Watch these cost the same as standard seats, and the cost of standard seats go up
“You’re still a premium subscriber and have full access to our premium plan, but some of our options have changed.”
For what it’s worth: this was apparently a concept created by an airline seat company called Aviointeriors who showed the idea off at trade shows in 2010 (as the “SkyRider”) and 2018 (as the “SkyRider 2.0” pictured here.) Pretty much all the news articles about it are about Aviointeriors claiming vague unsourced “plans” for them to be adopted by some future date, steeped in Aviointeriors’ corporate PR speak, but the articles mostly end up being about the intense public backlash to the idea. No airlines have announced any plans to buy and use these seats, not even those lunatics at RyanAir, and in the years since all SkyRider mentions have been quietly removed from Aviointeriors’ own site.
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The fact this company is still around makes me think someone with a lot of money is trying to promote the concept every so often just to see if the public might finally accept this ludicrous idea. A company being around for 15 years with 0 sales and just a concept means someone wants this to happen but thinks the only problem is that they haven’t figured out the right pitch.
The company sells normal airplane seats and has been around for a long time. This pitch seems to have been an unsuccessful attempt to create a new market they could rule with their crappy invention.
You say crappy, I say wait. My knees won’t have to bend so much. I’d actually take this if I didn’t have kids
Next stage: inject you with strong sedatives and pack the plane with the bodies
I mean honestly though, I’m kinda here for that. It’s essentially teleportation at that point.
I am reminded of The Jaunt where animals and humans can survive teleportation only while unconscious.
There’s sci-fi show (I think it’s “Foundation”) where passengers have to be sedated for their high-speed space travel. Not teleportation, but I think it’s approaching light speed.
Some alien race can handle it, so they are used as pilots and crew of the ships.
This is starting to remind me of the show severance lol
Lowest common denominator…capitalism in crisis. It’s not a joke, man. If they can get away with it, they will.
I mean, I’m broke as shit. So if it halved the cost of the tickets I’d do it, but I’m 99% sure I’d be paying close to the same.
You must be a wizard. Of course the savings aren’t transferred to you. When they fuck up. They put it on the consumer. Time is unwinding. The poor pay more.
I can’t wait to see people passing out or getting injured because of these seats.
E: plenty of people arguing like people of good health will be the only passengers.
What could go wrong standing for two hours… Nothing probably if you’re a healthy young individual
People are often advised to not lock their knees for a long time while standing (ex: marching band, or standing at attention in the military), and you cannot force anyone to have healthy posture. The ergonomics of these seats appear to take some of the load off the legs and feet, but it’s something to consider for patrons with more sedentary lifestyles. Many people believe themselves to be fit individuals until they are placed in uncomfortable conditions for a long time or experience unexpected stress. They could manage to injure themselves in some way, then find some reason to litigate.
honestly might even be more healthy
Only if you do it on a regular basis, not a one-shot like this (if you do not stand a lot usually).
Also, Turbulence!
apparently trombosis is a rather large problem even when flying only occasionally for vacations. That’s what I meant.
But yeah, turbulences could give you a headache lol
See, this is an example of Hopium. Or toxic positive optimism. Tech Bro shit. But I think you’re joking. I hope you’re joking.
How fat you would have to be to pass out from standing for 2 hours?
I don’t know about how much fat it might take, but my 2 knee surgeries and both my deteriorating hip joints, (been searching eBay for a good used hip joint for cheap), tell me that standing for 2 hours is a painful idea.
They will lock in place and you will be gucci for 10 hours
Afterwards you just ask this 6’3 bear like guy to give you a slight kick and off the ramp you slide out like a newborn out of uterus
So would I need up upgrade to First Class to get that kind of service?
I was kicked out of the plane in any class. I don’t think this is class dependent.
It speeds things up if you put a Burger King hat on and enact a scene out of 19th century cotton farm plantations.
People will literally jump to fix your joints for free. Thats how much they love classic American themes
Just wait til they stick these on international flights. You’ll stand 14 hours and you’ll love it, peasant.
I’m skinny and I’ll pass out in less than an hour. Have severe POTS from EDS, heart went into asystole after 35 minutes into a tilt table test and they had to put me back down. I’ve passed out several times in other settings.
So you got a skip journey button and you say this is a bad thing?
Right? And we should just take all the unfit people and just put them in camps and create a perfect society, right? Like, I get angry at America for being so fat, but not because they’re fat. I get angry at how far down the pipeline we have gone of lowest common denominator thinking. To the point where we just eat poisonous food that our body doesn’t know how to process and just stores as fat. Also, capitalism is in crisis. With lowest common denominator thinking add a little slippery slope and the power in the hands of the few with a sprinkling of toxic positive optimism with the cherry of Hopeium and now we’ve got out of touch shithead sundae. I mean, people are claustrophobic and, you know, I think the claustrophobic element makes it even worse when you’re crammed with other people. Some of the outbursts that we see on planes is not just people losing their minds, but it’s also that people are crampacked in a plane. I can see a lot more mental episodes with this type of seating Structure. And I get angry at society cheering on diminishing returns for the working class, while the billionaires are making money over hand over fist. They justify rich people to be in charge of things and to profit, but they still have yet to innovate and give us the future that they said they were going to. We’re being lied to and this is just an example of you getting dominated.
Standing still in place for a few hours is waaay more uncomfortable than pacing and walking around. Shifting the weight on our feet really helps
I can’t imagine how awful these would be, especially with how cramped they’d be packed in (otherwise they’re no smaller than chairs). God, you couldn’t even bend down to scratch your knee.
I remember seeing pictures like this a looking time ago so I’m pretty sure they’re fake bait. At best it’s an idea somebody prototyped but won’t use.
Cowards just need to go all in and hang us under the plane like an overhead roller coaster.
Too much skill and engineering involved. The people that run our societies, specifically capitalist societies, because that’s the only thing that’s left, are too obsessed with the profit motive to actually even attain something like this. Unless you’re just being flown around like meat and your survivability is not guaranteed.
It can even be dangerous for some people to be in a standing position for too long. I have a severe case of POTS caused by a genetic disorder. My heart stopped during a tilt table test, which is where I was forced to remain in a standing position. If I’m expected to pay more for a normal seat just because I’m disabled, that’s ableism.
Shifting the weight on our feet really helps
This is why some people use wobble boards with standing desks. Makes a big difference.
I don’t get it. Why not just have bunk beds and everyone gets to lay down like those sleeper busses in Asia. They get way more people on those busses than with just seats
Velcro them to the walls!
I am sure boarding and deplaning takes longer if everyone is getting into or out of a prone position. The idea might have been standing seats for short flights where turnaround time between flights was a large percent of each trip leg.
Tilt the beds so they fall down a tube onto the tarmac
Honestly, that may actually be more comfortable for me than trying to fold my legs into the tiny rows they have now.
I am super torn here because pre-back-surgery me looks at these and says “the NERVE of these fuckers” and post-back-surgery me is like “Well that WOULD be nice yes”
What about people like myself who have POTS and can’t be in a standing position for too long? My heart can legit stop causing me to pass out if I’m standing for too long.
Then don’t book standing seats?
Why should I have to be forced to pay more for sitting seats just because I have a disability? What if all the sitting seats are fully booked or the plane has no sitting seats for passengers? It’s like intentionally designing a shop with several tall steps at the entrance that would make it impossible for wheelchair users to enter, and the wheelchair users have to pay each time they shop there to have a ramp extended at the entrance so they can enter. It’s an example of ablest design.
This extreme capitalism is absurd and needs to end. People like to pretend that the state taking over industry is some radical thing, but it’s the only way to make it function correctly. Capitalists have not demonstrated an ability to handle anything, they’re like toddlers.
No, the problem is consumers buying the products.
If everybody refused to use the standing seats, they’d eventually HAVE to get rid of them, there’d be no point in having a chunk of the plane empty.
Communists be like, “we must unite to stop capitalists destroying the planet! Now where’s that planet destroying steak I paid for…”
So you do support collective action against corporate tyranny? Lmao
What? What does union organising have to do with consumer responsibility?
My point is that communists love sitting around WAITING for someone to take drastic systemic overhauls, whilst being seemingly unable to control their own consumer habits.
Communists will destroy the planet idly waiting for capitalism to end because “I’m a slave under capitalism, I have to drive everywhere, I have to eat meat”
I never said anything about unions. I was talking about an organized boycott. That’s the only way to achieve what you are talking about.
I really don’t understand what you’re talking about with regard to communists. Are you talking about random people you know?
Maybe you mean folks who say “there is no ethical consumption under capitalism”? I really don’t follow.
Life is more expensive when you’re disabled. That’s not news. But why should you be mad about changes that help other people save money? What you should be mad about is that the savings are turned into extra profits instead of going towards making your tickets cheaper.
I get your point and I believe people with a disability should get a sitting seat for the same price.
However, this can actually reduce the price for the sitting seat as well. As now more people will be able to fit in the airplane. Meaning that more people can share the costs of the plane. The whole goal of this is to be able to offer lower prices by lowering the costs.
In countries with a high amount of competition this is a good thing, of course in places where there isn’t you already have a situation in place where you are already being screwed, and then something such as this won’t help.
Why don’t they do lay-down-only seats? Seems like you’d save the same amount of space or more with vastly more comfort.
The serious non-joke answer is the same as the one for these standing seats: emergency exit speed. When an airplane crash lands you have like less than 2 minutes to get everyone out before the huge inferno happens and roasts people. So for standing seats that pack even more people into an airplane, they have to prove that they can still get everyone out before the deadline. For laying-down seats they would have to prove the same thing.
Not only that, but also the mess it would make. Airlines make good money off of selling food and drinks, how are you going to consume those laying down? Very messily, that’s how. More mess = more time spent cleaning the plane = less time in the air = less ticket sales. Not to mention the loss in drink and food sales from people who don’t want to do that laying down. It’s a lose lose for the airline.
I would pay a premium ticket price to get a lay down seat at the back of the plane and have no food service in that zone. That gets rid of the food sales loss, for which I have never paid for anyway, as I’d be paying a higher ticket price. I guess at that point there is still a concern regarding a mess, since I can bring my own snacks, but it’s not like I would be getting some memory foam mattress with Egyptian cotton sheets with the way airlines would implement this anyway. I’d get a long
pleathervinyl cushion with maybe a standard pillow.It would be worse than what I got in the Navy, slightly, but still better than any shit airplane seat I’ve sat in.
There is already a premium ticket price for lay down seats on large commercial passenger jets. Many of those first class seats go all the way down.
Would you rather die in your sleep? Or with your balls crushed?
I hate to burst your bubble but almost no air disasters happen instantaneously. It takes many minutes to fall out of the sky. Also most air disasters still involve a mostly-controlled descent.
And that’s what you’re waking me for?
I’ve been on enough planes to believe 2 minutes of evacuation time will see 5% evacuated and 95% trampled before the fiery inferno.
Remarkably, it has happened. People suddenly decide to pay attention to authority when they’re in a terrifying situation they’ve never experienced.
What I’ve chosen to glean from this is that I should inflict varied and new terrors upon coworkers to help keep us on track.
excellent, the boss will be proud of the new performance numbers, therapy will no longer be covered by insurance to improve the sense of dread.
Pop me out the side with compressed air like a decoy flare
“Missile inbound. Deploying passengers.”
New ultra economy just dropped. Cheap prices, but when Russian SAMs lock on, you are now chaff.
In the contract: obligation to flail your arms and legs widely for maximum distraction.
Just lean it forward and have everyone slide down and out of the emergency slide.
Another emergency door can’t be that expensive
Why don’t they do lay-down-only seats?
Bigger and older passengers would find it more difficult to get into the top bunk than to ride a standing-only seat.
But it’s all shit regardless. Boeing can barely even make planes that don’t fall apart on the runway. The American airline industry’s fleet is increasingly defunct. The FAA is gutted. Airports are falling into disrepare due to mismanagement. You’ll be lucky to get any kind of air travel in another decade.
The FAA’s goal of zero air disasters will feel like a luxury in the future.
Bigger and older passengers would find it more difficult to get into the top bunk than to ride a standing-only seat.
Wouldn’t the same group have trouble standing for an entire flight?
If only there was some sort of halfway point between lying down and standing up, something which would be easier to than lying down, but wouldn’t be as physically demanding as standing up.
Oh well.
Sounds like something we’ll have to pay extra for. Better not have a disability.
Hmm…
Well that’s one thing I can’t really complain about in Finland, access to physically disabled people. Its honestly pretty great, it’s been in the infra-design and all design mentality for decades.
Anywhere there is public access, you’ll probably also find disabled access.
Like just today, I felt a little bit proud, as I spotted an outhouse built to specifications allowing wheelchair access.
We aren’t the utopia people seem to think we are, but if you’re in a wheelchair, you’ll still get access to nice nature paths on which to be depressed on. So that’s nice.
!remindme 10 years
People too fat
So we’ll have them stand for hours instead?
The next step is to add a treadmill under everyone.
Instead of oxygen masks, the ceiling drops down a cupcake on a string.
This is more leaning than standing. Even a fat fuck can lean for a while
Now, it would be pretty reactionary for me to say that you are wrong, especially when speaking about Americans or even the UK. But we are all a byproduct of our environment and I still have empathy and I don’t want a fat shame But I definitely don’t want to glorify it and I want to find the source of the problem Because people don’t necessarily choose to be overweight shit, I’m a little chunky. I’m a poor Yankee. Oh, also, very interesting, China is a capitalist country and it has an obese problem. This is all just shit on top of shit. Like, we gotta go down this rabbit hole of causation. But people don’t have the attention span. One day at a time, I suppose.
Yeah, since this is a shit post, why don’t they wrap the passengers like a piece of luggage and store them on a shelf? Save so much room… Just give them diapers! /S
An additional $25 Diaper Convenience Fee has been automatically added to your total.
First it’ll be the seats. Next they will remove the floor. Now it’s one of those dangling roller coaster rides without rails! 😃
Apart from the deadly practicalities, and the boring route, that does sound kinda fun ngl.
Honestly I didn’t even realize until now how good the cropping is on lemmy compared to redd*t. holy shit the number of memes that came from screenshots of twitter screenshotted on insta screenshotted on whatever the fuck but this one was profile.
Solution: bring a cheap plastic chair as part of your luggage
And if the plane fails, jump out of the plane with the chair and sit down/stand up as you’re about to hit the ground.
You won’t receive any fall damage during the animation.
(Make sure to check patch notes, this is a 2020 update exploit)
“Second hand coffins, cheap!” -Stan, slaps lid of coffin
I’m over 40 and I usually stand up about half of my working day. But I wouldn’t want to stand in an airplane because it’s cramped.
I’m tall enough I can’t stand up on any plane I’ve been on in the last several years…
