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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_and_Malcolm_Collins
Well that’s just a fucking trip of dysfunction.
Just that bit is a lot.
If the population declined and it makes the economy do less well, won’t people just have more children like they did the last time the economy was in that state? Every environment has a carrying capacity for the creatures that live in it. It’s not uncommon to see fluctuations above and below that equilibrium point.
Instead of pushing people to ignore the factors that cause the limit in humans, like not wanting or needing more children, maybe find a way to organize society so hitting that limit doesn’t cause massive problems, or try to eliminate some of the factors creating the limit. It’s insanely difficult in our society to have even one child who’s healthy, cared for, and prepared for their adult life while also being personally healthy, prepared for old age, and enjoying the variety of pleasures of existence.The Collinses married after Malcolm proposed on Reddit in 2013.
Crickey
🤢🤮
So redditors who deeply believe they’re superior are breeding? We’re in trouble.
I just read their wiki page and it is absolutely filled to the brim with crazy wacky shit.
The Collinses do not support transgender health care for youth, but express acceptance for people whom Simone described as “legit trans” as opposed to those who fall into the “trans cult.” Simone opposes allowing transgender students to use bathrooms corresponding to their gender identity and to play on sports teams matching their gender identity.
As a trans woman, this stood out to me. I’m not surprised that they are transphobic, but why make the point about “legit trans” and “trans cult?” I assume they consider “legit trans” to be the tiny percentage of transgender people who are right-wing nuts and the “trans cult” are those who aren’t. Basically they’re just saying “We only support transgender people who want their faces eaten” which is a strange way of phrasing it since usually transphobes tell all of us to go fuck ourselves, including the dumb ones that support the leopards.
Look up trans medicalist they kind of seem to fit in there.
I know about transmeds, and considering that they think medical transitioning is required, I think it would be weird for a transmed to be against blockers and hrt for kids.
They’re probably supporters of Blanchardian typology. Now as for why so many people go to bat for a sexologist who doesn’t believe in bisexuality I’ll never understand
It’s probably more like they can’t deny the reality of trans people, but they think that it’s a very tiny minority and the rest are just cultists.
You see this same fallacy with autism. Why are there “suddenly” more autistic kids? It isn’t because vaccines are giving them autism or something like that. It’s because doctors know what to look for to diagnose now.
People fall into this same trap with trans people, because 20 years ago it was extremely rare to meet an out trans person. So, now it looks like they’re suddenly everywhere! What could be the cause? A trans cult recruiting people?!
No, it’s a cultural shift. Damn, people can be stupid sometimes.
That’s a really good point. It’s not an evident thing from my perspective because being transgender is so normal to me that I don’t know if I would have ever even thought about that.
Absolutely adore this bit from the screenshot:
which is based on Simone’s personal observations of lions and tigers on a safari trip.
Sad we have no studies on human children. But thankfully its perfectly reasonable for someone on holiday who’s untrained in interpreting big cat behavior to decide whats good for a bunch of animals is good for human kids too.
I let my children eat trash out of dumpsters. I determined it was a good idea after personally observing raccoons while on a park trip.
Ironic that they claim all of their decisions are backed by data, but still employ corporal punishment. That’s something that had been quite definitively demonstrated to be far less effective than other measures.
Because they like the idea of supporting data but not the reality
Thank you! I was literally just thinking that.
I also can’t let go of how they say every decision is backed “by data.” But then what is their data source for using corporal punishment? “I saw lions and tigers use it.”
So they think “anecdotes” are the same as “data”? AND that wild predator behaviors are suitable role models for human behaviors? Oh. Oh dear. Oh no.
I wonder if they’re aware that male lions will kill the leader of a pride to take his place, and then kill the cubs of that male in order to force the lionesses into estrus? Would they support the same behavior in people? Or is it only the corporal punishment parts?
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Oh good I was worried they would be rich and be doing it for entirely monetary reasons
Read the wiki - They just seem like rich wankers to me.
You’re saying sometimes you can judge a book by its cover?
Bla bla managing director bla bla Investor Peter Thiel. OK, I’ve read enough. Yet another Thiel apprentices.
HA HAHAHA HAAA HAHAHA and I can’t stress this enough HAAAAAAA
But also, aren’t these just autistic people? Of the type we used to call Aspergers?
I have a friend with Aspergers who would be quite offended by that comment. These people are just idiots, don’t blame it on a diagnosis.
I happen to think it’s both.
Then you should communicate that better. “aren’t these just autistic people with aspergers” makes it seem like you think everyone with aspergers is like this.
Perhaps, but I’m not going to.
As a neurodivergent person, thank you for writing this for me.
They are highly atypical & their marriage is the result of a proposal over Reddit back in 2013. Wiki is wild.
In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony gods blessing but because I managed to find someone as insufferable as I am.
Atheists with divinely inspired scripture? Wow. OK everything there is concerning. These people seem like they need to touch grass and do something normal and weird like community theater instead of whatever bullshit they’re on
And two more incestuous generations later you end with something like Elon Musk.
Looks like they both might be genetically predisposed to myopia. Not very elite of them.
Glasses make me look weak. They’re like a wheelchair for the eyes.
I always was on the “nerd” side at school but boy do those faces look punchable.
Love me some VEEP.
This couple and really anyone who learned about evolution by watching Idiocracy: if intelligent parents are needed to make intelligent babies, from where did intelligence first arise?
Not intelligent enough for this question.
If human parents are needed to make human babies, from where did humans first arise?
Duh, Adam and Eve obviously! Read a book!
More like read THE book
Two fishes fucked and made a deformed fish that liked air more than water. And now I have to “clean the garage” and “not eat all the cheese its”. Fucking ass hole parent fish.
Do fish fuck? I thought the one laid the eggs and the other spooged on them.
Sharks fuck. It’s really unpleasant. They are also fish.
I always forget and think they’re mammals.
You might have them confused with Whale Sharks, which are Whales and therefore mammals.
Besides sharks like the other commenter said, there’s a type of fish called “livebearers” who do indeed fuck and internally inseminate
They give birth to fully formed babies vs laying eggs and fertilizing them externally. A fascinating animal that falls in the category is the Amazon molly which gives birth to clones of itself
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Some motherfucker planted and watered some seeds and now I have to pay taxes. Fuck that guy.
Dicks… All of them
Heavy natural selection pressures. Don’t worry, we’ll see those again in a couple decades.
Broke: Higher calorie consumption, low stress environments, abundant free time, institutionalized and publicly funded education systems.
Woke: Generations of cracking open one another’s skulls to feast on the gooey goodness inside until only the largest and most succulent heads remain.
I haven’t read the article. Maybe they were just saying “more children are needed and we’re doing our part”. I’m not sure of this is really about them being arrogant. It could be either or.
I haven’t read the article
Maybe they were just saying
I’m not sure
It could be either or
If only there was a way to find the information you’re missing
I have now read the article, and it does indeed seem like this narrative was unfounded and I was right. I could not find any support for eugenics in the article, and the interviewees even spoke against it explicitly.
You should read the article yourself, it’s actually quite insightful.
Pronatalism is supported by Elon Musk and Peter Thiel which should raise alarm bells. Not to mention the links to other conservative techbro movements.
If they didn’t want to be associated with something that has shades of eugenics, they might have chosen a different name for their philosophy.
You don’t have to go out of your way to defend things that are putting a nice veneer on eugenics.
And for the record, if you read the article it’s clearly about them being arrogant and generally absolutely fucking weird. “If more people like us don’t have children, the world will stop seeing innovation and economic prosperity. It’s very important that the right people reproduce.”
“If more people like us don’t have children, the world will stop seeing innovation and economic prosperity. It’s very important that the right people reproduce.”
I have now read the article, and what you just quoted is nowhere to be found. I would really like to know where you found the text you quoted.
In fact, neither the article nor the interviewees defended eugenics, at all. They even addressed the issue explicitly near the end of the text.
I’m not defending these people, or saying that they are saints, but there was no indication that they were supporting eugenics. To the contrary, they spoke against it.
They “spoke out against it” while saying and doing things that are literally the definition of positive eugenics.
“In other words, positive eugenics is aimed at encouraging reproduction among the genetically advantaged, for example, the eminently intelligent, the healthy, and the successful. Possible approaches include financial and political stimuli, targeted demographic analyses, in vitro fertilization, egg transplants, and cloning.”
Actions speak louder than words. There is nothing particularly wrong with eugenics in itself; it is how some people choose to carry it out that becomes questionable. When eugenics is used to propagate racist or dumb ideas.
These guys are a real trip. They screen, select & hand-pick embryos (that is eugenics). But then they turn around & claim they’re not eugenicists, because “they’re not racist” (???). Cool story, bro? But you’re eugenicists.
Imagine, if you will, your friend loudly says he HATES peppermint ice cream. Peppermint ice cream is so terrible. He orders vanilla. He takes out a bag of peppermints, hits them with a hammer, and rolls each spoonful of vanilla ice cream in the crushed peppermint bits. That’s…that’s peppermint ice cream. You claim you don’t like it, but took multiple, direct actions that resulted in peppermint ice cream, which you are enjoying. 🤨 These people are weird AF.
There is nothing particularly wrong with eugenics in itself; it is how some people choose to carry it out that becomes questionable. When eugenics is used to propagate racist or dumb ideas.
This makes several assumptions not supported by science. Eugenics presupposes that genetics alone is a significantly large factor influencing traits like intelligence and “predisposition to criminality” that you can just selectively breed humans like farm animals and thus improve the whole population over time.
If you dig deep enough into the history and science, that’s not necessarily true, and even to the extent it is is fucking complicated. It ignores or discounts environmental factors, cultural norms, and probably more I’m not thinking of atm.
Picking general intelligence, however that’s defined, eugenics says you need to get two highly intelligent people to produce offspring and thier children will automatically be smart. In reality they might have an edge, but that edge can be lost if the kids aren’t provided with a stable home environment, healthcare so they can thrive, high-quality education, etc. It doesn’t mean shit if your kid is the next Einstein according to an IQ test (which are fraught with problems by themselves) if they can’t read.
The topic is higly debated by people much more educated than I who spend thier whole lives studying the topic. I’d encourage you or anyone interested to do some reading on the subject from actual experts (which I, for the record, am not) with backgrounds in genetics and especially anthropology. “The Myth Of Race” by Robert Sussman was an incredibly eye-opening book for me personally that obviously focuses most on race but eugenics gets covered too.
I think we are more or less in agreement. 🙂 I focus almost exclusively on the ‘strictly physical’ side of eugenics, cross-breeding & GMO but for humans. I see people who are fucked up, carry horrible genes, have undesirable physical traits. Sometimes they even mix & match with others that have bad genes/traits, and sometimes they even know bad things could happen…then their offspring has bad physical traits or medical problems & they’re all shocked pikachu face. How could this happen?! Well, because Mommy and/or Daddy are fucked up. And yeah that weird heart defect got passed down. Sickle cell anemia, passed down. Things of a physical nature. Good inputs, probably good outputs. Known bad inputs, hey…let’s not be shocked when there are bad outputs.
Intelligence, character traits, waters get significantly murkier. That’s just not how I think (because enough of it, I believe, is wrong). And I think this cringey couple overestimates their intellectual capacity. They might get A plusses on tests, but the way they’re interacting with the ‘real world’ displays a general lack of awareness, mental illness, & I think there’s some Main Character Syndrome at play.
Fair enough. I took your original comment a certain way, probably cause the way it sounded is the way a significant potion of the population thinks. Physical variation is a much more understood (and less dangerous) thing too.
Oh hey looks like we found one of their Lemmy accounts if you are bending over that far backward to defend something you apparently have not even read about.
Surely they meant to write adopting? Lesbian couples can’t breed.
I don’t get it, can you explain this?
The dude looks androgynous enough to pass as a butch lesbian?
Ignoring people’s pronouns is so funny haha
There isn’t a pronoun in what I wrote.
Yes! Produce more slaves for our overlords, or the world will end!
They’re producing exclusively Boss Babies
Dude can’t even get a proper fitting suit or shirt. He looks like someone who had to borrow his outfit for court
I think you missed the point where they want more of the “right people” whatever that means. They think they can outbreed everyone else and win by having the most right people. See just about every major religion as a case study for this.
I feel like proper eugenics was pretty soundly debunked as people are more complicated than peas. I think that the only thing you can reliably predict is race.
And these people look like that Nazi from Raiders of The Lost Ark.
It was never soundly debunked in theory. We are animals and like all animals our offspring inherit traits from us. Hypothetically if you could agree on what “good traits” looks like you could selectively breed people based on those traits and get people who are more likely than average to have those traits. Keep doing it for generations upon generations and you’d get people optimized for those traits. Even without knowing what gene or genes are responsible.
The problem is that we’re notoriously bad at deciding what is and is not in the set of “good traits” and tend to pick stupid shit like “being Aryan/white.” Also forced/restricted breeding is unethical at best, and fucking monstrous on average. It’s one of those things that goes in the bin of “it would probably work, but if we start doing it we’ve already become the villains”.
It might work, but in the same way that it does with dogs. You might get some traits you want, but they will all be as inbred as a Bulldog. Probably would knock 15 years off average lifespan.
The more mixed up your genes are, the less likely you are to have health defects.
T’fuck is this about?
As if thousands of others aren’t? Forget about the thousand other red flags, why even post this bullcrap?
Nice, the ubermensch is back
And they look like they’ve spent a lot of time inside a locker.
There are 8 billion people in this world, and it will continue to grow until there are about 10 billion of us here. The world is dying because each of us takes too much, gives back too little and frankly, there are about 3 billion too many of us. The world is dying because there are too many humans AND THESE FUCKERS ARE SCARED THST BIRTH DECLINE WILL BE AN ISSUE? They actually advocate for more humans because if we don’t, cultures will somehow disappear? Economies will collapse?
You know what will collapse all economies, soon enough? Climate change. It will fuck all and everything. There is a realistic chance that within a few decades tops, this "the world still generates enough food to feed everyone twice over, it’s just that we keep throwing away most of the food over actually making sure it gets to the hungry"will turn into “the world can only generate enough food to feed about 5 billion or less of us”.
How do you think your precious economy will respond to the ensuing wars and everything?
Why is it that even mentally deficient idiots like this can become “leaders” whilst actually smart people have to sit in the sidelines?
Oh yeah, sheer narcissism and psychopathy. They get you to the top of the food chain.
Birth decline is a issue for the capitalist. Their scam depends on constant unending growth.
‘elite’ couple
Can’t be bothered with seeing properly
The Collinses refuse to give their daughters traditionally feminine names, because they believe social research shows that women with feminine names are taken less seriously
Their daughters are named Titan Invictus and Industry Americus.
Industry Americus
That’s the grossest name I’ve ever heard. Look, I’m not even getting into the “Americus” part. Sure, that is… well, it’s not a name I would’ve picked. But more importantly, it follows the word Industry, and whether alone or paired to American industries specifically, the images conjured up from that word are far from pleasant.
I picture smoke stacks belching into smoggy, yellow skies. I see poisoned streams flowing through dying ecosystems. I see tired workers being overworked and exploited.
What a great name for a cute little baby to be burdened with.
Sound like warlord-class, to me
I had hoped that was an onion link
That shit sounds like 4channers that got too much money, it’s beyond stupid
they could easily be Fallout characters lol. I am all into science and shit but Titan Invictus for god’s sake? This is why we need parenting licenses to prevent people like these ruining childhoods.
Haha you’re hillari…oh shit.
That might even be true, but you know what names will be taken even less seriously? Titan Invictus and Industry Americus. 😂 Freaks creating freaks.
Invictus & Americus as standalone wouldn’t be the worst names, but Titan & Industry? For women? Those “names” sound rough as sandpaper. These people are so book-smart, and without friends/contacts to keep them in touch with reality, they’ve become kinda dumb & fallen prey to delusions of grandeur.
Wiki on this couple is an amusing, terrifying, and short read. I was wondering what they do for work, what their contribution to the world is. The answer…not much… “Venture capitalism”, so basically they’re money farmers investing money to make money. A necessary role, but not directly producing anything themselves. And tech MGMT, again, probably not directly producing many works but cracking the whip & supervising other people doing work. Color me not impressed.
They claim they’re not eugenicists, conflating eugenics with racism. Which simply isn’t true, what a stupid thing to say. They are eugenicists, they actively screen & sort embryos, pursuing the best results. That is eugenics, and there’s nothing particularly wrong with that. Very practical.
Both are the products of failed relationships, the man a classic failed marriage, the other a failed polyamorous marriage in Japan. They married after a proposal…over Reddit. Jesus Christ, am I on drugs? Is this real?
“Do you spank your kids?” “Oh, heavens no, how barbaric. Inspired by tigers in the wild, I slap my kids across the face. 😇” Lol!! Wth. 🙃 These kids will likely be mental trainwrecks (just like their parents) if they don’t straight-up commit suicide.
As someone who grew up in a failed marriage sometimes I feel like it was a minor achievement for me to have a happy romantic life, but then I see people who look at how fucked up their parents were and say “hold my beer”
Yeah, this is sad. These are people in dire need of mental health care and they’re not getting it because their narcissism is in the way.
We should make it so that when someone is too narcissistic that they need mental help, that we can force them. Their poor daughters will now have to live with this shit and become just like them and the cycle continues
