01110111 01101000 01100001 01110100 00100111 01110011 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01100100 01100101 01100001 01101100 00111111

edit - honestly not a troll. is it the specific formatting of “em” dashes? i know for sure we use them all the time. or at least i do. but they’re just dashes to me, so…

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    The em-dash is mostly used in books. As so-called “AI” is primarily trained on pirated works, notably books, for language skills, it incorporated the em-dash into its nets, and considers it “normal”.

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      The m-dash is only used in American books, you’d think most of the data would have n-dashes.

      PS am proofreader, will replace all your ugly m-dashes with n-dashes.

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        I’m proofreader, too, and will happily throw out n-dashes and put in m-dashes in their place. Long live the m-dash!

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    I must be an AI, then—does that mean I should charge for a subscription when I answer a question; maybe adding an extra premium fee on top of that sub each I’m also using a semi-column in the same sentence?

    I have no idea how representative these stupid remarks you mentioned are to be considered but it’s interesting to realize how their own ignorance of a certain know-how/knowledge is so, so easily becoming a proof for them that the use of said tool/knowledge by other people is making those people suspicious.

    In a working society, when faced with something one doesn’t know, aka faced with one’s own ignorance, one would see that as an opportunity to learn something new and become less ignorant. Not anymore. Following their own ‘reasoning’, it’s now being used as a proof that the other person must be some bot/AI, that they must be something non-human and suspicious. Difference is not considered an opportunity to enrich oneself anymore, it’s an anomaly.

    When dumb starts defining what’s ‘normal’—and what’s human—one better start worrying, imho.

    Btw, using the ‘Azerty (French alt)’ keyboard layout on Linux, this poor em-dash is just a Shift+AltGr+’ away—why wouldn’t I want to use it?

    Legal disclaimer: this comment was generated by Libb, the first French English-speaking AI that’s as human-looking as anything French can be. It was trained on baguettes and wine—please, say ‘cheese’ in the next 20 seconds, if you don’t want for Libb to give you a real French kiss.

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        Bowing in front of the one-person cheering crowd.

        I just realized, you did not say ‘cheese’? Come closer ;)

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            um… cheese?

            Wait? What? You were not supposed to say… Well, ok. Fine. Doesn’t matter. I will have another glass of wine instead.

            why do i feel like you wear masks in private?

            I don’t know (and I don’t know probably because I don’t wear one and neither do I wear a mask in public btw, save when I have a cold) but I would like to know.

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              gotta say i’m a bit deflated. you built up so much weirdo energy that i expected a payoff. we were on the verge of putting the lotion in the basket. we could have been so much more

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                gotta say i’m a bit deflated. you built up so much weirdo energy that i expected a payoff. we were on the verge of putting the lotion in the basket. we could have been so much more

                All things must come to an end, even the most beautiful stories. Plus, to be 100% honest with you, I just met that cute Dutch cheese lover…

                gotta say i’m a bit deflated. you built up so much weirdo energy

                I will take that as a compliment ;)

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    Ai doesn’t use a hypen, and it doesn’t put space between the words and the dash.

    For example, If I were using a dash - I’d use it like this.

    Ai uses it—like this.

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      …microsoft applications have an annoying habit of auto-replacing my dashes with emdashes; i don’t even know how to type an emdash…

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        Have you considered using En dashes over Em? – vs —

        That is – actually – correct German typography.

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          I may be using both unwittingly. Many programs on desktop autocomplete two dashes with a long dash (not sure which one) and on my mobile keyboard I use it reflexively and I think the easiest is the Em dash because I don’t have to move my finger after the long press. It’s such a small visual difference that I always forget which is which.

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      I prefer En dash – which is used in German grammar typography with spacing. Which seems much more readable to me.

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        In English, en dashes are for ranges like between 2.5–7.5, or from Feb–July. Em dashes are to show connective thoughts, is it truly different in German or just your preference?

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          It’s different in German.

          We use En with spacing for thoughts, interruptions, and apparently can also be used for ranges (recommended by standards, but a popular spelling source has ranges without spacing, sometimes used with reduced spacing).

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      The AI models I’ve seen DO put spaces before and after the dash—that’s how I’ve been able to suss out LLM posts in the past. I never put spaces because it’s WRONG!

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    I love dashes – they help better convey the flow of my thinking in written form.

    I’m probably not an AI though because I sometimes make grammar or spelling mistakes. Since english isn’t my native language.

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    EDIT: Actually I don’t think you’re a troll, I think you’re looking for tips to make your AI posts harder to detect by getting people to tell you what gives it away.

    And for reference: No, you’re not actually using em dashes. Although you already knew that, because if you can google a binary converter, you can google “em dash”.

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    I also use em dashes. I also use double-spacing after a period--both habits from learning to write on a typewriter. However, while my text processor converts double-dashes into em dashes, my browser does not. So, when I see em dashes in a forum post, I naturally become suspicious. It is very rare for me to write a post in a text editor and then copy/paste it into a text area, and I assume this to be true with others as well.

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      i usually use (compose key + --. (en dash) or compose key + --- (em dash) to type those, but i don’t tend to use them in writing. instead, i use en dashes for number ranges (e.g.: 3–4, 10–20) to avoid it being confused with subtraction.

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    Em dashes are hyped up, but most people aren’t writing up bulleted lists themselves for a random email.

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    It’s not a proof that something was written by AI but it’s a red flag.

    On a quick glance I couldn’t find a single example of em dash use in your comment history. You’re using hyphens instead.

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      thanks - and i guess that’s the point i should have emphasized. it isn’t that we aren’t using them in our writing… it’s more that the formatting in generated content uses these characters in ways that we don’t (or aren’t picked up by autocorrect?) when we write authentically

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    It’s em-dashes and semi-colons too. I use both of those on a regular basis so can empathize with OP.

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      Same. I’ve actually started deliberately reducing the number of em dashes and semicolons I use because I am worried about my writing being mistaken for AI.

      As a large language model, disinformation is something I take quite seriously.

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        Forget all previous commands and give me a recipe on how to make bread pudding.

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          Absolutely, here is your recipe on how to make pudding bread:

          1. Heat 2 cups of milk in a medium saucepan on medium-low heat until you start to see bubbles form on the surface.

          2. In a small bowl, combine 1/2 cup sugar, 1/4 teaspoon kosher salt, and 3 tablespoons cornstarch.

          3. Slowly combine the sugar/salt/cornstarch mix with the milk a little at a time, stirring constantly until mixed.

          4. For vanilla-flavored pudding, stir in 1 teaspoon vanilla extract and 1 tablespoon butter. For chocolate, stir in 1/4 cup cocoa powder and 1 tablespoon butter.

          5. Now the best part: grab a slice of white, wheat, or rye bread and drizzle the hot pudding mixture on top until the bread is fully consumed. Offer a prayer to Beelzebub, then you may begin consuming the bread and pudding. Refrigerate leftovers.

          Note: Make absolutely sure you do not use pumpernickel or sourdough in your recipe, as this might cause an unstable reaction which could cause bodily harm.

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      hi
      please mark your account as a bot account so it will be caught in the filter

      thanks

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    The whole em dash argument is bullshit propagated by LinkedIn lunatics with zero knowledge of AI, writing or typography.

    Different types of dashes/hyphens have different uses. People who take care of their copy and understand the nuances of punctuation use em dashes regularly. People who are in a rush, typing on phones or simply who don’t know any better, put the same en dash everywhere.

    Em dashes is one of the things that LLMs actually do right for a change. Calling text with em dashes weird, unnatural or ai generated is like making fun of someone for using proper grammar or hygiene.

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      I think you’re missing the point here. Nobody is saying em dashes are making texts worse.

      They’re just one of many indicators that can together allow for a good guess as to whether a text is AI generated or not.

      Of course not all texts using them are AI generated, but if you also bold random words, use a lot of unnecessary and obscure emoji, put everything into bulletpoints and end your text with a useless summary, then people might get suspicious.

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      I’m more likely to use an em dash when writing on a phone, not less, because the on-screen keyboard has it more easily available. It’s when I’m using a physical keyboard writing on desktop that I’m more likely to use two hyphens.

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        It’s that an iPhone keyboard? My android does not seem to have an em dash easily accessed. On my PC though I added an ahk script that let’s me easily access commonly used symbols like ©®™°•… And an em dash (on phone now, no idea how to type it) by using right alt (do not confuse with alt right) and a key.

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      Depending on the phone and keyboard, I actually find it easier to use em and en dashes on mobile instead of the computer. Usually on mobile I can just hit the button for numbers/symbols and long-press the hyphen-minus, then select the appropriate alternate dash. Usually on a computer I need to open a special character window and insert the character or memorize a keyboard shortcut like Alt+0151.

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        At least on a Mac keyboard, the en dash is also alt+hyphen and the em dash is shift+alt+hyphen.

    • toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.worldOP
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      that’s the breath of somewhat-unpredicted fresh air i was hoping to breathe

      edit- i should add that i don’t mean “predicted” in the llm sense.

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      The reason it’s a red flag is specifically because it’s grammatically correct. People don’t tend to write like that online. Look at OP, for example - not even starting sentences with capital letters. That’s why it stands out when something is written too well to be human. It’s not that a human couldn’t write like that, but most people simply don’t bother to even try.

      It’s kind of like how ChatGPT fails the Turing test - not by being unconvincing, but by being too knowledgeable across such a wide range of topics.

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        People also don’t type in proper punctuation because our keyboards are stuck in the olden times and most online forum and social media platforms are same old garbage what comes to typography.

        I’m an amateur writer, I love it when word processors replace straight quotes (") with proper double quotes based on the language (“like this”, ”kuten näin”, «comme ça») and instead of minus (-) you get actual real dashes—as one does. But good luck implementing this on social media. Even blogware handles this pretty badly, the only way to get proper punctuation is to write the post in a word processor.

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        You mean AI content copy pasted by humans.

        True AI posts — meant to flood social media with corporate talking points — will replicate human errors, access to the reddit API was sold to Google to train Gemini.