The interesting thing is how people find ways around my politics filter all the time by using abbreviations. Is there no way to keep politics to the politics channels folks?
Kamala is the best version of a normal politician fighting against Trump. It remains to be seen if that’s enough, because he’s just so goddamn weird that it’s difficult to even compare Tool A to Problem B.
I think she’s incorporated virtually all of the strengths of any of her comparable peers, and almost none of their weaknesses. I think that, given the nature of the opponent and his total lack of seriousness, she said everything I would reasonably hope she would have said during this debate.
I also think that I don’t properly understand the collective psyche of the American electorate. I don’t understand how the election could be this close, when it is a choice between a serious, competent, passionate, talented professional, and a man who is literally a collection of all of the worst possible traits a person could have. That it could come down to such a narrow choice is a mystery for the ages.
I streamed it while I was working on other things but I thought it was pretty hilarious. Kamala seemed to be intentionally pushing Trumps buttons to derail him and he just could not accept that he is not universally loved.
Honestly though, given how Trump lies and Kamala was putting on a show the whole thing seemed so cynical and pointless. I’ve watched every presidential and vice presidential debate since Bush Jr.‘s second term even in the "good ol’ days" when it wasn’t just a sound bite circus very rarely was a president even able to achieve the lofty goals they pitched the American people on.
The whole thing is farcical in 2024. The lack of shared reality the Trump era has ushered in makes it next to impossible to trust anything a politician says. Kamala had spunk and moxy and was very down to earth and likeable, but policy wise she made a lot of statements the presidency doesn’t have the power to deliver on. Even with the insane power the supreme court gave the executive branch a few months ago.
Trump was Trump. It’s pretty clear how much his brain has rotted when you compare this debate with the one he had with Clinton. But otherwise you can’t trust a single word he says. His position on any matter is irrelevant because he’ll retcon it later if it’s inconvenient. Meanwhile Kamala vowed to continue helping our frenemies do some ethnic cleansing and spent most of the debate posturing for the idiots to stupid to already have an opinion.
Not American but Bernis is the president we deserve
Nah. He’s a sheepdog for the genociders too.
That’s a good split mate, if we have Bernie they can have Trump as many times as they want.
Who is we if you’re not American?
Blud thinks hes on the team 😭 🙏🏻
Completely and utterly masturbatory. The reality is that the US is extremely polarized politically because the living standards are collapsing. There are basically two competing narratives for why that’s happening, and people subscribe to one or the other. The democrats and republicans have fundamentally different world views, so nobody is going to be swayed by the debate. People who subscribing to each respective view will hear what they want to hear.
People who will vote for Harris are the ones who think that the dems have been doing a good job for the past three and a half years, meanwhile people who aren’t happy with the way things develop will vote against them or stay home. It’s that simple.
The democrats and republicans have fundamentally different world views
Correction: the democrats and republicans have fundamentally different standards of decorum and of how close they can be to the stench of the consequences of their highly similar world views without turning away.
Fair, it’s more that each one sees themselves as being an antithesis of the other.
I’m not American so my opinion doesn’t matter, but anyways…
Harris obviously better than the deranged lunatic Trump. I don’t think much more needs to be said on that.
Harris is still a liberal/centrist though and I’m a leftist so I disagree with many parts of her platform.
Predictably, it was a shit show. Trump was doing his normal routine of batshit crazy stupidity. Harris was level headed and sensible, minus the bit about the “most lethal army” and pro fracking stuff. It’s mind boggling to me that to think that it will sway votes. How could you possible look at these options and change your mind only after the debate? But at the same time I know it doesn’t matter, I know that there are still people who will somehow be swayed.
Got Liz and Dick Cheney
Yeah, I checked that off my bingo/drinking game as well
Didn’t watch it, but the headlines, posts and memes are prime choice so far!
But one thing I haven’t seen mentiones yet is something I only stumbled upon when a browser was showing headline snippets. Harris outright said that both she and Walz are gun owners, they’re not “taking anyone’s guns” and outright told that orange turd to stop with his blatant lies. As a blue gun owner…then fills me with joy.
Was working during the debate, but caught a few seconds of it here and there while delivering.
Trump looked really tired, like he missed his afternoon bump.
Kamala looked like a fighter in her prime.
Just a shallow perspective from someone who tried to avoid the debate as much as possible.
Trump started off coherent, but ~30% in he went of the rails.
Kamala on the other hand looks like she has no strong values, she doesn’t seem like a Dem candidate. What kind of Dem candidate is pro fracking? Kamala honestly seems disingenuous.
Trump on the other hand didn’t form more than 20 complete sentences, so I can’t really call him disingenuous because he doesn’t seem to stand for anything
Yup here we go with the they’re equally bad fallacy
They’re both going to make us all part, parcel, and accomplice to genocide, so… Yeah. That’s kind of my entire angle right now, is “who is going to make this aberration against history end faster, and who is going to end the cycle of genocidal settlerdom this country perpetuates faster”. By any means necessary at this point.
Genuinely, I won’t even consider social, domestic issues until it becomes clear to me that genocide has finally become a non-starter for the average Amerikan liberal; I no longer care. Either the genocide can end, or “grill-pilled” brunch-goer Amerikans can start getting uncomfy.
I think it’s time to watch the party die.
fallacy is when real thing I don’t like
What kind of Dem candidate is pro fracking?
One who exists in a fucked up electoral system where the entire fate of our country rests upon a few thousand votes in western PA.
Your racist grandpa vs an ivy leaguer who brags about having a small business owner in her life (she grew up with a nanny)
Also jesus both of them trying to outracist eachother. Kamala might be beat on the home front but she makes up for it on the world stage.
‘Trump is gonna pull us out of Nato’ and Kamala will ‘make the US Venezuela on steroids’. I dont know why each candidate is trying to convince me to vote for the other
Israel policy is generally not about race.
Tell that to the 300,000 dead Palestinian civilians
Kamala is in favor of a two-state ceasefire solution
She sure says she is. So does the Biden administration, while it is supplying Israel with the weapons and protections it needs to commit the genocide.
!remindme 2 years
Be sure to @ me when you come back!
I hope you’re still on Lemmy when it happens, this is gonna be really funny either way
One of them talked about a Marxist who will get rid of Israel within 2 years and wants to defund the police and give everyone healthcare and provide transgender operations to illegal immigrants, and the other talked about a person who hates the US military, admires China’s handling of COVID, and wants to defund the police and pull out of NATO, and I just wish I knew the names of either of those candidates because they’re both way better choices than what we’ve actually got.
Yeah, wish we could vote for those candidates.
The question is, does making the US Venezuela on steroids also include pulling out of NATO?
The moderator are giving Trump so much time. They won’t control him at all.
Absolutely bonkers they won’t enforce the rules. Mute his mic and ignore him.
I haven’t verified it but I read on another post that the Harris campaign specifically asked for the mics to be left on during this debate. If that’s true, it stands to reason that she wanted them to be lenient with Trump, so that now he can’t pull the “They didn’t let me talk!” bullshit when talking about his less than stellar (generous way of putting it) performance.
Sun Tzu nods, wisely.
Absolutely negative levels of love for Harris here but facts. “Never interrupt your enemy while they’re in the middle of making a mistake.”
got the feeling he is not using it for his own benefit
Yes, and he still lost handedly. That extra time was all rambles and nonsense. I think in the end it was better.
(Yes, I still would have preferred they muted him, ultimately).
What does it mean to lose? I guarantee that Trump supporters disagree.
“see, I don’t have a nose anymore, but it’s worth it because he owns the liberals… it’s happening any time now, just wait and see”
The LWV (League of Woman Voters) sponsored the United States presidential debates in 1976, 1980 and 1984.[60][61] On October 2, 1988, the LWV’s 14 trustees voted unanimously to pull out of the debates, and on October 3 they issued a press release condemning the demands of the major candidates’ campaigns. LWV President Nancy Neuman said that the debate format would “perpetrate a fraud on the American voter” and that the organization did not intend to “become an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public.”[62][63] All presidential debates since 1988 have been sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates,[64] a bipartisan organization run by the two major parties that some argue has established rules with the intent to exclude airing candidates associated with other parties.[65]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Women_Voters
History - 1970-2000
I hate them.
trumps only vision is division
