

      If the Oct 7 and ensuring events happened during, say that High Republic, the Jedi would be despatched to buffer the warzone. Then meditate between both sides like access to places of worship and settlement zoning, arrest anyone on both sides committing crimes against the Republic (kidnappers and war criminals) which would in turn please citizens on both sides. Then probably install a small Jedi outpost/temple to act as local peacekeepers. All to prevent more death, which is ultimately one of the main tenants of the Jedi Order.

      One could argue Luke’s actions are the result of defense of others needed so direly after years of slaughter and against an indiscriminate killing machine by the Empire that the loss of life, albeit great, was justified.

      • orcrist@lemm.ee
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        3 months ago

        There’s no doubt that Israelis are killing Palestinian people in much larger numbers than Palestinians are killing Israelis. Many people have many views on who is responsible for what, and there are a lot of difficult and complicated discussions that one might have, but for you to forget about all of the Palestinians who lost their lives is just disgraceful.

        • Serinus@lemmy.world
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          3 months ago

          And vice versa. It’s known as the most complicated political quagmire of centuries. If you’re rooting for strictly one side or the other, you’re probably wrong.

          Yes, it’s perfectly reasonable to want the war to stop. Once you start going farther than that…

          Don’t allow people to push you to an extreme because you want to view your argument as a team sport.

          • Tinidril@midwest.socialEnglish
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            3 months ago

            Yeah, fuck those 4 year old terrorists. They didn’t deserve heads anyways. Those terrorists in graveyards deserved to be dug up. Controlled demolition of universities is necessary because most of the bricks are terrorists. If a handful of terrorists hide in a hospital, the only logical thing to do is bomb the fuck out of the hospital.

            Nothing about how the IDF is behaving looks like targeted attacks on Hamas. Military experts everywhere have been telling Israel since the beginning that their tactics would fail and result in mass civilian casualties and a strengthened Hamas. Israel does it anyways because killing civilians is the objective. Destroying homes, hospitals, schools, universities, religious institutions, and even graveyards is the objective. Everything that ties the Palestinian people to their land is being destroyed in a bald faced effort to drive them away. That is genocide, and that is terrorism.

    • hOrni@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      On one hand I totally agree, but on the other I would like to see billionaires on the guillotine.

  • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
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    3 months ago

    And if I remember correctly Luke was wanting to join the Imperial Academy but his uncle kept him on the hydro farm another year.

    Luke was just prior to that even a willing participant of the empire. He wanted to be a pilot, if only to get out of Tatooine.

    • Wilzax@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      Yeah, I want to interpret it as someone posting not only in support of Palestine, but in warning to Israel that their actions are that of the star wars Empire, and that the rebels did eventually succeed in a massive counterattack

      • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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        3 months ago

        Yeah but in this story the “rebels” want to kill as many Jews as they can, as we saw on October 7.

        In this story if there is a successful counter attack, it will be many many more civilians dead.

        The rebels aren’t always the good guys, you know. I mean do you support the Rebels in the US Civil War? Sometimes the smaller power is just a group of assholes that want horrible things.

    • barsoap@lemm.ee
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      3 months ago

      Two neighbors were fighting over a financial dispute. They couldn’t reach an agreement, so they took their case to the local rabbi. The rabbi heard the first litigant’s case, nodded his head and said, “You’re right.”

      The second litigant then stated his case. The rabbi heard him out, nodded again and said, “You’re also right.”

      The rabbi’s attendant, who had been standing by this whole time, was justifiably confused. “But, rebbe,” he asked, “how can they both be right?”

      The rav thought about this for a moment before responding, “You’re right, too!”

    • 1ostA5tro6yne@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      3 months ago

      right? my first thought was pro-palestine, then i remembered my local closet trumper is obsessed with Star Wars and views himself as part of the Rebellion/Resistance and the other interpretation became clear. did we learn nothing from the obama-era liberal harry potter fetish?

      • chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        3 months ago

        I’ve always been more worried of the Empire did nothing wrong facet of the Fandom, but I guess there’s people who think they’re rebellion too. Despite the fact that the rebellion is the one with multiple races…

        Still, there is an odd commonality of right wing propaganda types using fictional movies, shows, and books as if they are reality.

  • Chev@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Fuck that post. It puts even more gasoline into the fire. Break out of the circle of hatred. Stop the war!

    • Vivendi@lemmy.zip
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      3 months ago

      This comment is the essence of liberalism

      Vibes and aesthetics garbage instead of any real analysis. Sounding smart is more important than being one.

      • Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml
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        3 months ago

        “A liberal is someone who opposes every war except the current war and supports all civil rights movements except the one that’s going on right now.”

    • Lev_Astov@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      The problem is it can be just as easily interpreted either way. It should seem to most of us to say, ‘destroying homes creates more martyrs,’ but I’m sure half the people will interpret it as, ‘unprovoked attack deserves indiscriminate retaliation.’ In that, it does a surprisingly good job of encapsulating how complicated the whole thing is…

      • Th3D3k0y@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        That was kind of my issue. Reading this doesn’t make it clear who’s PoV we have here.

      • Tryptaminev@lemm.ee
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        3 months ago

        I dont see how it is complicated. There were people living on a land. Another people came to steal it and started the violence. Since then it committed far more violence while being armed and supported by another imperial entity that wants those people to keep destabilizing their region to prevent the development of a stable regional power that could leverage its resources and strategic position appropriately.

  • testfactor@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Fun fact, whether this meme is pro-Israel or pro-Palestine is 100% decided by what date you consider the “start” of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

    • hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      The history around Gaza and Israel is long and super complicated. The “they hit me first” gets really fucking dumb after like 10 rounds. That’s why most people in the west don’t support the war, they support leaving people alone. Either the gazans or the Israelites.

      War is the ultimate singularity. It’s a black hole that sucks up everyone and everything and there’s literally no positive to it. So if you have a say in it, the only way to cause less tragedy is to stop it.

      On that note, fuck the Hamas for attacking Israel at the festival, and fuck Israel for escalating this into another war.

      • Chev@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        Circle of hatred.

        No matter if it is about a relationship, two political parties or countries. You can only brake out of it,if you commit to not go for the “revenge”.

        • Billy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          3 months ago

          Hamas is a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. It wasn’t “invented” by Israel. And Israel didn’t fund them, but it’s true that Bibi let Qatar money reach Hamas when he could’ve blocked it.
          The belief among some of the ones who supported that, was that better conditions of life in Gaza would prevent them from going to another war - An article about it from 2015

          • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
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            3 months ago

            Mhhh yes which is why israel systematically blocks aid from entering Gaza and the humanitarian catastrophe and restrictions on aid only got worse over the years. Surely israel tried to help Gaza by instead of letting in food, give money to Hamas. this makes perfect sense now.

            NPR is straight up Zionist propaganda.

            • Billy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              3 months ago

              Hamas was the government of Gaza. You couldn’t get anything in there without it getting through Hamas anyway.
              They sure managed to get a lot of weapons and rockets in there, and enough building materials for massive underground tunnels.

              And your dear Al-Jazeera has an article from 2017 that says Qatari money actually did help Gaza Analysts: Qatar supports Gaza not Hamas
              Are they also Zionist propaganda now?

              • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
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                3 months ago

                They sure managed to get a lot of weapons and rockets in there, and enough building materials for massive underground tunnels.

                Yes which why it is obvious the blockade on Gaza was only using the blocking of “smuggled weapons” as an excuse to starve civilians.

                You are destroying your own argument.

                Your Qatar link is irrelevant. Of course Qatar supports Gaza. However Netanyahu asked Qatar to give cash to Hamas.

            • FreddyDunningKruger@lemmy.ml
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              3 months ago

              Well goddammit, we’ve got a genuine freedom fighter here in our midst, waging war against the (wink wink nudge nudge) ZIONISTS. Are you a member of the legendary 104th Battalion, the Keyboard Snipers? Or are you part of that new 88th Battalion, the Fighting Dogwhistle Luftwaffles, deploying out of your parents basement?

    • papertowels@lemmy.one
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      3 months ago

      Yeah I was thinking it was pro Palestine until I read the comments and realized it could be interpreted the other way as well…

      Idk if the ambiguity was intentional, but it’s good lol.

    • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      3 months ago

      can i be pro-both, anti-genocide, and think that both of their ruling parties are fucked to shit

      I think that much be a popular opinion but WTF is happening there

      • TangledHyphae@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        Hamas’s entire goal is to kill all Jews, and take Israel back for themselves (“river to the sea”).

        What do people think is going to happen if Israel just stops? Another Oct. 7th. At what point do people need to address this fact?

        EDIT: Some of y’all should read a Qur’an sometime.

        • Maggoty@lemmy.world
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          3 months ago

          Hamas actually got rid of that from its charter. It stopped making claims like that around the early 2000s and actually revamped their entire charter in 2018.

          October 7th was the direct result of over a decade of Israeli war on Gaza bombing hospitals, shooting protestors, and blockading them. It’s what happens when terrorists try to moderate and go legitimate but get rebuffed.

          And then, the future. Are you really trying to say Hamas has anywhere near the military power of the IDF? That a Hamas led genocide is a realistic thing to worry about? Because that’s ridiculous. Just based on the numbers.

        • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
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          3 months ago

          This is a massive lie. Hamas goal is to get colonizers off their land.

          Hamas has never killed a single Jew outside of israel. In fact it doesn’t kill any people that don’t occupy their land.