Guys, they already switched to chapo.chat, all you’re doing is emptying your pockets to give to some criminals.
Didn’t their post say that domain name is also in the same situation?
Oh… I missed that, if so, and I don’t care enough to look back into it.
Fuck El Chapo, fuck his sons, and fuck his shitty criminal enterprise.
You realize this is just the name of the podcast the community spawned from right?
And largely moved away from, I might add.
No, I’ve never heard of that podcast but if they named it as a tribute to the Guzman family they can go fuck themselves too.
I mean, it’s in reference, not tribute. It’s not that serious dude.
They chose the name Chapo Trap House in the first episode as a joking reference to the Mexican drug lord Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán and a slang term for a drug house, intending the title to sound like the title of a rap mixtape
Yeah is not that serious, but I have my reasons to tell them to go ride a dick and fuck themselves.
Also we need to stop talking about these people, paying tribute, referencing them, respecting them, etc.
And said podcast hated the reddit community as I recall.
JavaScript and PeePee are really going at it, huh.
I find it strange that they are out-bidding each other like this when there are over 8 days left. I am not too experienced with bidding, but I thought that the normal strategy was to maybe place a placeholder bid if there is no activity, but more generally one waits until the last second to set a reasonably high bid. Going on a 1v1 with fast out-bidding over a week early seems bad for everyone except the seller. Perhaps someone can explain.
I noticed the same - it is strange. And a lot of times they’re raising the prices much more than necessary to outbid each other.
In special, half of the bids come from a single person, j_s_0e6b87. They’re bidding since the beginning, and seem to follow no strategy - sometimes bidding $10 more than the top bid, sometimes way more. Either they’re stinking rich to the point they don’t care about the money, or they don’t really care about the address, and want to inflate its price for whoever actually buys it.
The bidding gets extra time when people place a bid near the end, so you can’t just snipe it.
Ah, bidding technology has advanced since I sniped Tony Hawk Pro-Skater for the Nintendo 64 on ebay. Why start bidding over a week early, though?
Dude I remember the hype around the last 5 mins of a GBA game auction on eBay, only to taste the disappointment when the price like doubled in the last 10 seconds
Nah eBay is still the same (sorry if I accidentally double posted)
I’m kind of tempted to buy it…
Why admit you want to host a Nazi instance? Trump won’t fuck you.
Oh I don’t. I just want to troll the hexbear people. Make it opposite of what they are. It’d be hilarious
The opposite of hexbears ideology would be Nazis, you want to run a Nazi site.
Man Canada needs to just be the US’ 51st state. Birds of a feather and all that.
What? Isn’t it a tanker instance? The opposite is one rooted in western isms. Either that or I don’t know as much about hexbear as I thought
Hexbear is Communist/Anarchist, the opposite would be fascist. That’s the joke.
Hexbear is the tankiest of the triad.
If “tankie” means Marxist-Leninist, then that’s Lemmygrad.ml.
Exactly my point, I get the trolling aspect, but like… Seriously think about it for more then a moment lol.
A silly troll idea would be to do a non-hexigonal and non-bear related imagery lol.
I think the overwhelming majority of Hexbear users would rather the domain go to a silly joke troll like that than redirecting to something like a transphobic site.
I assume the op didn’t mean fascism, but they just bought into the general narrative around Tankie on lemmy being bad lol
But yeah exactly
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Fuck that. I’d rather die than be American.
Wouldn’t the opposite of Hexbear’s ideology be actual Marxism?
What no theory does to ba mfer
It’s a joke - sort of. After all you have people there who support China which has a stock market and an investor class and is the opposite of what leftists should support.
Why did China decide to do those reforms? Any ideas?
0·2 months agoWhat no theory does to a mfer
This is a common talking point among non-Marxists, hence why the other user implied you haven’t read theory. The thing is, Marx didn’t think abolition of Private Property was the goal of Communism, but one of the essential means of getting there. However, this does not mean it should be dogmatically over-applied at all stages in development, to the contrary, Marx’s entire prediction for Communism (and prediction it was, he didn’t design Communism and work backwards, but analyzed Capitalism and predicted what comes next) is based on how markets centralize over time into large trusts.
The goal of Communism is real improvements for the Working Class, the tools we should apply depends on what we are working with. Private Property and competition is a great way to quickly develop productive forces at lower stages of development, while Public Ownership and planning becomes more efficient once competition begins to die out. It’s like growing a vegetable and harvesting it, you watch over it and fold it into the public sector as it grows.
Private Property, like fire, is dangerous if not contained. This doesn’t mean we cannot contain it. If we understand how it functions, we can learn how to use it to better pave the way for eliminating it altogether. As an example, whoever controls the rubber ball factories has far less power than those who control the rubber factory. In the PRC, the overwhelming majority of large industry is in the hands of the government, as well as heavy industry like steel, banking, energy, and more. This is how the government holds Capitalists in line.
Overall, Marxists don’t apply a magical property to public ownership where being poor working in the public sector is better than bring well-off in the private. The fact is, systems must adapt to their present conditions, and change as those conditions change. The PRC, as an example, is seeing a dramatic rise in the cooperative sector of the economy from the Private, and while this isn’t the same as the Public Sector, it is a decrease in the power of Capitalists.
If you want, I can recommend some theory you can read to understand the why of Communism according to Marx and Engels.
No, Nazi.
Hell yeah, we need more ultrarightwing fascist sites!
But that’s what Hexbear already was.
No, no we don’t. But it was $1900+ last I checked, so it’s too big expensive to buy just for the laughs. Well, for me anyway
I thought of a shudder ancap website
🤮 ancap
Cesspool for sale? Nice.
I have the feeling the first thing the new owner of this domain does is to get it the hell away from a domain stealing registrar.
They literally all do this if you lapse on paying your registration fees. It’s not like they seized it for other reasons and then auctioned it. Unlike whichever one we saw a while back seizing a fediverse domain for “CSAM” which literally amounted to a drawing of two high-school age girls kissing.
Someone is going to be left holding the bag with a useless .net domain
Update: it’s now US$1921.00. Some PP (p_p_822628) is trying to outbid JS (j_s_0e6b87), who has been competing since the start.
there’s no way these aren’t troll bids.
I’m guessing one of them is a hexbear admin and the other is a troll.
The admins have stated that they don’t care about the domain, so it’s probably either a troll or the crypto coin people trying to gain the domain.
I’m out of the loop, crypto coin people? Is there a hexbear crypto or something?
Yep, though obviously unaffiliated. It’s why Hexbear is blocked in China IIRC.
Hexbear admins decided pretty much right away not to engage in the auction. The bidding war is probably between someone with too much money and hate for hexbear, and an agent of the auctioneer driving up the price.
Thanks, I updated
PIPI
Can someone explain to me what hexbear is?
Once upon a time there was a reddit sub called chapotraphouse. It started as being centered on discussion of a leftish pro-Bernie podcast of the same name but quickly exploded in popularity and became more about general left politics discussion. Over time, especially after Bernie’s defeat in 2016 it shifted more and more left. The sub became a specter haunting reddit, having over a hundred thousand users. Eventually because they tolerated too much talk of killing slave owners (Spez famously said he thought if the world went to shit he’d probably be one of the people in charge of the slaves rather than one himself) as well as other things like being anti-cop they were banned in a both-sides-bad move along with The_Donald by reddit admins right after Trump lost re-election. This was after being quarantined some months previous. After that they built a lifeboat site for their users to gather at, that site eventually came to be a lemmy instance and eventually even later a federated instance so they were one of the first instances.
It’s a leftist lemmy instance. Nominally left-unity with rules against just launching hate tirades against anarchists or Marxists it in practice leans Marxist though has plenty of anarchists, democratic socialists, etc. It’s strongly anti-imperialist so tends to align with Marxist, Marxist-Leninists more than many (but not all) western anarchist groups on global geopolitics. It has stances that many Marxist parties would take issue with however including communities around drug use (the site is banned in China) and certain ideological beefs not really worth listing out here. It is in other words it’s own unique culture.
In addition to being a leftist instance it’s posters are aggressive. People on reddit constantly complained and worried about CTH brigading (whenever the discourse in a front-page sub shifted left people would say that chapo was doing that) and though organized brigading seemed infrequent compared to how often people suspected it*, many of its users were incredibly active posters and there were a lot of them. So it has a kind of shit-poster history. Whereas some instances would just ban someone or remove their comments, they’ll spam images of a pig pooping on its balls at people they disagree with first. Their way of interacting with those they disagree with is very strident and at times could certainly be interpreted as rude, they’re very blunt and don’t tend to do civil discourse. They can be antagonistic to an extent though it’s not like they’re a harassment site that will follow around an enemy user for days outside of their own instance.
*(it did happen in as much as they posted links to comments and posts they disagreed with until the quarantine when they stopped doing that, BUT they were accused more often than they could possibly do so as most of the sub was not about making posts like that)
And it should be mentioned they did have strong policies against bigotry which were enforced. They also had a large trans community. So they weren’t fascists. They were not reactionaries. They did not have a culture of hate for marginalized groups. I’ve certainly had unpleasant interactions with users of theirs but I’ve also had pleasant ones. Some of them come off as real assholes, many don’t.
A Communist/Anarchist instance.
Thx!
No problem!
It’s an instance for Communists. Unpopular with the liberal/moderate Lemmy crowd.
It’s unpopular with actual leftists as well. Because it’s a toxic mess.
What is an “actual leftist?” Why would Hexbear not count as Leftist?
Personally I suspect that Hexbear is inundated with bot farm trolls, but that’s not what I was getting at. I meant that despite what said trolls insist, one does not have to approve of Hexbear to be a leftist. Many leftists (not centrists or liberals, but proper leftists) take issue with Hexbear.
But yeah, Hexbear also gives zero shits about human rights. They mostly seem to be about breaking up any left-of-center coalitions that they can.
I haven’t seen any evidence for “bot farm trolls” on Hexbear and I use it, but either way the framing of the statement implies directly that Hexbear aren’t real Leftists, and that if one is a “real” Leftist that they should take issue with Hexbear.
Maybe take a look around the call center.
Funny, but doesn’t actually answer anything.
Pretty sure they mean “actual leftist” as in “not just liberals and moderates.” Because there are plenty of instances with an axe to grind against Hexbear for their bad behavior.
Because leftists usually defend human rights, and the authoritarian regimes defended by some people on Hexbear (but also lemmygrad and ml) tend to attack those human rights when they are in the way of their ideology (not unlike the far right politicians).
That’s very vague and doesn’t really say anything though. Why should someone listen to your take on it?
It’s complete nonsense. Hexbear/lemmygrad/.ml have views that are consistent with pretty much every real life communist party, especially those in the global south.
If you don’t like communism that’s fine, but these textbook social democrats proclaiming themselves to be the true leftists are a joke. I think they just like the leftist label without having to actually walk the walk.
I’m aware. The “tankie” instances have stances that are overwhelmingly in line with Marxist orgs and parties worldwide, so the “anti-tankie” users either need to admit to just being anti-Marxist or try to honestly learn more.
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@Cowbee From what i saw, i don’t see why you define yourself as leftist because your upvotes say otherwise and you didn’t apologize nor tried to amend for it because it wasn’t your. But you upvoted it.
It was a post where some hexbear account insulted me.
Don’t know what you’re talking about, to be honest. Do you have a link?
Not much more reasons that listening to yours, we are just some pseudonyms sharing opinions on a public forum.
I feel that your comment was so vague it didn’t end up saying anything though.
Thx!
People who don’t like their ideology tend to say that they are a tankie community. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Thx!
Specifically authoritarian communists, to be clear. They aren’t fighting for everyone to have what they need, they just want to be leaders of repressed people.
Lmao someone’s never actually been there. You basically just described the democrat party
Awwww, someone went as far as making an alt to attack people instead of defend themselves! It’s almost as if what I said is true and you can’t argue against it, only deflect 🤔
This account is older than my hexbear account so that one is actually the alt. And I go on hexbear, I’m not deflecting lol it’s just true. Saying they “just want to be leaders of repressed people” is just laughable when they have things like a mutual aid comm that actually helps people and is probably the most aggressively anti-transphobe instance
How do you argue against an obvious lie? It’s not really worth it.
They’re called tankies
Where is that Parenti quote…
If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.
It was from Blackshirts and Reds.
An extremely outspoken instance filled with people who simp for fascist dictatorships but ultimately consider themselves communist and some socialists.
Most would call them “tankies” due to their willful denial of the 1984 Tiananmen square massacre as “western propaganda” despite non-western sources agreeing it happened outside of China.
Imagine if super outspoken trump supporters had an instance and spent a lot of time trying to lecture other people about how they’re wrong when nobody spoke to them in the first place, then when presented with facts and logic they would respond with gifs, emojis, and a lot of claims that you’re a CIA front/shill.
1989
1984 massacre 700 gorzillion dead gommunism no iphone Animal Farm vuvuzela.
Checkmate tankies.
Moron can’t even get his CIA talking points right
The “June 4th incident” was in 1989, not 1984, and neither Hexbear nor China says it never happened. Hexbear’s stance, and most Marxists in general, on Tian’anmen is that hundreds of protestors and PLA officers were killed in Beijing that day as the PLA advanced towards the square, but that the square itself was evacuated peacefully, which matches leaked US cables and the CPC’s official stance on what it calls the “June 4th incident”. This is a rejection of the commonly reported story of 10,000 people being killed on the square itself, which originated from a British diplomat’s cable. Said diplomat was later confirmed to have evacuated well before.
I reiterate, Hexbear’s stance isn’t that the massacre didn’t happen, but that Western nations intentionally sensationalize the quantity of deaths and the character of the events. This is also why Western Nations don’t frequently report on the South Korean Gwang-Ju massacre that occured around the same era, where the South Korean millitary murdered thousands of High School and College students protesting against Chun Do-Hwan’s dictatorship. All of what I said is backed up by the Wikipedia page for Tian’anmen Square Protests and Massacre, such as Alan Donald revising his estimate from 10,000 to the low thousands yet BBC continuing to report the 10,000 figure:
In a disputed cable sent in the aftermath of the events at Tiananmen, British Ambassador Alan Donald initially claimed, based on information from a “good friend” in the State Council of China, that a minimum of 10,000 civilians died,[237] claims which were repeated in a speech by Australian Prime Minister Bob Hawke,[238] but which is an estimated number much higher than other sources provided.[239][240] After the declassification, former student protest leader Feng Congde pointed out that Donald later revised his estimate to 2,700–3,400 deaths, a number closer to, but still much higher than, other estimates.[241]
Hexbear is (was) an instance that’s become infamous for the awful behaviour of its users in other instances in the past. They are mainly authoritarian communists (often known as Tankies) who like to yell at people for having different opinions and especially love to troll.
To expand on this for those who weren’t around during the days when they were federated with most instances, Hexbear’s users are needlessly hostile towards anyone who disagrees with them, they had a bug that caused their emotes to become oversized on Lemmy which quickly flooded threads when their users spam them, and they have a reputation for brigading threads to “dunk” on people. They also really like to flood threads with graphic images of pigs shitting on their own testicles, because that’s definitely what normal people do.
It’s worth noting that they don’t federate with other instances to participate in good faith, they do so in order to dunk on people and “dismantle Western propaganda” and “plant the beans of truth in other instances fields” and in general act in bad faith. Worse, their instance admins did little to stop this.
They were defederated from many instances for good reason, as their behaviour drove away a lot of new users. A lot of Hexbear users have alts on lemmy.ml and midwest.social, so the defederation doesn’t stop their users from continuing to be dickheads.
And if you’d like some receipts, I have plenty of examples. Best viewed from an instance that federates with Hexbear, so you can see their behaviour for yourself.
https://lemmy.ca/post/3326347 https://lemm.ee/post/4543536 https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/2017079 https://lemmy.world/post/2498330
An instance full of toxic tankies who spam and brigade as their hobby. Nobody liked them except some tankies on lemmy.ml.
I’ve been quietly observing hexbear for a while now and I can tell you with relative certainty that people love to straw man them.
Here is an example:
People say they outright deny the Tiananmen Square Massacre, which is not true. They do believe 300 or so people died in that tragic day. What they do deny, though, is that Tank Man himself was run over by a tank and that people where indiscriminately shot and run over by tanks in the square. They believe the shootout occurred not because China is evil, but because some of the protestors decided it was a good idea to start killing unarmed soldiers.
I’m not going to describe in detail hexbear’s timeline of events and evidence for it, because I myself do not fully understand it yet. But it seems this video somewhat explains it well.
People insist time and time again that hexbear users believe the massacre never happened to the point where they can’t bother explaining themselves anymore because “what’s the point if we are just going to get straw manned?”
People also like to call the massacre a “genocide”, which is a massive overstatement. In comparison with the kill count of the holocaust, the death toll of the massacre is a rounding error. I would like to kindly ask people to stop calling it a genocide, as it detracts from the meaning and intensity of the word “genocide” when it is miss used like that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_genocide_theory
Any who, can’t wait for people telling how wrong I am for supporting hexbear despite never once saying they were right.
People say they brigade other instances, but that’s just because they are very active. In fact, there are one of the most active instances on Lemmy.
This is not to say hexbear users are angels, far from it. They are known to not mix well with other communities, and their site culture can put people off quite a bit, and understandably so. They all also known for their custom emojis, which is a really neat feature their instance has, but they do like to use an emoji depicting a pig defecating as a way of saying “you take is shit”, which is rather unpleasant and quite rude of them.
These are just my thoughts on hexbear anyways. I must say I don’t really hyper analyze any instance, so I could be somewhat wrong, but I don’t really care too much.
NOTE: right now hexbear is using chapo.chat as their temporary fall back domain.
To the moon!
This is a stable investment, right guys?..
Hexbear.net now at 710$ (Update: it’s now 1921$)
figure before $
image shows conventional placement of $ before figure
Can someone explain selective blindness of where to place the dollar sign ($) when correct examples stare people right in the face?
Convention is different everywhere, $ value and value $ are both seen in Canada for example, former being more common in English, latter in French
Like . vs , for decimal notation, people are going to use what they’re familiar with.
$ value and value $ are both seen in Canada for example, former being more common in English, latter in French
Canadian conventions vary by language. In English, I’ve only ever seen $ then figure.
- Canadian government price indexes
- BBC report on Canadian supermarket prices
- photo of multilingual price tag
- price comparison table shows currency symbol £ C$ $ precede figures
The ISO currency code can go after (eg, 1 USD, 1 CAD).
It’s a national convention: Wikipedia claims that in all English-speaking countries (and most of Latin America), the symbol precedes the amount.
If they’re a non-native English writer, I guess that would explain it. An awful lot of people in the US seem to do this, too. 🤷
At least it reflects the way the number is said. How would you “it would cost them dollars 1921”?
The way the number is said? You mean
“dollars nineteen twenty one” or
“dollars one thousand nine hundred twenty one” or
“dollars one nine two one?”
“this thing costs two dollars”
vs
“this thing costs dollars two”
Am I supposed to say those quotation marks out loud or am I just supposed to know how they work when written down?
«this thing costs two dollars»
vs
«this thing costs dollars two»
English writing isn’t English speech & doesn’t model it accurately: for that, there’s IPA.
If breaking established conventions for written English is a ploy to draw attention, then mission accomplished I guess?
Correction: it’s now 2.010,00 US$.
Someone is claiming to be the one of the bidders on hexbear right now
Probably a hexbear trolling other hexbears but w/e 🍿🍿🍿
Losing your domain is elementary…lol
Update? Seems hexbear is online again.
The schadenfreude on Lemmy for Hexbear is somewhat disturbing to me. So you didn’t like them. They are still people. Stop cheering things going badly for them. Do you laugh at homeless people?
I think the cheering is lame, but the instance itself will be fine under a new domain. I don’t think it’s sensible to compare laughing at Hexbear (which Hexbear users are also doing) with laughing at homeless people.
Should have used the word “unfortunate.” “Homeless” was just the first word to come to mind for taking delight in a cruel fashion.
Comparing to homeless people is a very poor comparison. Better to compare to a company with distasteful practices experiencing hardship. And yes in those cases I would laugh.
It’s literally just a domain name after all
I wasn’t comparing them to homeless people, though I see how that was derived. I was rather asking if people are completely devoid of empathy. More like, “do you laugh at the unfortunate.”
