Only map game I play is Worldle. But I’m pretty sure it doesn’t contain neither empire, as they don’t exist anymore. But it’s true I’m a little addicted to it.
I mean, one was Christian, one was Muslim, it’s debateable how significant other differences are.
Who doesn’t know the difference? One is green, the other is purple, it’s simple.
One has a good sword unit early game, the other gets grenadiers mid-to-late game.
OK, now I understand that Yeah Yeah Yeahs song.
Map man map man map map map men men men
Who are you, and where’s the map!?
Obscure and good
If he can lay down a four-belt balancer from memory, you are the side hoe to his Factorio addiction.
Four to four balancer ist easy. How about a eight by eight?
I was about to say this. At LEAST wait for a 6 belt balancer to think the man can’t be saved.
Yeah, my first thought is that the ‘map games’ are the side hoe to my factory game addiction, which is mostly Factorio.
I play Satisfactory instead, but I felt that in my soul.
We may pray to different gods, but the factories must grow.
Her: "He’s thinking about other women now…isn’t he?
Him: “If I rebuilt my rocket control units factory, I could reach a rocket launch every 4 minutes vs 4.5. Then if I optimize my platform in space…”
Platform in space? What what what? Is it time to sink another 100 hours?
100? Barely enough to get to space
Check out the Space Exploration Mod. The Vanilla game is like the first 10% of the mod. It’s truly a lot. It’s so good that the modder was hired to help make the expansion.
I avoid mods for Factorio because it feels like switching from heroin to fentanyl
Probably but if you’re getting your high, is it really so wrong?
:p
All freebasing the dopamine loop. Straight chasing the verisimilitude dragon. Cold bioengineering a 99% pure micro-accomplishment. Dropping into the euphoric liminal pool until immersed in a digital dream you can never fully reach, and never fully escape until you are inevitably forced to surface in the real. Cold and wet with the silt of the riverbed you scream to the Gods ‘‘WHY WON’T YOU KILL ME, I AM, WEAK AND, NUMB AND, INSIGNIFICANT!’’
I have Factorio and Stellaris in my steam wish list but every time a sale comes up I’m still laying plans for a reactor building or organ “donation” center in Rimworld and realize if I buy more of these I’ll just never sleep or eat again.
Factorio has never gone on sale. The price did go up from US$30 to $35 during the worst of the inflation. At some point this year, we’ll get a version 2.0 that massively updates the core game, and has an expansion you can optionally purchase.
Or patiently await version 2 😁
Um, it’s called RTS. Helloooo.
unless it’s civ which is turn based
I wonder what RTS Civ would be like 🤔
Age of Empires II?
Civ is prehistory to futuristic. AoE2 is mediaeval.
Empire Earth or Rise of Nations would be a better answer to @[email protected]’s question.
Fuck yeah, loved both of those. Especially empire earth. Great campaign.
I’ve never actually played them. Would love to try them out, but I’m afraid they’d be too dated. Would love to see them get a Definitive Edition similar to what Age of Empires has received.
I’ve got empire earth gold on gog. It’s an old game, with old graphics, but it’s still fine, tbh. Gameplay-wise it’s pretty timeless, imo.
Total War. Turn based map movement and economy, RTS battles.
It’s probably called a GSG (Grand Strategy Game). Almost all “map painting simulators” are GSGs.
Pretty sure they’re talking about something more like Crusader Kings or Europa Universalis than Age of Empires.
I know what the difference is and don’t play those map video games.
But I do like shoving little soldiers around the table top. And the only thing historic about those is that most of them are no longer being produced.
Big maps, little movement, lots of stuff to track; Hearts Of Iron is made for folks like you and me.
Nah, a 4’x6’ table is a big enough map for me most days.
I’m more of a Total War gamer than something like Heart of Iron anyways. Or better yet: some good old Starcraft, if we limit it to strategy alone.
What is the difference?
The difference between what?
Those map games and shoving little plastic soldiers over the table top?
Those map games are huge, having many armies on the map and managing your state. While shoving soldiers over the table top usually just involves your one army with no state management at all and the map just consisting of the game you are playing.Our context is the tweet in the post and that mentions the difference between the Ottoman and Byzantine empires.
The context is also my comment you replied to. Didn’t know what difference you meant.
To make it simple: the Orthodox Christian Byzantine Empire was the eastern Roman Empire that continued on after the western Roman Empire went under.
The Ottoman Empire is the Muslim Empire that took over after the Byzantine Empire got conquered.
Ottoman’s get free unit production with military schools as well as faster production in blacksmith influence. Also producing units and ageing up gives your expirence towards vizier points, which can unlock special bonis.
The Byzantines get the cistern system which increases gathering rate and can be toogled to eithe faster production or research speed. On top of that they get an additional resource, olive oil which they passivly produce from food gathering and can be used to purchase mercenary units from other factions.
Hells yeah AoE4! I’ve been a Byzantines main since they released that civ as an option. Love the cistern & aqueduct system.
But I think the above commenter was referencing tabletop wargaming, not RTS.
I bet you would love some hardcore strategy games then.
The most hardcore “map game” I’m playing is Total War (Warhammer these days). I do love me some Starcraft though.
I do think that counts. Medieval 2 had both byzantines and turks in almost perfectly opposite colors, purple vs green
Oh right, there was that one also. Somehow completely forgot about Medieval 2 (was more of a Rome player).
But my knowledge of their existence comes more from the fact that I was dumb enough to take Latin in school. We had to translate letters by the German ambassador (Busbecq) to the Ottoman Empire from when he was sent to
ByzantiumConstantinopleKostantiniyyeIstanbul (the wiki-article about the names of the city alone is fascinating).
Hoi4 Black Ice?
While I love the Total War combo of strategic map play + in the field tactical control, I think there are a good deal of map games even more technically complex, but they are incredibly niche.
Starcraft is an RTS with no real grand strategy, I don’t think that counts as a ‘map game’.
I know that they are quite different, my point was that I don’t play those more complex games and usually prefer other genres. StarCraft was an example of that while limiting it to the Strategy genre as a whole.
Sorry, I didn’t fully read all of the comments you’d made before, and my inner nerdsplaining came out.
That and I’ve been awake for… 36 hours now? Hooray for incredible pain.
That being said, StarCraft is great!
Oh, I was just answering the comment, didn’t realize I made the “limiting to strategy as a whole” remark in a different one.
Well, after 36 hours it’s well about time to finally get some sleep.
I was finally able to sleep!
Torn and dislocated tendons suck.
I don’t get it. They’re totally different things.
Ultimately they’re both just large territories controlled by the same city.
I N C O R R E C T H E R E T I C
Just one more turn…
It is ABSURD how long Turkey’s focus tree takes in HOI4 unless you’re okay with making Ataturk cry.
And how could you be?
The problem with the Ottomans is that they just try to walk it in.
Doesn’t sound like you have an Iron Heart with that attitude
It does not. Why do you think all the rich people resort to drugs and shit? They’re just chasing that dragon because they’ve forgotten what it’s all about.
I read “map” as “minor-attracted persons” and was very confused for a moment.
That’s a very upsetting term to hear.
it was a 4chan psyop, created to link LGBTQ+ people to pedophiles. And then some pedophiles coopted it. Ever since then some right wing idiots point to MAPs and go: “you actually want pedos to join you”, eventhoigh they have never been allowed to any pride event im aware of.
Yeah, it’s basically pedophiles trying to rebrand themselves. You don’t hear it much outside a few open pedophiles on social media and the whole radqueer community. If you’re on one of the few instances that don’t block them there’s even a radqueer Lemmy instance if you’re curious how messed up they are.
Gross. I think I’ll happily steer clear of that.
How they hell would anyone not know the difference? It’d be like not knowing the difference between Taylor Swift and Madonna.
I know I learned about them twenty years ago but I don’t recall anything about either of them anymore, so that’s how I can’t know the difference anyway.
It helps that They Might Be Giants wrote a song about it. Constantinople was the capital of what we now call "The Byzantine Empire’’ (at the time they just called it ‘The Roman Empire’) Istanbul was the capital of The Ottoman Empire. And as everyone knows. Istanbul was once Constantinople.
Constantinople was also the capitol of the ottomen empire, the name change came after ww1, when attaturk Formed Turkey
Why did Constantinople get the works?
Yeah, it’s a pivotol part of European history that has ramifications to the present day. It’s like not knowing the difference between England and a second thing.
As a high school graduate I can totally tell you the history of Europe.
So first it was 1066, then the Victorians, then the second world war, then it was now. That’s it, all of European history. Now perhaps some Americans think another historically important event occurred, but it can’t have, because no one mentioned it.
And the scariest part about history I learned in school is that the Vikings always took over the world because they don’t need a Cassus Belli.
I think some other stuff may have happened, but none of it was really oil/freedom related so we learned about confederate generals and Mormon pioneer history instead.
Most people don’t have a clue. I remember mentionning the word byzantine at the dinner table when I was a teenager and was told “you play too many games and read too many books, this is reality, there’s no such thing as a byzantine”.
When I showed them the wikipedia page about it, “it’s not because it’s on the internet that it’s true”. Yet here we are, in 2024, where they are glued to facebook believing some of the wildest things.
Well clearly the Earth is flat because here’s a picture of some water reflecting off a puddle, and that totally proves it apparently.
I mean, there was no such thing as a byzantine. That’s a name we came up with in the modern era to help distinguish between “roman” empires.
To expand on that it was during the enlightenment in the early renaissance where people had a boner over the Roman Empire but still thought the medieval Roman Empire (Byzantine) to not be cool. So they came up with a new name for it. A declining empire that had a massive beauracracy, spoke Greek and had the wrong brand of Christianity (Orthodox) is not nice enough to create a glorious image like the Pax Romana did.
This of course made a lot of people upset in the then Ottoman empire since they identified as Romans but were not counted as Romans according to western people. Think “You’re not Romans with a glorious history, you’re Byzantines” even though they clearly were.
For extra fun the Byzantine/Roman distinction is also unfair.
- Eastern Rome always spoke Greek, even at 200AD.
- Orthodox and Catholic were the same pre-schism.
- During the decline of the Western Empire the capital was moving a lot anyway so “based in Rome” was soon outdated.
- During the decline Italy was just another province anyway so “based in Italy” was soon outdated.
- They were literally the same thing except one half managed to fuck their shit up while getting invaded by hordes of tribes at the same time.
invaded by hordes of tribes at the same time.
Too much treachery. Maybe if they stopped assassinating their rulers and managed their funds better by continuing to properly fund their military and continuing to pay off the tribes they could’ve lasted a bit longer.
It’s so wild that they survived the Year of the 4 (and 5 and 6) Emperors when you think about it. The entire empire nearly collapses in the third century and what do they do to the man responsible for restoring it? They assassinate him. Or if it’s not the emperor then it’s the head of the military who had been responsible for holding off multiple tribes, negotiating with them and attempting to keep the city of Rome from being ransacked (unsuccessfully). And then you assassinate the emperor responsible and then the new emperor decides to provoke the biggest tribe of them all.
Maybe it was a good thing that the Roman Empire collapsed. I just wish it had happened before empowering a cult.
It was. There are no good empires.
Of course, instead of the Republic reforming you got a thousand years of warlords calling themselves kings, but that’s how it goes when people listen to Popes.
Fuck their shit up by inventing systemic racism
Humans are pretty racist by default until they realise that everybody is actually also a human being. “Barbarian” is just a different word for “sub-human” that was used back then. Nowadays we use racial/ethnic/religious/housing status or whatever negative term that’s out of the person’s control to justify instead.
What’s fun to me is that Barbarian literally means hairy, referring to cultures that didn’t wear beards as superior
Oh it’s cute you think the Roman’s invented that.
Also very curious considering that racism as we would recognize it doesn’t have its seeds planted until the 15th century AD.
Yeah, I’ve noticed there’s this weird cross-section of people who ask “do you believe everything you heard on the internet?” about some pretty established facts, and blindly believing Fox News.
It’s a logical fallacy, aka a debate trick for stupid people. Appeal to authority (something can’t be true unless it’s said by someone with the authority to be right) plus a claim that source doesn’t have the authority to be right. Another version of this is when someone acts like citations are proof (or a lack of citations is a disproof).
It’s just Left Turkey versus Right Turkey, isn’t it?
Well
More like West and East these days. They’re pretty thoroughly right everywhere now.
