It’s impressive how duckduckgo manages to be so much better than bing despite being a frontend for bing
I mean… you went to Bing to search for a program. That’s something that a new or inexperienced user would do, and Bing tried to help. It gave a direct link to the software (a link which I just tested to be working and safe on a virtual machine), it instructed how to do it using the official website, and then as a third option, it gave a link to the website.
I know that a lot of people will automatically assume a site like Softonic is loaded with malware (and I don’t have the time to refute all of those claims) but the download they provided of the software was just a mirror of the official download and came with no added malware, spyware, or adware. Use at your own risk, but OP is pretty clearly fearmongering in an attempt to get people to give them internet points.
This is absurd.
Typing “Logitech unifying software download” in the address bar is massively less effort than navigating their shitshow of a site. It’s not a sign of inexperience in any way.
Allowing an ad with any third party download is an insane policy, and it is not a legitimate practice at all to use an unreliable third party with a well deserved bad reputation to download software in place of the manufacturer.
Isn’t this the same as Google?
Stract.com open search engine a guy built in his basement. It is not perfect but feels like Google used to in the late 90s, when you had real results
tbf it seems to be a common issue with search engines atm. brave also has the stupid ai response topmost, and startpage without adblock pushes in so many sponsored results that you need to scroll to get to anything else
I feel like most commenters here would think “no one wants the stupid ai response”, but obviously some people like it or they wouldn’t do it. I think if your searches are more general kind of “can I catch chicken pox from chickens” type questions it might be helpful ?
Except AI is famously unreliable with the accuracy of its answers.
That’s true, but I think people still appreciate it… like it’s accurate enough, enough of the time, for people to find it helpful.
That’s why it’s dangerous. If it were wrong 99% of the time people wouldn’t trust it. But being right most of the time risks people depending on it and acting on bad information which can have severe consequences.
My point is, it seems like moat people disagree with you given that search providers put this stuff in their results.
Most states charge a regressive sales tax. By your logic, the fact that people don’t refuse to pay sales tax at the register proves that people enjoy it!
Nonsense. Your metaphor is not analogous.
Sophisticated tech firms do extensive analysis with reference groups, A/B testing, et cetera.
Guaranteed, they’ve found that they get better engagement with their product through these AI results.
This might shock you but a group of 14 year olds complaining on Lemmy is not an indicative sample of opinions.
Hm. Let’s see what I get.
And here’s another one for good measure:
AI: to catch chicken pox from chickens rub live chicken on face
Bing does not allow for exclusion of specific phrases by using hyphens and quotes. You can put them in your query, but they will be ignored.
Searching for: Topic -TopicSimilar
Is identical to: Topic
Okay, totally off topic…what is it with this annoying trend of censoring a company/name with an asterisk when it’s a subject of ire? It just bugs me - and not in a way that focuses my anger to Microsoft.
speak of the devil and he shall appear
With stuff like Tesla and Twitter, it can keep away the weird nerds who search those terms in hopes of white-knight-sealioning a conversation into oblivion. I think it just became part of the lexicon.
Sealioning?
Have you ever heard a sea lion? They’re super loud and they all get together and bark.
Ahahaha that’s great
https://amp.knowyourmeme.com/memes/sea-lioning
Sea-Lioning is an Internet slang term referring to intrusive attempts at engaging an unwilling debate opponent by feigning civility and incessantly requesting evidence to back up their claims. The term was coined in September 2014 by anti-GamerGate Internet users to mock perceived online discussion tactics employed by GamerGate supporters.
hisssss
use this link: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sea-lioningDang, that comic will be ten years old next week.
I gotta be honest, the sea lion is not the bad guy in this comic. Lady randomly says some racist shit, and a member of the group she’s being racist against calls her out for being racist. And then the fact that the sea lion called the racist out is apparently justification for the initial racist statement.
Sea lion is slang for a type of behavior a person exhibits not an immutable characteristic of the person like the color of their skin. They didn’t have to prove the behavior because the behavior expressed IS the behavior.
Racism justifies harassment and home invasion? I don’t think I can necessarily agree with that. Consequences, yes. But harassment? I’ll have to think about it.
The point Malki was making, I think (and the way I take it) is less about the purpose or content of the discourse and more about the harassment veiled in false civility as a means of silencing discussion.
There’s also an element of Person C inserting themselves into a private conversation between Person A and Person B, even if that conversation is being held in a public place.
Pretend he’s not a sea lion, but a conservative, and you’ll get the intended effect.
Racism justifies harassment and home invasion?
You realize internet sealions don’t actually invade homes?
You realise the harassment stops if you don’t respond?
I realize that. The person above seemed to think that everything in this clearly allegorical comic is somehow intended to be taken literally.
Racism justifies harassment and home invasion?
Yeah. Not gonna cry over what the victims of racism do to racists.
and more about the harassment veiled in false civility as a means of silencing discussion.
How is the sea lion silencing discussion? They weren’t discussing anything, they were having a racist circlejerk. The racist lady said a racist thing and the sea lion invited discussion by asking, “Why did you say that racist thing?” and then they refused to actually explain why they’re racist against sea lions, treating it as self-evident that being racist against sea lions is correct and thus that it is unreasonable to question it.
Pretend he’s not a sea lion, but a conservative
He can’t choose not to be a sea lion. This is kind of incoherent. “Pretend he’s not black, but a conservative.” This sea lion could also be conservative, that doesn’t really have anything to do with the fact that he’s being criticized for immutable properties he was born with, not for anything of substance.
Not gonna cry over what the victims of racism do to racists.
Eh…I dunno. I’m not going to tone police anyone, and consequences for bad actions are definitely good, but do two very-wrongs make a kinda-right? I’m not sold.
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Look…if you don’t vibe with the comic, that’s fine. It’s just obviously not about all the stuff that you seem to think it’s about.
Again sea lioning is a type of behavior not a type of person or being. As a form of humor they rather than have a person embody the behavior be a literal sea lion because whimsical tension between the metaphorical sea lion also being an actual sea lion is funny.
The inverse of this is that people who filter out specific words in their feeds will be tricked into seeing it. You get to piss off 2 groups of people by doing it!
Get two birds stoned at once!!
Honestly, it’s better than: fck, blly and s*icide
Those are generally used for bypassing filters on TikTok and Instagram
But like, come on man, no matter how much you censor it I know the word and I get the message. Because that’s why you wrote it, you want me to read and understand it
It conveys “I have such a disdain for that thing that I’m asterisking its name like it was a slur or swear word”.
I’m not a big fan either, even if you can find some secondary roles for that (as keeping someone from finding it, like ilinamorato exemplified). It distracts the reader from what is being said to the author’s personal opinion about what is being said.
I like the classic Usenet “Micro$oft.” Producers of Microshaft Wind-blows.
Don’t forget Microshit’s renowned Orifice software suite!
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I only ever use Michaelsoft Binbows.
It’s ironic, except for when we’re talking about the Fr*nch. It’s self aware humor that you’re being ridiculous. The tone it’s supposed to convey in situations like thisis that you’re being hyperbolically obtuse.
Yeah, that Franch dipping sauce in Breaking Bad was crazy!
Kagi
Clean up your tabs please. Omg
The “Delete tabs after 1 week” has been great
Nah, I like to suffer.
(I don’t use tabs on mobile so I forget they exist)
Lmao
This is the first time I’ve seen Kagi, I’ll check them out. I’ve been pretty happy with SearxNG.
I really love Kagi, it’s been worth the money for me!
I can block results, re-order result priority, enable or disable any feature I want, and their AI summary feature is actually good and is locked behind a click (Quick Answer) so it doesn’t trigger on every search. Also obviously no ads and no tracking.
No joke, I hesitated to even click on the thumbnail. That’s what this bullshit modern internet has conditioned me to do.
Google is even worse.
is it based on your searches or something? both in the browser with fingerprint protection where it thinks im from Usa and from the one where it detects my correct location the first result is from logi.com. I really hate bing, specially since they started pushing ai, but dunno, doesnt seem like the normal user experience what you are getting.
Should’ve just asked your trusty copilot 🤖
Wow reading through these comments makes me a little sad. Most people still don’t know jack about search engines or how they differ under the hood, or eve just how to add them into your browser search bar. Looks like all the effort I put into that that simple search engine guide was in vain.
Thanks
Yacy seems to be what I want but I am worried about the content that would get indexed
Well that was a spectacular read in your link, keep calling attention to it, 'cause it’s gonna be a constant drip-drip-drip of people finding out. I didn’t know, but starting today, I’m gonna experiment with SearXNG as my primary search engine, see how that goes!
Oh my god that’s amazing. Instructions on how to do what you’re literally doing, dead internet theory is so correct. Instructions for robots by robots
On robots.net too
visiting their website, they have ai generated images on the front page
That’s amazing I was just looking at the image
Unpopular opinion: dead internet is not only real, but GOOD. Once robots get good enough to autonomously sign up for websites and make convincing posts, this will force us humans to go actually outside, make friends, form deep social relationship, and build lasting, resilient communities. Meanwhile on the internet, websites that are willing to allow AI content for money will eventually die out due to lack of actual users. The only remaining websites will be run by individuals and organizations with non-profit motives, and a strict human-only policy with verification based on word-of-mouth / invite system.
The economy was always bots buying from other bots…
High-frequency trading has entered the chat.
What chat?
On most chat platforms when a person joins the channel/room/whatever a notice will be sent to all users indicating the user entered the chat. It comes from old IRC servers.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Has entered the chat
I’m extremely wary and nervous about how disruptive LLMs can/will be but one relief is just getting an answer directly for things instead of wading through page after page of SEO optimized BS. Just really nice when you can get a quick answer and get back to the things you want to be doing.
I suppose the AI overlords will screw that up somehow too but IMO it’s at a brief moment of usefulness.
If the answer is even correct. Friend tried to use it to see what laptops with 4k screens cost and all 3 options were in fact, not 4k at all because the AI is dog shit :)
No that’s very true, I had it look up leather repair shops not too long ago and it listed six completely fictional shops with fully fleshed out trip-advisor style blurbs for each one. It was hilariously convincing and a complete waste of my time. But it does seem like that happens less and less lately.
Thing is, you never have any clue whether the AI is telling you something even remotely true unless you go behind it and trawl through six pages of shitty SEO-optimized bullshit anyway. So you can either take its word at face value and potentially be completely wrong, or else just do the research yourself anyway and ignore the AI answer.
Personally, I choose the second. I find it to be less frustrating if I just assume the AI is wrong.
This is kinda how I’ve come to look at it. You cannot ask questions of fact to a machine that works in probabilities.
Well said, I like that.
I’m a geek, always around computers, gaming, tinkering, etc.
Once I moved for work, to Spain, didn’t know the language. My laptop broke, like, when opening it, the plastic was fatigued and the screen just bent.
I was broke, expensive training… Couldn’t replace it before a few months.
So I went to the bar of the inn I was starting at. And just, tried to pick up some words.
Long story short, after a while I knew everyone in town, had many friends, and after work, laptop or not, I would go to the bar. I got fluent in Spanish too.
Happiest time of my life. I don’t think my mental health has ever been as good as back then.
Enshittified internet and software made me no longer obsessed with technology, and instead I focused on other hobbies. And it also made my socialize more.
this will force us humans to go actually outside, make friends, form deep social relationship, and build lasting, resilient communities
There is no chance it goes that way, how is talking to people outside even an option for someone used to just being on the internet? Even if the content gets worse, the basic mechanisms to keep people scrolling still function, while the physical and social infrastructure necessary for in person community building is nonexistent.
Boooo, this is just diet accelerationism! Let me have genuine online connections in addition to my IRL ones.
what’s even the point of a download link if you don’t have a guide that tells you how to click the link
Mainstream search engines (google and bing) are completely useless. Alternatives ftw.
I wouldn’t call bing mainstream
sadly it seems that most other search engines (like ddg) can be quite lacklustre in their image results
DDG image search feels a lot loke Google image search 20 years ago. Absolutely wild stuff that isn’t even related, or just straight up porn in the reaults.
Spot on
Yandex used to be really great. idk bout now though.
