Trump / Musk is the two-headed avatar of corrupt Capitalism - the final boss - the last stand before it is finally vanquished.
Or a benelli to the face
I think Capitalism is reaching a dead end, just as Feudalism had. We will need a completely different approach, specifically designed to bring prosperity and political agency to every person. A rebuilt constitution that isn’t just about political rules, but also economic.
These times will either cause Americans to show the way forward to the globe, or be a disastrous example to avoid repeating. Either way, the American Experiment is reaching a crescendo.
I’d say the main issue isn’t capitalism per se, it’s unfettered capitalism with no guardrails in place. In a social democracy Bernie style, the economic system is still capitalistic - he’s always said so - but with a number of constraints that distribute wealth equitably and that prevents the accumulation of power in very few hands.
The individualistic nature of humans make fully “communist” type systems oppressive and unrealistic, IMO. You need to give so much power to those enforcing this kind of system that they systematically end up using it to feed their own personal greed for wealth and power.
But a social democrat system still allows for individual freedoms and self interest - it’s just not so deeply “savage” that limitless money can be converted to limitless power to change rules to make it easier to accumulate limitless money.
Capitalism, like cancer, will always try to grow and grow at the expense of anything else, even the survival of its host.
You can try to put rails on it, but capitalists will spend 100% of their effort using every bit of extra wealth they accumulate trying to take down that system.
Yes you’d buy some time, but the disease would still be there. Think about what kind of government you would need to have to keep capitalism under control at large scale: China seems to be able to pull it off. Is that the kind of government we want?
There’s nothing inherently noble about letting private dictators run swaths of the economy. Workers can and should run the economy. We don’t need to slow down the cancer we need to cut it out.
i think you’re not wrong for thinking that, hell, it does look like it; But i don’t think capitalism is going to end just yet. The Americans have showed to all the world what hyper capitalism is and how it can poison and kill a nation. The fact that we don’t know yet of a system to replace the current doesn’t give me much hope that we are going to try out anytime soon. What i think might actually happen is that a social democracy might become the way forward is many places (as it already is in some countries today); For some people in the capitalist elite this might actually be a good compromise of keeping the status-quo and changing up the system.
Who knows, maybe after social democracy thrives there might actually be a new system coming.
Wouldn’t a lot of our problems go away if worker owned cooperatives became the only legal form of corporation, combined with the abolishment of shareholder investment?
I don’t think the entire system needs to be changed. Just tax appropriately and get rid of free externalities. Companies should pay for pollution or other environmental effects they produce and should be taxed incrementally.
Otherwise you have corporations making millions because of an unfair advantage which is eventually paid by the user or governments.
At this point I’m convinced the only way to defeat Trump and his band of Nazis is to shoot them all in their fucking faces.
Literally the majority of the video is just random left-bashing lmao
And then proposing “super-capitalism” as a solution what an absolute clown
I think you missed the context. In the video, he meant instead of using “takeover the means of production” use terms that everyday people can understand and relate to. And yes, you’re right, the video is indeed left bashing, but for good reason. The whole point of the video is to point out the flaws of the left and put out the need for more organization and less puritanism (also actually knowing history and actions of current regimes)
use terms that everyday people can understand and relate to
Nobody would think “super-capitalism” means “worker ownership of the means of production.” It’s intentionally misusing language to in the opposite of what it actually means and is understood of in the hope of somehow “gaming” politics through blatant and obvious rhetorical trickery. It’s completely ridiculous and would be trivially torn apart by the right if it wasn’t so innately ineffective to be beneath their notice and not even worth refuting.
less puritanism
He’s more obsessed with purity than anyone, just in the opposite direction. Even when you have a broadly popular figure like Hasan who’s clearly valuable and effective in promoting leftist ideas, he still comes after him, completely ignoring the actual reality of his popularity and effectiveness because he doesn’t pass Adam’s own purity test.
(also actually knowing history and actions of current regimes)
And yet, he expressed open disdain for actually reading theory. The fact that he does so while saying such blatant nonsense really convinces me more of the importance of reading theory.
It is important to understand the history of various socialist projects and their various successes and failures, but to do that you actually have to engage with them and understand their beliefs and their reasons for making the decisions they did - something that Adam Something clearly has absolutely zero interest in doing. The left suffers from this tendency he exhibits to completely write off any insufficiently pure project as having zero connection to “real” leftism, which makes it categorically impossible to learn from past mistakes.
Did you watch a different video? He said that reality-challenged tankie spaces aren’t able to contribute to a leftist movement that is able to attract workers.
That sounds entirely accurate to me.
tankie spaces aren’t able to contribute to a leftist movement
Right, like I said, left-bashing.
Btw, is Hasan Piker a tankie? Because he bashed him too, and he’s by far the largest leftist politics streamer with an enormous influence and broad appeal. But I guess he’s not ideologically pure enough for Adam Something so therefore he’s a tankie and useless.
His whole way of thinking is entirely idealist, as if creating an ideologically pure movement (ironically, by ditching any semblance of socialism including even the word, in favor of “super capitalism”), the left will automatically win. Nowhere in the video does he discuss any positive vision or any actually strategy other than punching left. Obviously, he serves as nothing but an off-ramp to get people to abandon leftist ideas they might otherwise be inclined towards, the only question is whether he’s doing it intentionally or is just a useful idiot of the right.
He made a case against elitist/purist versions of leftism, so you accusing him of excluding people that aren’t ideologically pure enough indicates that you massively missed the point.
Similar with “left-bashing”: he’s a leftist, why would he? He has views about what makes us unable to be attractive to a wider audience, that’s constructive criticism.
Are you fine bro? everything in just flew over your head like a feather in the strong wind, did you sleep well, eat well?
I understood his message perfectly, nothing “flew over my head,” it’s just that his message is stupid and wrong so I’m criticizing it. And you’re resorting to condescension since you have no ability to answer my criticisms. Is Hasan Piker a tankie, yes or no?
No doubt you’re within the circle of the personality cult these sorts of people tend to form and can’t imagine the concept of someone understanding and disagreeing.
are you against worker co-ops?
Did you reply to the wrong comment?
Are you?
Adam Something has repeatedly used “Super Capitalism” as a conservative-friendly way of saying worker co-ops. You’d know this if you paid attention to the video, or watched his other videos.
I did pay attention to the video. I understand what he’s aiming to do with rebranding leftist ideas as “super-capitalist” I just think it’s a completely braindead move. It doesn’t matter how much you try to avoid the label, if you ever pose any genuine threat to capital then you will be branded as a socialist whether you are or not, even if you do manage to trick a couple gullible rubes by lying to them (which would be unlikely to work in the first place).
I have no particular problem with worker co-ops, I do absolutely have a problem with this idiotic nonsense. If you allow the socialist label to be a boogeyman you are shooting yourself in the foot, it’s literally how we got here in the first place.
Do you genuinely take this clown seriously? Lmao.
ok lemmy.ml
You learn the left-bashing well lmao. Just default to it immediately whenever confronted with criticism you can’t answer.
Is this y’all’s version of theory, where you get this shit from? Good to finally know where the shitlibs on here come from, I kinda assumed it was some random YouTube personality.
I’m 50:50 there will be another election. And I’m 50:50 on it being rigged if there is one.
Even if we have one, and it’s not rigged, the Dems are proposing absolute jack shit for the people. So I don’t see how they could even win a fair election.
We need a new party or a serious nation wide event if we want to put an end to projec 2025
Actually there is one way. And I think you know what it is.
Could already have had two terms of Bernie (or Gore too), but humans, eh.
certain, specific humans, have a great deal more culpability than others.
less useful blaming billions when a couple dozen people engineered the choices for the rest of us, especially on climate.
the biggest problem opposition groups have nowadays is targeting the wrong people to oppose. I know who my enemies are and it’s not so self defeatingly simplistic as humans = bad.
That’s what the voters have been trying to tell the DNC since 2016.
But the DNC’s ears are plugged with corporate cash.
Really? Then why aren’t there more progressives at every level of the Democrat party?
Maybe they should try telling Democrats at the voting booth.
Oh hell yeah! I totally support you guys trying that! I’m sure it’ll work out perfectly for us!
is trough leftism like a trough urinal?
New flavour of leftism just dropped. I personally am more of a piss leftist.
Call me crazy, but I want an answer before 2028.
I don’t think that Democrats should turn away from their growing number of middle-class supporters in order to pivot to a platform that has no record of winning elections. The US economy is going to suffer over the next couple of years and the appeal of a “return to normalcy” party like the present-day Democrats will grow.
It’s worth considering why the Democrats failed to persuade the majority of voters that electing Trump in 2024 would be (among other things) an economic disaster, but nonetheless it’s going to be an economic disaster and voters won’t be happy. I think that Trumpism has no political future if (and that’s a big if) free elections are preserved.
When has a leftist campaign been run in earnest in a US election? Can’t remember any from the Dems in my lifetime, so I’m curious how it can have a record either way.
A good frame of reference would be FDR and the New Deal Coalition which dominated the electorate. They did basic social democracy and just kept winning.
It doesn’t have a record either way - it’s an unknown.
As opposed to the piss poor record of Goldman Sachsmanism, which has now lost to Trump twice
I’m not convinced that Trump has done better against the Democrats than an ordinary pre-MAGA Republican candidate would have. It’s normal for the party in power to switch every eight years, and in that context the unusual thing about Trump is not that he won in 2016 but that he lost in 2020. Biden/Harris’s loss in 2024 is also unusual but so is running a senile candidate, forcing him to step aside far too late, and then replacing him with his vice president who has no significant accomplishments and no way to distance herself from his unpopular policies.
There is something important that Democrats need to change about their strategy, but that’s running candidates based on their appeal to the public rather than on their seniority within the party. I had hoped that they learned that lesson after Hillary Clinton’s failure but they didn’t. I think they will do well if they run a young, charismatic centrist like Bill Clinton or Obama in 2028.
To be fair, she would have been able to distance herself, but it seems like she was coached not to. At the same time as the Trump campaign was actively trying to link her to Biden, when she was asked what she would have done differently, she said “nothing”. Huge, collosal blunder, but the democrats are so stuck on their damn hierarchy, they’d rather scuttle a campaign than publicly say they’d have done something different than the outgoing president.
Also, I think the charming, boring centrist strategy is dead. Our system is about forty years overdue for major, major reforms and it was becoming untenable for people before Trump came and dumped a gallon of gas on it. Centrists have failed to meaningfully move the needle, and yes, I am saying the ACA was not enough. I’m aware of the legislative challenges, but it wasn’t enough. There’s a reason why Bernie had the DNC shit scared enough to work behind the scenes to get people to pledge their delegates to Biden and drop out. There’s a reason Obama, with his promise of capital C Change, stole what probably would have been Hillary’s presidential run. There’s a reason why voters have now chosen Trump- let me marinate that for a second, voters chose this flaming fucking idiot that has destroyed our republic- twice over centrist candidates. I don’t know how you could get much more centrist than how Kamala ran; can you name a single major, a la universal healthcare, left reform that she endorsed AND promoted with her most potent airtime? I think she supported universal childcare, but the lede was pretty buried there. Most of what she publicly boosted was shit right out of the Hillary campaign, like offering super means tested assistance to help people start small businesses. That would have been fine for the nineties, I guess, but we’re way past that; the system doesn’t need eyeglass screwdrivers, it needs a fire extinguisher and a hammer, and people have been voting like it since 2008. Imo, if we have a next election, it will be the democrats’ to lose by running yet another Goldman-Sachsmanist, but young white male this time.
leftism
In a sane world Bernie would be considered a centrist.
Bernie was the compromise. now it’s Luigi time.
#SendMoreBlueShells
Luigi 2028
he is, globally
Isn’t he at least center left?
Not on the global scale.
Not on an American scale either. This bullshit about the “far left” is targeted right at him.
