• Evkob (they/them)@lemmy.ca
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      11 months ago

      Hijacking the top comment to let people know this isn’t in response to any American threats, this is Naval Group, a French naval defense company, showing off their submarine because Canada is looking to spend 60 billion on twelve submarines.

      Here’s a French news article about it, seeing as I couldn’t seem to find any sources in English.

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        11 months ago

        Naval Group, a French naval defense company

        Ah shit, that’s the same company Australia had a deal with to buy diesel subs, before our fuckwit former PM reneged on the deal to create AUKUS and buy American nuclear subs.

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          11 months ago

          I don’t know if that’s a mistake. It might not be a nuclear sub, just a sub which has nuclear weapons capabilities ( though obviously not this particular sub because it’s still in the hands of a defence contractor ( I hope ) ).

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          I’m pretty sure that’s a Suffren class, and there’s both diesel and nuclear powered versions. Dunno how I’d tell from the outside, and don’t think the caption is necessarily all that trustworthy.

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        11 months ago

        Hijacking your commet to add this

        I don’t know much about this stuff, but I have been listening to a ton of podcasts about the war, geopoliticks etc.

        From what I learned, France and the UK have nukes, but not the type you can launch from a submarine. (Unfortunately)

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        11 months ago

        I had real good tingle feels imagining France showing up on our coast during this part of history.
        A real “we got you bro” moment in my imagination.

        Le sad.

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    It’s a French sub though so it probably only fires gag missiles that just have a white flag on a stick at the tip.

    Jokes aside can you smoke on a sub? Cause I know a lot of the French still habitually smoke cigarettes and I imagine that would do a number on the oxygen system. Let alone the dangers of possibly setting fires in a pressurized container deep underwater.

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    11 months ago

    This isn’t a show of force, it’s a demonstration for Canada who is planning to buy a number of these submarines from France.

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      11 months ago

      Lamp Oil, Rope, Nuclear Subs? You want it? It’s yours, my friend. As looong as you have enough Euros.

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            I’m still not entirely sure how Australia seemingly wound up with a modified Westminster system that was worse than the original, genuinely pretty impressive.

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              The only reason it’s worse is because we have a strong Murdoch media bias, so the general public are pretty ill-informed. With everyone being fed bullshit so often it’s easy to get them to vote against their best interests.

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                11 months ago

                at least we have proportional representation

                Only in the Senate. And only on a per-state basis, so it’s only as proportional as “a proportion of 6” can be…which is much less proportional than a proportion of 40, like if the Senate were done nationally.

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            11 months ago

            I dunno … Dutton seems smarter, but more evil. Morrison just seems like a brainwashed idiot who’s failed upwards. I don’t know how anyone looks at the screaming void of evil that is Dutton and thinks “yeah that thing has my best interests at heart … or a heart”

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        11 months ago

        Article is about selling nuclear powered subs. Canada doesn’t need these boondoggles for defense against US, because the mission capability is being months at sea.

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      11 months ago

      Yes, this old news is about a nuclear-powered attack submarine, not necessarily a submarine that can nuclear-attack.

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        IIRC only 2 out of the 9 french subs in service exclusively carry torpedoes and anti-ship missiles (Rubis class). I’m sure the 3 Suffren class with no second strike capabilities could still deliver some sort of short ranged tac nuke. So there are high chances that this is a submarine that can nuclear-attack.

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      They don’t need attack subs. They need boomer subs. At this point, Canada needs a nuclear deterrent. And I say that as an American who would be in the cross hairs of said nuclear deterrent. Canada should contract with the French for protection under their umbrella until they can build some of their own. The lesson of Ukraine should be that nukes protect small nations from fascist larger ones. Canada could easily end up like Ukraine. It’s not like fascists can’t find a casus belli. Putin was “restoring Russian glory” or some such. Trump would be “finishing the American Revolution” or some other bullshit.

      Please, Canada, from a friend of yours to the south, do not take this threat lightly. No one is going to be able to save you if the US decides to invade. The same oceans that protect you will prevent your rescue. The only hope Canada will ever have of being able to militarily protect its borders from the US is a credible nuclear deterrent.

      Just please, don’t harden your hearts while you build these weapons of destruction. Don’t close your doors to refugees from the US. As someone who is on the regime’s enemies list, hopping across the Canadian border and begging for asylum is the last chance I might have if things really go bad.

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        Instead of putting all eggs in France basket, Canada should also approach North Korea, China, and Russia for detente and nuclear deterrence. Flirting with North Korea is best path to get SK and Japan to commit to our auto industry, and decouple from their own US extortion. Taking bids for Russia to take over NORAD sites is more constructive than continuing military cooperation, and shamefully subservient to US defense pacts with Philippines. If Russia is no longer the enemy the US forces us to make, then we are protecting the US from Russia, and they need to pay for that privilege.

        US and foreign auto industry must be forced to choose Canada over US. US manufacturing destroyed through export tariffs on materials and energy, and proceeds used to subsidize Canadian manufacturing. Manufacturing/MSFT in Washington and Michigan states must recommend secession and joining Canada, and be covered by our nuclear shields.

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      I mean, they’re not mutually exclusive. Nobody was about to start openly threatening the Americans, but having French forces around and mulling over defence deals with France sends a signal.

      We don’t know what Macron and Trudeau talked about, but accelerating things like this in light of the new reality could well have been part of it.

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      11 months ago

      Regardless, it’s presence makes a statement that Canada is not alone.

      Though I’d be cool if it was stationed at Miquelon for a few months.

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      11 months ago

      What’s the point of these submarines if there aren’t nukes on them?

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        to demonstrate (politely) how quickly and quietly they can appear when we need them to. without endangering anyone or raising alarms that allow trump and co to rattle their sabers

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          11 months ago

          i like it, we should be like - “maybe we have nukes, maybe we dont. you wont know until its too late”

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    Well this year is going just smoothly.

    Better get that bug-out bag ready. Remember iodine tablets.

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    France manages to get a sub to us before the UK even deigns to comment. That says it all. Merci beacoup!

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          You are an idiot. The sub was scheduled for a visit,months in the making. There was no show of ‘force’. Maybe take your feet out of your mouth.

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    JT was just in France as one of his last acts as PM. Mere days later this bad boy shows up in a Halifax harbour. 🤔🤔🤔 Merci a la belle France 🇫🇷🤝🇨🇦

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    Thank you France. You will forever get my family’s commitment to tourism. I look forward to visiting every year. 🇨🇦❤️🇫🇷

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      An article using random reddit comments as a source should be outright ignored, IMO.

      Especially when said reddit comment has since been edited and no longer reflects what’s written in the article. If you bother to follow the reddit link in the article, you’ll find someone has replied with an actual source (from France) that shows that the photos are legit, however the title of this post (and the original posts on reddit) are misleading.

      This isn’t in reaction to American threats, it’s a French naval defense company showing off their submarine in the hopes of obtaining a 60 billion dollar contract for twelve submarines that the Canadian government announced last summer.

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        What the fuck would Canada, a non nuclear weapons country, want a nuclear sub for? Diesel battery subs are inherently stealthier because you can’t turn a nuclear reactor off to go quiet and they don’t need to stay submerged forever to hide where ballistic missiles are and they’re not going to be power projecting to keep Iceland from sending another landing party with Erikson. It’s not like Canada doesn’t have an abundance of ports for refueling or a military vulnerability to oil embargos. It’s not even compatible with their primary method of nuclear fuel since it requires nearly weapons grade refined uranium and the whole point of CANDU heavy water reactors is to not refine.