So, considering this is Lemmy I’ll clarify. I’m not talking about your neighbor who voted for Trump or your uncle who’s always been a dick. I’m talking about coming in contact with a deep down evil scary human. I’ve only met one that I can think of. When I was 12 or 13 I spent a ton of time at my best friends house. He lived on a big beautiful rural property with his dad, a few brothers and always one or two random dudes. His dad was a good electrician and a biker. So, he always had friends/associates hanging around. So one day I was staying over for a long weekend and we met a new guy his dad was housing for a week or two. Dude was a real full fledged nazi. Had a swastika under his eye and tats all over most of his body. He was from California I guess. He was “working” with my buddies dad for awhile. Anyway, the main interaction I had with him was when he pulled my friend and I in for a sermon. We were going to go hunt squirrels and do rural kid shit. He stopped us outside and had us sit on the porch. Spent about 20 minutes explaining all the things youd imagine a nazi explains. Moslty about catholics, jews and blacks. My friends dad came out after awhile and told him we didn’t need to hear that shit. He sent us away, but, I never forgot the look this dude had in his eyes. It was like the look of complete bordem mixed with extreme anger all the time.
I’m with Hannah Ardent on this, true evil is banal and its ubiqutious.
I’ll buy some bullshit coffee and not donate that to MSF, I’d classify that as evil writ large, I have seen evil and its in the mirror each morning… Spend money.on Spotify or save a life ?
An example, its estimated 600,000 children have died since US Aid was cut and an estimated 22 million deaths by 2030, how many before it’s a holocaust? Think about the weight the deaths of 600,000 children (so far) should carry, vs the weight of what it actually carries. Then you need to start to question what evil actually is.
Aside from proeslitization, is the averge person that different to your swastika tattoo’d interaction ?
For example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shake_Hands_with_the_Devil_(book)?wprov=sfla1
Im an atheist, the quote on the inside the cover of Romeo’s book … Paraphrasibg “I know god exisits, because i have looked into the eyes of the devil, sat across from him and shaken his hand”
I have a couple of examples, but here’s one that’s close to my heart (and that, sadly, hurts my heart).
I know someone who overheard the following conversation in a workshop on global policy. In one of the tables, there was a prominent doctor and one of the richest people on Earth.
The workshop went on as normal, until at some point the discussion turned to poverty and malnutrition. The rich person asked “What do you mean, malnutrition?” and the doctor politely explained the basics of acute hunger and chronic malnutrition. At the end of the explanation, the rich person asked “How can you believe any of that?” and explained that malnutrition was made up by “envious leftists” to steal from the rich.
The doctor tried to explain that malnutrition was real, and even pulled up their phone to search for a picture of a malnourished child. When the rich person saw the picture, they said “Well, I don’t know about this, but if you’re hungry, wouldn’t you just go to a store and buy food? If someone can’t figure that out, they’re just not cut out to survive”.
At that point, the conversation was cut short because the workshop organizers required them to move on.
You might be wondering who this rich person was. Here’s what I’ll tell you: their family extracted a lot of wealth in colonial times and, since then, they have used their power and wealth to remain powerful and wealthy.
Worked with this quiet dude for a couple years. Other than an excessive amounts of tattoos all the way to his face and neck, seemed like a pretty normal machinist / mechanic working at the factory with us.
Later, someone found a local news article from about 5 or 6 years ago. The cops had gotten called to his place over a suicide attempt and when they got there they found like a treasure trove of Nazi and Aryan nation shit, guns, knives, swords, fucking bomb making materials like acetone paint thinner and gun powder, diaries and notebooks full of fantasies about killing robbing and torturing people including minorities, teddy bears he bled on, drugs and paraphernalia
I guess his dad is a state trooper and got him off the charges, go figure.
I’ve done a fair amount of customer service jobs so heard my fair share of complaints. Like once, an alcoholic threatened to bottle me if I didn’t sell him vodka. He wasn’t evil or even a bad guy. Just a good guy having a bad day.
There was this one guy however - another completely different job - who complained the wifi wasn’t working. Instantly gave me the heeby jeebys. Shouting, threatening without actually threatening violence, dead eyed, just gave off really psychotic vibes. He was a bully but there was something else going on there.
Turns out he was a successful local businessman who was known for his psychotic behaviour and being someone you don’t cross. He’d obviously gotten to where he was because everyone was terrified of him.
Edit: another guy I encountered while he was drunk - made really creepy jokes about sexual things, one being ‘incest is the game the whole family can play’. I’m 100% sure they weren’t jokes - he meant what he was saying.
I did. A boomer guy, he must be in his late 70s, early 80s now. He owned a construction company that killed 20 people in the 1999 earthquakes in Turkey, including distant members of his extended family. The guy did shoddy construction work, did not use proper concrete and dressed up a damaged building to look ok. The result was 20 dead lives when the building came down on November 12, 1999. (the building was damaged in the first quake in august and collapsed in the second one in november) The name is Hamza Cebeci, and a quick internet search today shows that his family business is still in the construction business.
I met the guy almost 10 year after the earthquake (and almost 15 years ago from today) at an event where he spoke. From outside you would not guess that he has the blood of 20 people on his hands. It was the purest example of the ‘Banality of Evil’ that I have ever seen. I’m orginally from the same small town (Düzce) where all this happened and knew the story well.
News article from those days: https://postimg.cc/HctXCVFT
I met this disturbed user here on Lemmy a few days ago, username “blave”. He wrote a “weird” joke as a comment on a post, got called out for it, proceeded to tell everyone that interacted with him:
- they had shit for brains, in various different phrasings
- they ate shit from their ass, also in different phrasings
- they should kill themselves, and record it and send it to him.
- etc, more stuff like that, but those were the common themes
Really disturbed individual. He got banned from that community after I reported him. Hoping he’ll get banned from our instance as well.
Sounds like he was just a troll having fun. Getting him banned is the same behavior as calling the cops for a minor noise complaint.
You call the list of those offenses “fun”? If you saw what they typed to people, you would not consider that to be someone just “trolling”. That’s one hundred percent not what was going on.
They were retaliating against being called out for a bad joke. Completely and utterly unable to take calm criticism from anyone, saying we have shit for brains and eating shit and we should kill ourselves, and that he has “power” over us.
He’s just deranged. I am definitely going to keep reporting people that say to other people: “You should kill yourself and record it and send it to me.” I absolutely will do that. Doesn’t even matter that it was said to someone other than me.
You’re being weird for downplaying that offense as a “noise complaint”, let alone a “minor” one(!). That behavior has no business online. People were banned for that even on Reddit. Nah, man.
Sounds like he really bothered you and got under your skin. You let him win lmao. I asked if you’ve ever met someone truly evil. My example was a nazi Aryan brotherhood dude with multiple violent felonies. He tried converting two pre teens to his way of thinking. Your example of a truly evil person was someone shit posting on communist reddit, you’re the weird one.
You let him win lmao.
Really, dude? Why is it a bad thing that someone got under my skin? Like I explained, I found him to be a bad person. If he didn’t get under my skin, I would’ve have reacted. You’re acting like I shouldn’t have reacted. I’m allowed to react.
My example was [yadda yadda, something ]
Okay? Didn’t know there was a competition, ffs. Never mind then, I won’t reply to any more of your shit just in case I don’t measure up to your standards. Should I tell you to kill yourself for giggles as well? Wouldn’t that be “fun”?
… 🤦♂️
I’m convinced you’re one of the following, a 10-14 year old person, an AI or the most fragile adult I’ve read write something. No, its not a competition but I did have that whole bit in the beginning about your neighbor/uncle, to kind of set the expectation for contribution.
yep, a guy with a history in law enforcement, had a job where he investigated claims of misconduct of employees, he seemed to use that to serially sexually prey on the people who he ended up investigating
can’t be more specific for legal reasons unfortunately
not sure he was inherently evil per se, but what he did I would consider evil
I think that makes the cut, work real hard to be in a position of power to abuse people.
As a psych nurse I’ve only met two people who actually unsettled me, both turned out to be serial murderers. I used to work forensics specifically (the “criminally insane”), so I’ve met lots of rapists, murderers, and a ton of pedophiles. As long as you follow some basic rules you’ll be fine (don’t be alone with them or within arms reach if you can help it, bring a buddy if you do, and never let them between you and the door, etc.). But both of these dudes just gave me an instant back of the neck prickle. All you can do is interact as little as possible, exit every situation as soon and as smoothly as you can, protect your newer workers who don’t know better, and hope the doctor discharges them ASAP. There’s no fixing that and all you can do is escape and hope they quickly go somewhere they can be contained properly (ideally a max security prison).
Funny, I was here to also tell a story except about a psych nurse. A “friend” of a friend. This actually happened recently. Dude was a cop, as was my friend(past tense is important here), they bonded over PTSD as well as both being on a psych unit. Well, dude tells a lot of stories about his copping days, and my buddy vouches for him as a date for a coworker. Turns out, guy is crazy, gets super possessive, crazy stuff like sending hundreds of texts a day, and violently rapes her. His whole backstory of being a cop was a lie, after digging, and finding close to double digits social media accounts, turns out he was separated for “administrative purposes” and moved here.
Most unsettling thing, for both me, and my friend, is, there weren’t really a ton of egregious red flags, looking back, sure, but in the moment, absolutely not. He’s having a hard time trusting his judgment(insert quip about being a cop at one point). I truly believe that was the first psychopath I’ve met.
My ex wife was abusive, manipulative, and just turned out to be an awful person all around. Like her whole personality changed on our wedding night and she went from being one of the kindest people I knew to fearing she would stab me in my sleep over the course of a year after knowing her for 3.
That is so strange. On your wedding night as well? What happened specifically that made you notice the change, if you don’t mind sharing?
I’m not the person to have enemies but we live for a long time so we meet awful people eventually even if you avoid it.
So only a few people took advantage of me or have screwed me badly over the years.I have never needed to take revenge since I seem to have some kind of guardian devil that does the work for me in an extreme way.
1 mean duo of girls: mental institution and death by brain tumor.
Ex GF: bad car crash
Ex friend that took my GF: some random guy punched out all his teeth, later became homeless.
So I guess, don’t fuck with me evil people.
Can I borrow your demon for a bit?
Be careful what you wish for.
Even if I didn’t do a thing it makes me feel guilty.
I had a nazi say to my face that they wanted to kill me and hang me from a wall.
I suppose that counts to be a real pos.
From a wall? Maybe they thought you were a painting?
I have two very irresponsible parents, and in one case they took a loan from my eldest brother (that I ended up helping them repay) because he involved a lawyer to compel them to act responsibly in paying him back.
I consider that a little bit evil.
I have another older brother. My parents signed their house over to him in exchange for $10,000 to pay some back taxes, on the verbal agreement that they can reside there until they pass away. (They’re elderly.) Fast forward five years, and now I have to beg for money via GoFundMe to help with their legal defense because he’s literally trying to render them homeless. (Thankfully we won.)
I consider him legit evil. Throwing your parents out into the streets to be a legit evil thing to do, even if they are a pain in the ass. (And they are, they’re 21 months into me “loaning” them my car so they can drive for DoorDash.)
Wait so were your parents or your brother the evil ones with regards to the loan story? Because I think refusing to pay it back sounds kind of like the worse thing in this scenario, especially when you borrowed money from your own children. “Evil” doesn’t exactly sound right, unless the whole time the entire idea was to never pay it back in the first place but getting a lawyer involved because they are making no indication that they’ll otherwise pay you back seems like kind of a step that was tragically made necessary.
It’s complicated, but I see your point. My parents treat us like ATM’s sometimes.
But for me the distinction is intent. I don’t think my parents do any of this with the intent of not following through. They’re just pathologically irresponsible.
I also blame our culture and our country, because most first-world countries take care of the elderly as part of their social welfare system. Here, if you’re in your 80’s it doesn’t matter. Don’t work and society will find a way to put you on the street so a billionaire can add a fraction of a point to their dividends.
If they are pathologically irresponsible, then I’m struggling to see how it is “evil” to get backup in the form of the law in enforcing that they act responsibly?
Someone called me evil in their suicide note once, and ever since then I’ve been wondering if they were right.
what did you do
Nah evil people don’t worry about that. They were probably just really sick, it’s not your fault.
I ran into a curious individual.
He was bullying me because I was in his way (I did not move, the goal did). As soon as I was not in his way he would try to recruit me into bullying the next person who was.
I’d say he was a manipulative psycopath but he was so inept at what he was trying to do and calling him a psycopath would be an insult to psycopaths. He kept falling into the holes he dug for others.
It’s the only person I’ve felt joy when they suffered.
Side note: what do you call a person who is manipulative, no remorse, see people as something to step on to get where they want but are incredibly bad and keep getting caught, fired, dumped because of it? Psycopaths seems to be good at what they do, he was in his 30s and bad at it.
Your perception of what a psychopath is colored by media portrayals and what notable psychopaths have done. Not all physicists are like Richard Feynman, and they’re all at least reasonably smart.
What you’re describing is a psychopath who is stupid. They do stupid things because they are stupid, and they do psychopath things because they’re a psychopath. They aren’t going to lead the police on a chase across the country after a string of murders. If they kill someone, they’ll probably be caught the very first time. The reason they will kill will be somewhat less nuanced than an intelligent psychopath’s reasons, but that’s the smart vs. stupid difference - they’re both psychopaths. Neither will feel remorse, neither will feel any compelling need to achieve their goals by not harming someone else, and both would do it again if they felt the circumstances warranted it. One will just do it in a way where he might not get caught and the other won’t think that far ahead or will do such a poor job of it that thinking ahead won’t help.
From what I’ve heard “psychopath” is in fact a disorder that makes a person worse at managing their own life, in addition to making things worse for the people around them.
I’ve met people who managed to announce they were shitty in the first few minutes of our encounter. I’ve also gotten to know certian really shitty people pretty well.
There’s always a story they tell themselves that makes it okay, though, and it’s always driven by some kind of weakness they have, even if it’s rank narcissism. Evil implies a level of self-awareness that’s never been there.
I can’t say they don’t exist, but they’re damn rare and I’ve never crossed paths with them. Even Nazis have been known to self-improve over time.
