I’m not sure which of my endless multitude of sins or lack of action you’re referring to. Can you be specific?
Ah yeah that scene in Star Wars where the Empire was minding its own business and then a couple of rebels parachuted in to massacre, abduct and rape civilians by the hundreds.
Most if not all of these have one side that is clearly in the wrong. Real life is more complicated. Conflicts are usually gray vs. grey, with both sides having identifiable faults and justifications. But even then, if you spent all your time seeing the world from the perspective of certain designated protagonists you’ll likely sympathize with them anyway.
While this is undoubtedly true, I think OPs post misses the point for a more depressing reason, people generally believe what they’re told to believe, thinking about things is hard and most people are exhausted.
It’s you. You’re acts are evil. Everyone else. Shit, I live on a miniscule amount as an art and do very well because I’m obscenely lucky and have good people in my life still does it’s magick syphoning my act’s mana for it’s purpose.
They are the best people I’ve known but they’re still evil. What they do they call a job. It’s someone else’s will and you can carry as much of the right kinds of things to do but none will ever unwrite your actions as anything but literally evil synchronized in servitude.
You want to not be evil? Burn the dollar. There is no need to damage people. Just the Talisman.
Can someone translate this to Canadian English? Thanks.
He’s an art, what more do you need to know?
Based and schizopilled.
Because this is fiction, where there is good and evil, right and wrong, the good people are rewarded and the bad people punished, successful people earned it and the poor deserve it, and complex problems have simple answers. Where every argument only has a pro and a contra.
But we are living in reality, where most things are in shades of grey, and everything is more complex than it appears. People have to make decisions based on partial knowledge, to not get stuck in indecisiveness. Where even the middle ground solution might be wrong. And with so many distractions and propaganda.
Just be kind and understanding to other people with different ideas, the real world is a complex one, and easy to get lost. Sometimes people like to flee into their simple worlds of populism, maybe through talking and listening we can help them find their way again.
Life isn’t like a movie. A movie has the liberty of making things black and white or easily understood. Real life is full of shades of gray and history, which shapes beliefs and opinions.
Right? I mean I get there are problems in the world, but this post is literally saying “you’re stupid for not joining a resistance (apparently any resistance) because you enjoy movies where the protagonist resists something.”
What an insanely shallow take.
Does Twitter really allow for depth?
Would’ve been more deep to just not say anything, tbh.
Incorrect. This post is literally saying exactly what it’s saying and nothing more. That’s what “literally” means.
What it’s implying is that the reader, who supposedly rooted for oppressed proletarian resistance groups fighting against evil empires in various famous movies, contradictorily and blindly roots for evil empires oppressing proletarian groups in real life.
That’s a lot of presumptions. Unless they’re talking to a specific person who they’ve asked beforehand, they don’t know that their interlocutor has sided with the resistance in all those shows.
Besides the obvious fact that even if they did, the real world is not comparable to a movie.
These people don’t live in reality unfortunately. They look at any side that is “losing” and think its a cause worth supporting. It’s idiotic brain rot
Oh so you don’t understand
Hamas dindu nuffin!
Well then they’re not talking to that person
Metaphors do exist
They identify with protagonists.
Also, Divergent should not be on the same list as the others.
More seriously though, it is frustrating.
I have never seen Divergent or read the books. The Pitch Meeting episodes on YT were more than enough
I read divergent and seen the movies. In some aspects it’s kind of true. Iirc, if you ignore the drama then it’s about exposing the corrupt government.
Pitch meeting in question for those too lazy to search for it
Watching guys shit on things is tight!!!
Yeahyeahyeah!
(Well no, not Star Wars)
Ey?
For the Empire!
Down with rebel terrorists and religious fanatics that want the old corrupt regime back, but can’t handle democracy!!
Long live the Empire!
I actually have met a concerning number of people who idolize The Empire in the original Star Wars trilogy. The one who was always loudest about it willingly moved to Florida recently and is turning sadly right wing. He used to be a super smart punk rocker, too.
My best read on that phenomenon is that a few people took the discussion from Clerks a little further and started arguing as a joke that the empire were just trying to establish order as. They started r/EmpireDidNothingWrong, where irony-poisoned kids began taking the joke seriously, just like the people who legitimately believe the whole “birds aren’t real” theory.
Through victory my chains are broken. For the Empire! In all seriousness though, it’s fictional space fantasy. When I was a kid, watching the OG trilogy, I always supported the rebels, but as I got older I slowly became way more into the empire. Sometimes it’s just fun to root for the bad guys. Also the dogmatic nature of the Jedi becomes glaringly more obvious as you get older.
The Republic turned on and tried to assassinate the democratically elected leader because of his religion, and because they didn’t want to stop all the wars Republic was constantly fighting, supporting crime syndicates etc.
Unfortunately anti establishment scenes always attracts right wingers. Like how the Skinhead subculture, which was started by British working class leftist teens, was co-opted by Nazis. Or how those wellness moms and hippies became virulent antivax right wingers.
These people often don’t even know they are right wingers until these oblivious right wingers form critical mass. Not very surprising that a punk rocker became a right wing idiot.
Are they independent contractors?
Worse, an AirBnb landlord
That’s strange since the movies don’t really try to give The Empire any redeeming values. It’s pretty literally and figuratively black and white.
But The Empire has a better costume department. …Man I guess I’m in.
Hugo Boss!
If Star Wars was indeed a long, long time ago, that brand has some serious staying power.
Ever since I was young, you know, I hated dissension.
Among my peer group, it caused a whole lot of tension.
When the other kids were slouching, I would stand at attention.
And I’ve always looked so good in white.
Better costumes, better toys, no restrictions on the use of force power (can choke out anyone you like).
Let’s face it, Darth Vader is one of the coolest villains of all time. Tons and tons of kids who grew up on Star Wars fantasized about being powerful like him and choking out their enemies in the schoolyard.
If both sides are the same, what is there to resist?
The system as a whole.
The system is to dismantle, resisting it just denies you a normal life.
Ah, an antisystemist!
Do we say happy cake day on Lemmy? Because you have a piece of cake today.
So stupid.
You watched X and sided with the resistance, but continued to set on your butt doing nothing. Your siding took no effort, carried no risks, and made no difference.
Real change takes work.
It’s not saying “do something,” it’s saying “stop supporting the evil empire in real life.”
The problem is that people can map fictional resistance movements onto opposite real life parties. In my college poli Sci class, both I (a known lefty) and the most conservative guy in class excitedly supported the idea of showing V for Vendetta. I guarantee the January 6 guys thought they were in an underdog resistance movement.
I think it really shows just how vast the different realities people live in truly are, and how often those individual or collective realities don’t really align with actual reality. The human mind is great at convincing an individual that their biases are the truth, when they can be extremely far from it.
Which poses a fun philosophical question: if 90% of a given population perceive something to be true, does that make it reality?
Which poses a fun philosophical question: if 90% of a given population perceive something to be true, does that make it reality?
The question isn’t all that philosophical, and the answer is yes, for those people.
first one must define reality… if by reality you mean being alive and interacting with the world, then beliefs, even if going against fact, affect reality.
I actually have to disagree with this. They are the underdogs. Democrats and traditional Republicans are the establishment. Just because you’re a resistance movement doesnt make you automatically good. Castro led a resistance movement and now it’s a dictatorship.
You either die a hero or you live long enough to become the villain…
A witch cursed Alan Moore to have fash mouthbreathers relate to his work.
Considering what I know about Alan Moore I’m 50/50 on thinking this literally happened or is just a useful metaphor.
But he wrote like that so it’s to be expected, a lot of his stories are ‘what if I retell crazy right-wing fantasy but make the hero kinda lefty a bit’
I can assure you the jan6 criminals thought they were fighting for the good of the planet. I heard nothing of the changes they “almost” made and how their innocence was going to win out. Coworkers are fuckheads, had zero clue.
It’s all about the story and how it’s told. They chose to believe, poorly.
The brown coats!
Counterpoint: I did not watch Divergent.
It was derivative. You missed out on nothing. Hunger games did it way better.
I didn’t watch either. I don’t feel like I’m missing anything. There are so many other excellent dystopian films-
Brazil, Children of Men, Blade Runner, Logan’s Run, Gattaca.
I guess I prefer such movies that aren’t YA-oriented… although the BBC TV adaptation of The Tripods back in the 80s was amazing.
Okay, most of this is fair play, but saying hunger games did it better? You take that back right now.
Hunger Games depicted revolution’s harsh but necessary sides in a realistic way, and that elevates it above all other YA I’ve ever read. Granted I stopped reading YA novels after 16 but still.
Katniss has a real personality, real desires, and loses things because she (thought) she decided to lead a revolution. Only to find out that she wasn’t in charge at all and only a figurehead at best, and herself became a victim of the revolution. Nonetheless the revolution was absolutely necessary.
The world of the Hunger Games is much bigger than the teenage protagonists and that’s… missing in most of young adult fiction.
That’s why The Hunger Games was successful I believe. They treated the audience not as children, but as adults who can consider complex ideas. They just want to read about people their age. Most YA considers their audience as little more than hormone filled idiots.
Divergent just didn’t have the nuance, character depth or world building that the Hunger Games had and I’ll stand by that opinion. The divergent movie was a let down to tbh, the book was better. Still not as good as the hunger games tho.
Is the book version of the conspiracy better? I watched the first movie and thought that the supposedly smart caste was pretty braindead.
It seemed like the entire setup was pretty braindead honestly.
Entertaining enough, but nowhere near plausible enough to really get invested in the story.
Same with Hunger Games, honestly.
Oh yeah. I take offense really at the implication that I would have watched it.
So he’s defining the current government as evil? Yeah that’s what they do.
Obligatory Independent contractors working on the uncompleted death star…
