That’s what the voters have been trying to tell the DNC since 2016.
But the DNC’s ears are plugged with corporate cash.
Really? Then why aren’t there more progressives at every level of the Democrat party?
Maybe they should try telling Democrats at the voting booth.
Well, the Democrats won’t be the ones to do it.
“Meet me in the middle,” says the leopard.
The Geronocrats and MAGATs are the foolish clown that hops into the mouth of the beast.
This is how you continue to lose. The first bullet point is correct. The rest is fail.
The first dot point is incorrect. They should not embrace that right wing nonsense.
Correct. Patriotism should be the result, not the means.
Is this verified? If so, congratulations, Democratic party leadership. Once again, you’re planning on doing the exact opposite of what you should be doing. Their leftist voter turnout is going to plummet again while they try court Republicans—who often vote by party rather than policy.
The party should "embrace-patriotism, community, and traditional American imagery
Playing into nostalgia and nationalism. A strategy taken straight from the other party’s playbook.
Democrats should “ban far-left candidate questionnaires and refuse to participate in forums that create ideological purity tests” and “move away from the dominances small-dollars donors whose preferences may not align with the broader electorate”
Condemning progressiveness, leaving their policies either to do nothing or slide the country even more into conservatism.
Abandoning their actual “small-dollars” donors (constituents) whose preferences may not align with
the broader electoratethe corporate donors.They should “push back against far-left staffers and groups that exert a disproportionate influence on policy-and messaging”
Going to screw progressive politicians yet again, leaving only moderates and conservatives.
Candidates should “get out of elite circles and into real communities (e.g., tailgates, gun shows, local restaurants, churches)”
Actively and deliberately court voters from conservative hotspots.
The party needs to “own the failures of Democratic governance in large cities and commit to improving local government.”
Either this means the goal is deregulation, or that they don’t plan on addressing issues outside of rural areas. Maybe both.
The hubris of the Democratic party establishment + consultants is just… wow. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more poorly executed and inaccurate RCA summary. They are so far up their own assholes that they’re making themselves sneeze.
The Democrats are themselves cancer.
Holy shit, that second bullet point. The hundreds of thousands of people donating small sums of money are somehow less representative of the electorate than the two hundred people donating over a million dollars each, because reasons (just not mathematically sound ones)
The second bullet point is itself a paradox. By definition hundreds of small donations would represent the electorate better than individual large donors.
It’s the 4th bullet point that gets me. “We should spend more time going to right-wing-dominated spaces (and also restaurants)”. Because only right-wing communities are “real”. Anything lefties do is elitist.
People really need to show up to the primaries from now on. Tired of this shit.
Do they still have super delegates?
is trough leftism like a trough urinal?
New flavour of leftism just dropped. I personally am more of a piss leftist.
I don’t think that Democrats should turn away from their growing number of middle-class supporters in order to pivot to a platform that has no record of winning elections. The US economy is going to suffer over the next couple of years and the appeal of a “return to normalcy” party like the present-day Democrats will grow.
It’s worth considering why the Democrats failed to persuade the majority of voters that electing Trump in 2024 would be (among other things) an economic disaster, but nonetheless it’s going to be an economic disaster and voters won’t be happy. I think that Trumpism has no political future if (and that’s a big if) free elections are preserved.
When has a leftist campaign been run in earnest in a US election? Can’t remember any from the Dems in my lifetime, so I’m curious how it can have a record either way.
A good frame of reference would be FDR and the New Deal Coalition which dominated the electorate. They did basic social democracy and just kept winning.
It doesn’t have a record either way - it’s an unknown.
As opposed to the piss poor record of Goldman Sachsmanism, which has now lost to Trump twice
I’m not convinced that Trump has done better against the Democrats than an ordinary pre-MAGA Republican candidate would have. It’s normal for the party in power to switch every eight years, and in that context the unusual thing about Trump is not that he won in 2016 but that he lost in 2020. Biden/Harris’s loss in 2024 is also unusual but so is running a senile candidate, forcing him to step aside far too late, and then replacing him with his vice president who has no significant accomplishments and no way to distance herself from his unpopular policies.
There is something important that Democrats need to change about their strategy, but that’s running candidates based on their appeal to the public rather than on their seniority within the party. I had hoped that they learned that lesson after Hillary Clinton’s failure but they didn’t. I think they will do well if they run a young, charismatic centrist like Bill Clinton or Obama in 2028.
To be fair, she would have been able to distance herself, but it seems like she was coached not to. At the same time as the Trump campaign was actively trying to link her to Biden, when she was asked what she would have done differently, she said “nothing”. Huge, collosal blunder, but the democrats are so stuck on their damn hierarchy, they’d rather scuttle a campaign than publicly say they’d have done something different than the outgoing president.
Also, I think the charming, boring centrist strategy is dead. Our system is about forty years overdue for major, major reforms and it was becoming untenable for people before Trump came and dumped a gallon of gas on it. Centrists have failed to meaningfully move the needle, and yes, I am saying the ACA was not enough. I’m aware of the legislative challenges, but it wasn’t enough. There’s a reason why Bernie had the DNC shit scared enough to work behind the scenes to get people to pledge their delegates to Biden and drop out. There’s a reason Obama, with his promise of capital C Change, stole what probably would have been Hillary’s presidential run. There’s a reason why voters have now chosen Trump- let me marinate that for a second, voters chose this flaming fucking idiot that has destroyed our republic- twice over centrist candidates. I don’t know how you could get much more centrist than how Kamala ran; can you name a single major, a la universal healthcare, left reform that she endorsed AND promoted with her most potent airtime? I think she supported universal childcare, but the lede was pretty buried there. Most of what she publicly boosted was shit right out of the Hillary campaign, like offering super means tested assistance to help people start small businesses. That would have been fine for the nineties, I guess, but we’re way past that; the system doesn’t need eyeglass screwdrivers, it needs a fire extinguisher and a hammer, and people have been voting like it since 2008. Imo, if we have a next election, it will be the democrats’ to lose by running yet another Goldman-Sachsmanist, but young white male this time.
Or a benelli to the face
I think Capitalism is reaching a dead end, just as Feudalism had. We will need a completely different approach, specifically designed to bring prosperity and political agency to every person. A rebuilt constitution that isn’t just about political rules, but also economic.
These times will either cause Americans to show the way forward to the globe, or be a disastrous example to avoid repeating. Either way, the American Experiment is reaching a crescendo.
I’d say the main issue isn’t capitalism per se, it’s unfettered capitalism with no guardrails in place. In a social democracy Bernie style, the economic system is still capitalistic - he’s always said so - but with a number of constraints that distribute wealth equitably and that prevents the accumulation of power in very few hands.
The individualistic nature of humans make fully “communist” type systems oppressive and unrealistic, IMO. You need to give so much power to those enforcing this kind of system that they systematically end up using it to feed their own personal greed for wealth and power.
But a social democrat system still allows for individual freedoms and self interest - it’s just not so deeply “savage” that limitless money can be converted to limitless power to change rules to make it easier to accumulate limitless money.
Capitalism, like cancer, will always try to grow and grow at the expense of anything else, even the survival of its host.
You can try to put rails on it, but capitalists will spend 100% of their effort using every bit of extra wealth they accumulate trying to take down that system.
Yes you’d buy some time, but the disease would still be there. Think about what kind of government you would need to have to keep capitalism under control at large scale: China seems to be able to pull it off. Is that the kind of government we want?
There’s nothing inherently noble about letting private dictators run swaths of the economy. Workers can and should run the economy. We don’t need to slow down the cancer we need to cut it out.
i think you’re not wrong for thinking that, hell, it does look like it; But i don’t think capitalism is going to end just yet. The Americans have showed to all the world what hyper capitalism is and how it can poison and kill a nation. The fact that we don’t know yet of a system to replace the current doesn’t give me much hope that we are going to try out anytime soon. What i think might actually happen is that a social democracy might become the way forward is many places (as it already is in some countries today); For some people in the capitalist elite this might actually be a good compromise of keeping the status-quo and changing up the system.
Who knows, maybe after social democracy thrives there might actually be a new system coming.
I don’t think the entire system needs to be changed. Just tax appropriately and get rid of free externalities. Companies should pay for pollution or other environmental effects they produce and should be taxed incrementally.
Otherwise you have corporations making millions because of an unfair advantage which is eventually paid by the user or governments.
Wouldn’t a lot of our problems go away if worker owned cooperatives became the only legal form of corporation, combined with the abolishment of shareholder investment?
Fuck you. Bernie, AOC, Rashida, Ilhan, and the rest of the Squad, cheered on the “Genocide Joe” “From The River To The Sea” marches, which were on the NEWS every day and every night of the Spring, Summer, and Fall of an Election Year. More Young Republicans, Latino and Arab Americans voted for Donald Trump than have ever voted for any Republican candidate in history before. Young Democrats, when faced with the binary choice between the continuation of Democracy, and Fascist disassembly threatening the climate, all their civil rights, their nation, and the entire free world, couldn’t find it within themselves to meet the lowest bar of effort, and didn’t vote. Donald Trump won his second Presidential election by 2.3%. Fuck Them, their politics is bankrupt and ruinous, and everyone was screaming this at you and them all last year, but you kept raising the Leftists flag, and you lost it all. Fuck You.
Young Democrats…didn’t vote
In 4 of the 7 key states, Harris received more votes than Biden did in 2020. In the 3 where she received less, Trump still would have won based on how many more votes he got even if Harris’s vote count was unchanged compared to Biden in 2020.
This “Democrats lost because of Gaza” angle is convenient. Both sides like it use it. “Moderates” like to blame the “far left” for discouraging voters by calling out the inaction on the genocide. Leftists blame the moderates because they refused to actually denounce the genocide or commit to stopping it. Both side’s arguments are based in assumptions that do not bear out once you look at the actual votes.
I mean a whole lot of voters did put the biggest reason they sat out as Gaza. There was a poll on it by YouGov. Now let’s not get that wrong; Harris lost because her campaign was a shitshow, so blaming Gaza voters in particular is improductive, but even with a moderately good candidate it would’ve probably been close as they would’ve had to win without Michigan and Arizona.
You basically named the only politicians that publicly condemned Israel. I can’t say I’m surprised seeing one of the few zionists on lemmy disliking them.
And this is what, 5 times you copy and paste the same message, subtly implying the “genocide joe” people are the same as the “river to the sea” crowd.
There’s a difference between rightly calling out Biden for his support of genocide and calling for another separate genocide. We just want Israel to stop taking crowds of innocents and turning them into dust. It’s blatant what you are trying to imply, nobody here is chanting “from the river to the sea”.
The democrats lost because they gave their support to people like you, who want to hate and genocide an entire population, instead of the actual voters they are meant to represent.
I straight up want Israel gone and the land managed by the original inhabitants not some European colonists.
From the river to the sea is fine.
Which “original” inhabitants?
Oh fuck off with that nonsense, what’s next “can’t be racist cos we all came from Africa”?
Who is meant is very obvious in reference to the peoples existing there before Zioni invaded.
I’d settle for just not arming any side and giving refuge to anyone who wants out.
Hey there, Betelgeuse (I’m assuming you’re that shoulder of Orion). I’d just like to point out that the democrats have deliberately and repeatedly tried a failing strategy of just phoning it in and trying to win on nothing more than “I’m not Donald Trump” and celebrity guest appearances. They knew they were fucking cooked, and I did too when they released that video of Obama lecturing down at black men for not supporting Kamala enough. If you have to lecture your base, they didn’t fuck up, you did.
No, fuck the party for not reading the room. Bernie and co. were trying to build an alternative, bringing the left where it should have been. The unwillingness to change brought defeat and they saw what the party couldn’t. Why can’t your see what? The dems would have lost with or without bernie’s support. You’re just butthurt their criticism was correct all along
YOUNG DEMOCRATS DIDNT VOTE AND NOW ITS ALL GONE
Young democrats don’t exist. Young independents didn’t vote for dems because the dems offer them nothing. When people said bernie was the compromise it was the truth. He’s not far enough left to make the left happy, but was far enough to get votes.
really, 6 karma dude, fascinating take
You can just admit you have nothing to counter with rather than trying to insinuate something about them.
Neoliberals will never admit that there’s any path for America but moving further and further right.
Call me crazy, but I want an answer before 2028.
Trump / Musk is the two-headed avatar of corrupt Capitalism - the final boss - the last stand before it is finally vanquished.
If the democratic machine would let him. He’d do a bang up job. But the DNC will mobilize all they have to stop him. Damn the cost. Just as they’ve done in the past.
leftism
In a sane world Bernie would be considered a centrist.
Bernie was the compromise. now it’s Luigi time.
#SendMoreBlueShells
Luigi 2028
he is, globally
Isn’t he at least center left?
Not on the global scale.
Not on an American scale either. This bullshit about the “far left” is targeted right at him.
Could already have had two terms of Bernie (or Gore too), but humans, eh.
certain, specific humans, have a great deal more culpability than others.
less useful blaming billions when a couple dozen people engineered the choices for the rest of us, especially on climate.
the biggest problem opposition groups have nowadays is targeting the wrong people to oppose. I know who my enemies are and it’s not so self defeatingly simplistic as humans = bad.
At this point I’m convinced the only way to defeat Trump and his band of Nazis is to shoot them all in their fucking faces.
