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For what it’s worth, Hezbollah has 13 of 128 seats in Lebanon’s parliament, and the CIA World Factbook says about a third of Lebanese are Christian, so I’m going to disagree with your characterization.

Hamas hasn’t held elections in nearly 20 years, so I’m going to disagree with you again. Israel’s accelerated genocide may have galvanized support for Hamas recently, but I haven’t looked into that.

What does this have to do with BBC? Their coverage on the Israeli hooligans had headlines that at a glance made the responses of locals sound anti-Semitic; they didn’t lead with the instigation.

Thank you for your balanced and measured response. What you said is completely correct. I oversimplified quite a bit in my comment.

Who cares what Hezbollah and Hamas think? Israel are bad guys, but that doesn’t make these two groups good guys. I want to hear what ordinary Palestinians and Lebanese people suffering under western-funded violence think.

You need to read some general media sources that aren’t part of your ethnocultural nationalist colonialist bubble.

Yeah, even NBC’s headline isn’t great. But at least it doesn’t open with bogus “antisemitism” wording.

Fortunately the comments have been good. But the actual articles posted in OPs have been awful.

The only stories about this I’ve seen on Lemmy take a very pro-Israel perspective. Have the Israelis started doing to Lemmy what they’ve done to Reddit?

NBC’s coverage, as an alternative, says this immediately after it’s opening statement:

Videos circulating on social media showed violence in the city’s streets, with one video geolocated by NBC News to near Amsterdam’s central station appearing to show people chasing others and physically assaulting them. Separate video geolocated by NBC News showed Maccabi Tel Aviv fans in Amsterdam singing “Death to the Arabs” and “Let the IDF win. We will f*** the Arabs,” as well as tearing down a Palestinian flag.

…which clarifies that the attack was the people of Europe showing that unlike their governments, they do not tolerate genocidal apartheid supporters.

The only stories about this I’ve seen on Lemmy take a very pro-Israel perspective. Have the Israelis started doing to Lemmy what they’ve done to Reddit?

NBC’s coverage, as an alternative, says this immediately after it’s opening statement:

Videos circulating on social media showed violence in the city’s streets, with one video geolocated by NBC News to near Amsterdam’s central station appearing to show people chasing others and physically assaulting them. Separate video geolocated by NBC News showed Maccabi Tel Aviv fans in Amsterdam singing “Death to the Arabs” and “Let the IDF win. We will f*** the Arabs,” as well as tearing down a Palestinian flag.

…which clarifies that the attack was the people of Europe showing that unlike their governments, they do not tolerate genocidal apartheid supporters.

The only stories about this I’ve seen on Lemmy take a very pro-Israel perspective. Have the Israelis started doing to Lemmy what they’ve done to Reddit?

NBC’s coverage, as an alternative, says this immediately after it’s opening statement:

Videos circulating on social media showed violence in the city’s streets, with one video geolocated by NBC News to near Amsterdam’s central station appearing to show people chasing others and physically assaulting them. Separate video geolocated by NBC News showed Maccabi Tel Aviv fans in Amsterdam singing “Death to the Arabs” and “Let the IDF win. We will f*** the Arabs,” as well as tearing down a Palestinian flag.

…which clarifies that the attack was the people of Europe showing that unlike their governments, they do not tolerate genocidal apartheid supporters.

You can watch the video can get an unbiased account including intonation, expressions, and gestures.

Video of speech available here: https://skwawkbox.org/2024/11/03/exclusive-prof-haim-bresheeths-anti-genocide-speech-before-he-was-arrested-for-terrorism/

If you can afford it, you should try to find a therapist. Therapy helps.

Haaretz also reported this story, but with details behind their paywall.

This is certainly better, but it’s unclear to me whether this item:

Denying the right of Jews in the State of Israel to exist and flourish, collectively and individually, as Jews, in accordance with the principle of equality.

…implies that denying the legitimacy of the state of Israel is antisemitic. While I would have been in favor of a two state solution in the past, the genocidal mania of the apartheid state has led me to conclude that two states alone is insufficient, even with monetary reparations, and justice after the recent level of atrocity perpetrated by Israel might require granting Palestinians full government control of the land.

Ah! When we go to the questions further down:

Guideline 10 says it is antisemitic to deny the right of Jews in the State of Israel “to exist and flourish, collectively and individually, as Jews”. Isn’t this contradicted by guidelines 12 and 13?

There is no contradiction. The rights mentioned in guideline 10 attach to Jewish inhabitants of the state, whatever its constitution or name. Guidelines 12 and 13 clarify that it is not antisemitic, on the face of it, to propose a different set of political or constitutional arrangements.

Ok, this is a MUCH better definition. Thank you for sharing it.

Careful, per the IHRA definition of antisemitism, when one says:

As the descendant of a survivor of a genocide, the Holocaust, I refuse to be a bystander to another genocide

they might be antisemitic:

Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

This is the definition adopted by the United States.

Seems like this was a result of Israeli arrogance, assuming it crashed or was shot down rather than recognizing that they aren’t the only ones with effective munitions.

They could choose to take this as a sign that war isn’t the path to safety, or that they just need to also depopulate Lebanon to bring safety. I think it’s obvious which they’ll do, of course.

In Article 49, the Fourth Geneva Convention, adopted on 12 August 1949, specifically forbade forced displacement: Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.

(Short excerpt of the long section clarifying that it’s a war crime)

I don’t think pretending October 7th is the start of history is fair, though. Any discussion of October 7th needs to explore why people might become so angry as to take the actions taken on that day. It didn’t happen in a vacuum; it takes a lot to make people do that to other people.