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Man, the lackadaisical reveal. Hilarious.
Also, the Youtube video is called “Switch 2 First Look”. I see what you did there, Nintendo.
Yeah I thought they were going to do more than just “here’s what it looks like!” we’ve already seen what it looks like from the leaks
They were all “FINE. YOU WANNA SEE IT? HERE IT IS, LOOK AT IT. LOOK. AT. IT. LOOKS LIKE THE LEAKS, DOESN’T IT? NOW GO WAIT IN THE CORNER UNTIL APRIL”.
I’m on board. Most empathetic I’ve felt towards Nintendo in ages.
The only reason everyone is whelmed is because of all the leaks.
Had no one known anything, we’d be talking about the bigger size, new joycons and such.
Since there are no surprises we are just confirming what we already know.
Just so you know, “whelmed” means the same thing as “overwhelmed”. The word you’re looking for here is “underwhelmed”.
I don’t think so. This so far has big Game Boy Color vibes to me. Especially in the context of the Switch OLED being a thing. That’s not necessarily bad, but it’s definitely not comparable to the sheer WTF-ness of the DS, Wii or Switch reveals. And we knew what the Switch was in advance, too.
Nintendo can have a hard time letting go of successful designs sometimes. At least they put a 2 on it instead of a U and made it clear that it’s a new system in the trailer.
I’m ready to change my mind after the direct, but I think the reveal would always have been “Oh, it’s a bigger, more powerful Switch. Alright”.
Honestly, I’m a little concerned. Nintendo almost always tries something new and innovative. This just looks like a hardware upgrade, which is good, but not what keeps them ahead of their competitors. The Steam Deck is already encroaching on the Switch’s territory, and it’s only a matter of time before Playstation and Xbox try something similar (assuming Microsoft doesn’t just give up on consoles and just make PCs). I was expecting something no one else would try, like a duel-screen that could function like a Wii U and a DS.
It doesn’t help that the rumored price is $450. If it ends up being that high, I’ll definitely go for a Steam Deck instead. Con: can’t play Switch 2 games. Pro: everything else. I know electronics are super expensive now, but without the advantage of a lower price, a competitor’s portable console that’s not a walled garden is a very tempting alternative.
Oof, yeah, that’s pretty steep for Nintendo. Honestly, I always wait at least a year for the library to build up and the price to drop a bit. I’ve heen thinking that a Steam Deck would be my next purchase as well, and if the Switch 2 turns out OK I’ll get it in a couple of years.
I think price drops are a thing of the past for consoles nowadays, unless you’re getting something used. Neither the Switch nor PS5 ever dropped in price. The PS5 even RAISED in price in some markets.
Oh. Well, that sucks ass. My switch was a present, so I never knew that.
Neither did wii for that matter.
Can’t play Switch 2 game, yet. I have Yuzu/Ryujinx running multiple games at better frame rates than the Switch itself the using SyncThing to keep saves/isos mirrors to my NAS and PC so I could seamlessly move from desktop to Steamdeck and back.
Unironically better functionality than the device I was emulating. I still bought games on the eShop to assuage my conscience, but only after is played more than 4-5hrs so I even gave myself timed demos of everything as opposed to whatever the devs had time to carve out (if they even did).
I wouldn’t count on Switch 2 emulation being nearly as good as Switch 1 was. Not many people are going to be willing to put a lot of effort into it for free when it’s known that Nintendo will aggressively shut them down.
Have you not followed recent news?
Yes.
They run afoul of the law when they bypass encryption, recreate copyrighted programs, or point users to pirated material.
Both Yuzu and Ryujinx had to bypass encryption to be able to run the games. Switch 2 will be the same.
I think a big point in those cases was that the emulators came with the keys included. If you don’t provide the keys (or make them VERY easily available), emulators seem to be legal.
Nothing in that article indicated any sort of change in Nintendo’s stance. I guarantee they will come down hard and fast on anyone who makes enough progress on a Switch 2 emulator to actually be able to run commercial games.
The controllers are also mice
Well, that’s not nothing. It’s almost nothing, but not nothing.
I was really hoping for the hand-held virtual portal they had planned a few years ago. Assuming it got scrapped when 3DS didn’t do as well as they hoped. But yeah, basically the tech from the *new 3DS, upgraded to a bigger single screen with an imu so you could use the portal to control the in-game camera. And it would basically feel like you are looking through and holding an actual portal into the videogame world you are playing.
It’s possible to just do more easily/cheaply in VR now. But I still think a physical device doing it would surprise alot of people.
When the DS became the best selling gaming handheld we got
- DS OG 2004
- DS Lite 2006
- DSi 2009 (removed Gameboy slot)
- DSi XL 2010
They then went on to make the 3DS in multiple iterations including one where they just removed the 3D functionality and sold it again as a DS and the most recent model in 2017 was…
- New Nintendo 2DS XL
When they have a successful and well selling portable console they slow down on the innovation and go full into embrace the ecosystem as long as possible with minor improvements and if we use the DS as an indicator we have a decade of this.
Yeah it would be very dumb not to capitalize on the success of the Switch.
The difference here is the entire DS line played the same games and provided the same core hardware. The 3DS, 3DS XL, and 2DS all played the same games.
The Switch comparison here would be:
- OG Switch
- Switch Lite
- OLED Switch
The closest comparison for Switch 2 would be the “New 3DS” which had a handful of games that weren’t backwards compatible. Or maybe the Wii U, although that tried to be innovative enough to be its own thing.
We haven’t officially seen the specs yet but it seems safe to say they are more powerful and that “Switch 2 exclusive games” can access that power. That will mean its more like DS/3DS (or PS4/PS5) in that the new gen will get its own library but will still have access to the sizable software catalogue from the earlier gen.
Yeah, but those are just different models, not different systems. Those DSs were all running the same operating system and playing the same games. We’re not talking about a new generation of console (except front DS to 3DS, which I would say is a pretty big graphical shake-up).
Eh, I had the Gameboy, then the Gameboy pocket, then the Gameboy color, then the Gameboy advance, then the Gameboy advance SP, then the DS, and so on. Sure, some were just different models of the same base console, but several were real upgrades with exclusive game libraries. This upgrade feels par for the course when it comes to Nintendo handhelds, and honestly, I like that. The switch was a great idea, and jumping to a new thing just because there’s some competition would be lame. Pretty much the only benefit of capitalism is supposed to be the whole “competition breeds innovation” thing. Maybe we’ll get a bit of that in the handheld market for once.
You’re actually skipping one of their handhelds: the Virtual Boy, Nintendo’s attempt at a 3D console in 1995. It was such a huge flop that its designer, Gunpei Yokoi, delayed his retirement in order to help develop the Gameboy Pocket, which was meant to hold the company over until the Gameboy Color was ready for launch.
I get what about not jumping to a new thing just because, but that’s kinda Nintendo’s whole thing (well, that and abusive IP lawsuits). Sometimes it’s a huge hit, like the Wii, and sometimes it’s a train wreck, like the Wii U, but it’s always different and, either way, it usually causes them to innovate.
That’s what I like about Nintendo; unlike their competitors, they’re not releasing the same product every few years with a graphical update, but that seems like what they’re doing here. I’m used to seeing them keep the same system alive for a decade, like the Gameboy or DS, and I’m used to them coming to market late with a relatively underpowered system, but I’m not used to seeing them say, “That was successful, let’s just make another one of those.”
Ok. That’s great buddy. (☞ ಠ_ಠ)☞
I’m gonna exit this conversation now.
LOL, weird reaction, but OK.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Looks good! 🤩
It does!
I hope Ring Fit is backwards compatible!
Finally! This makes me very happy :)
Me too!
Me too!
I wonder how much power it’ll have
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For those curious about the internal hardware: https://youtu.be/KoN1ZdnreNM
So basically the same thing with upgraded hardware?
I already have upgraded hardware that can run switch games. It’s called a computer. I built it mostly using parts being sold at offices that were going out of business. I only needed to buy a GPU and a decent PSU. I found a free open source OS, booted it up and installed an open source program called ryujinx. And I barely have any issues playing games on it.
Imagine if Nintendo, instead of wasting all this time, money, rare earth minerals, and contributing to global heating by manufacturing these rather pointless consoles, simply developed games that could be ran on a computer or decently powerful smart phone.
They could focus on making games.
I primarily place PC games, but you fundamentally misunderstand the target audience, especially domestic in Japan, their habits, and the usecase of the switch for them.
They could focus on making games.
They’re already the best in the world at this so idk what you expect firing a few dozen lawyers will add here
I deal with tech 24/7. Sometimes I just want push button, no setup gaming. I pc game, I also console game because sometimes software, hardware, drivers and other stuff just get in the way. Just yesterday I was using moonlight to stream from my pc. It refused to display a resolution that worked just 5 minutes prior. After over an hour of troubleshooting, I almost just bought the game on Xbox so I wouldn’t have to mess with it.
Why are you in the Nintendo community for console gamers commenting about emulation?
I have a PC that I built that runs Linux Mint. I have a Steam Deck. I can also emulate whatever game I want.
Some Nintendo fans just want to buy Nintendo things and enjoy the experience because they love the games. Let gamers enjoy games no matter how they want to play them.
I am also excited for this new console and will be watching it to see if it’s a good fit me in the future.
Honestly I didn’t look at the community, but it shouldn’t matter since criticism should be embraced when it’s made in good faith. Also I don’t care if I get down voted.
Some Nintendo fans just want to buy Nintendo things and enjoy the experience because they love the games.
I agree 100%. And I like these games too. I’m just saying that it’s the games and not the console which is the actual thing that these users love and enjoy.
I doubt users enjoy buying new consoles every few years, dealing with supply chain issues, privacy issues, and contributing to our throw away society.
I used to game on consoles too till my Xbox 360 got a red ring of death, my PS2 just stopped working, and my gamecube stopped reading disks. I realized that I could do nothing to fix them, they had to be recycled, and I would have to replace them with something else. Around the same time I realized how much I can do with a PC. From work, to watching movies, listening to music, and yes even gaming. But the cherry on top was how easy they were to upgrade, change parts, and fix.
I’m not saying that Nintendo shouldn’t be involved in how their games run. But I am saying there really should be other options. Even Sony release games on PC.
That’s what I said. Really though, that is basically what all consoles are. They just used to get really dramatic upgrades because the period of time they released have been big growth periods. These days? Everyone has conformed to the same thing and given up on proprietary stuff. Then I thought about how this really is odd for Nintendo since they genuinely strive to offer something unique and new each time. Then I realized it’s also called switch 2 so I don’t feel like they did anything wrong since what did I expect to change when they are literally telling you what it is which is pretty much defined already.
In the end, I think it’s a smart move. It’s the least disruptive path and probably the cheapest route for them to continue on and as long as the thing is really powerful I think it’s a good idea to continue the brand for another 5 years. I do have my doubts that it will be powerful so that we’ll just have to wait and see. Nintendo has never been big on offering up the most powerful hardware, so I expect it to be a few years behind already.
They just used to get really dramatic upgrades because the period of time they released have been big growth periods.
That was most of the tech industry when I was growing up. When I was 13, a computer with a 66 Mhz processor and 32Mb RAM was a beast of a machine, and only 6 years later in '99, we had broken the 1Ghz CPU barrier and were typically installing 256Mb to a whole Gigabyte of RAM.
These days, I can still decently run the majority of modern games on a 12 year old machine. The “home computer revolution” that started in the 80s has most definitely flatlined and nothing very interesting is happening anymore. Kinda the same thing that happened to smartphones. Where now taking shit away (like the headphone jack) is considered “innovation”.
It feels like they are following their handheld releases
Game Boy > Game Boy Pocket > Game Boy Color Game Boy Advanced > Game Boy Advanced SP DS > DSi > DSi XL 3DS > 3DS XL / 2DA > 2D XL
Though this is the first time they are just using a number.
Don’t forget the N3DS which actually was more powerful than the original and had the second, tiny analog stick.
Nintendo’s main consoles usually change pretty drastically generation to generation after SNES.
SNES -> N64, 3D graphics and bizarre controller.
N64 -> GameCube, sensible controller and generational leap in graphics (better than the PS2 for sure).
GameCube -> Wii, shit graphics but with motion control
Wii -> Wii U, decent graphics, tablet!
Wii U -> Switch, Portable hybrid
Switch -> Switch 2, uhhhh spec bump
It’s definitely out of character
GameCube, sensible controller
No shade on the GameCube controller, but “sensible” is not the first adjective that comes to mind for that thing. It looks like a fever dream.
Maybe a matter of taste; that remains my favorite layout. Massive primary button, smaller secondary button, tertiary buttons wrapped around and in easy reach of the others. Add a left shoulder button and it’s basically perfect to me.
If you compare it to Nintendo’s handheld line then it makes a lot more sense, especially considering the Switch Lite, and OLED Switch.
Gameboy, Gameboy Pocket, Gameboy Light, Gameboy Color
Gameboy Advance, Gameboy Advance SP, Gameboy Advance Micro
DS, DS Lite, DSi/XL
3DS/XL, 2DS, N3DS/XL, N2DS/XL
and now the Switch, Switch Lite, OLED Switch, and now the incremental hardware upgrade with the Switch 2
The Gameboy color, arguably the whole Advance line, DSi, arguably the whole 3DS line, and absolutely the N3DS/N2DS ones were definitely incremental upgrades.
Color obviously brought color and better hardware. Advance brought shoulder buttons and better hardware though no hardware changes within the advance line. DSi introduced the home screen and the online store to the DS line along with better hardware. 3DS brought better hardware and many advancements to the OS experience of the DSi. N3DS brought better hardware and a second joystick.
To me how Nintendo is treating the Switch 2 makes a lot more sense in comparison to the handheld consoles instead of home consoles.
Looks like it. I agree with the yt comment. They just wanted to get it out so the rumors don’t take control.
Looks like some games may not work via the warning at the end.
That’s kind of expected, even without weird peripherals.
Every time a console offers platform level BC there are a few games that uses some undocumented trick to run on the original hardware and end up having trouble on the new hardware.
This is how Sony presents the situation, stating that 4000+ ps4 titles will work on ps5 and then naming the few that don’t:
https://www.playstation.com/en-au/support/games/ps5-backward-compatibility-games/#only
IIRC the list was a little bit longer at first but some devs patched their titles to fix compatibility.
That’s probably due to the new controllers. Can’t fit them into the Starlink holder or the Ring Fit anymore.
I mean, there wasn’t a lot wrong with the switch to begin with.
It couldn’t even play first-party games at a solid 30 fps, and the sticks on the joycons were infamously shitty.
Both of which are fixed with doing the same, but upgrading the hardware…?
Yeah exactly. If those things are fixed and it’s got a better battery and CPU/GPU and more RAM, that’s great. Nintendo had a history of just going in completely different directions with every generation, so it’s good to see them just try and improve on a good thing.
Well don’t forget the DSi, New 3DS, or the Gameboy Color. This feels like pretty much the same as any of those.
That can be a good thing. Iterative improvement is vastly underrated.
I am still holding out hope for something really cool from the software side.
Welcome to computer hardware upgrades.
Woah the lawsuit company that makes games on the side did a thing other then filing lawsuits?
Doesn’t matter, I won’t be spending any more money on Nintendouch products.
They ruined enough fan projects for me to start hating them.
And I have not even touched the subject of the calculated breaking point in the original Switch, better known as Joy-Cons.
None of the fan projects would even be possible without Nintendo in the first place, but you do you.
Umm, no? There would just be more fan projects of other games.
Agreed. Especially with x86 and the cornucopia of retro handhelds coming out all the time. Why would I want to waste money on a product that’s going to come out already inferior to the competition, with locked down software experience, from a company that bullies their own fans?
Great games, shitty company. Unfortunately, because of the first thing, a lot of people ignore (and even defend) the second thing.
They moved the charging port to the top!
Seems like there are two which is cool
I am not sure about the exposed connector on the side of the system that inserts into the Joycon. I could see a kid jamming the controller onto the system at a bad angle and breaking it.
I had exactly the same thought.
This is so big of a design flaw, I wonder if it’s not accepted as a way to sell more…
Hanlon’s razor
It seems like the colored area on the side of the joycon fits pretty snuggly into the recess. I’m not sure if you could put it in at any other angle than the one that would marry them up
As soon as I saw that I thought “there’s this generation’s joycon deadzone”
More like this generations Nintendo DS hinge crack.
The joycon drift can happen regardless of how well you treat the analog sticks
I’m very curious what they’ve done to prevent people accidentally forcefully removing it during gameplay. The sliding lock was annoying at first, but if you’ve ever gripped the controller hard at a pivotal moment it’s probably good that it didn’t rip away or even stress the parts.
The leaks showed what looked like a release button like the original joycons.
gotta wait until April to see any games? damn lol
On the bright side it confirms backwards compatibility which is big.
There is a note in the trailer that some Nintendo Switch 1 games won’t be fully compatible, wonder what the differences are that makes a game compatible or not
I’m thinking Labo and ring fit because the console and controller dimensions are different.
I would hope you can still pair an old controller for that
My switch mostly get used for ring fit these days.
Ring Fit is such a fun game! It really gamified exercise in a way that even my ridiculous ADHD brain can’t resist.
Still haven’t gotten past that level with like 120 squats though.
I’m thinking since there’s no camera at the bottom, some games like the newest warioware won’t work
There is no IR-sensor. So maybe the 3 games using them are not compatible.
I am expecting something similar to PS5 backward compatibility, I think there were 11 or 12 games, out of thousands, that had compatibility issue, and even then some of those are playable, just crash now and then.
If fairly priced it’s a great choice if one has been waiting for Switch Pro
Huh. I thought it was February because Eurogamer linked the US trailer. I had to go double check. You’re correct.
xx.yy.ZZZZ strikes again.
Did they say for sure that there will not be any game announcements before April? I was hoping, since Nintendo has officially announced the system, developers would start listing it as a release target for their games. Even Nintendo might have a new game trailer and put a sneaky “for the Switch 2” at the end.
they did not, but I am assuming the date in April is when we would see anything regarding it.
side note, I hate the name switch 2. why not super switch? 😭
Because people are very dumb and we’d have a Wii U situation where large amounts of people would think it’s some optional add on for the Switch.
Been like 8 years I kind of thought it would be a little different but the if it ain’t broke don’t fix it approach has made a lot of money for people in the past I suppose.
Hm, Mario Kart 9 seems to look pretty similar to MK8. I had hoped for a new art direction / style.
Did it even say it was MK9?
Even if it didn’t, so you really think that Nintendo won’t make Mario cart 9?
I keep hoping for Mario Kart Ultimate with every retro track, but I know I’m just setting myself up for disappointment.
It’s doesn’t say Mario Kart 9 but that does look like new character models to me. I’m expecting them to drop the numbering system and go back to subtitles anyway though.
Super Mario Kart 8++ Ultra 2
Super Switch 2: Turbo Championship Edition and Knuckles
No, but it wasn’t footage from Mario Kart 8.
I made this FOSS template for easy reuse.
def describe_nintendo_creativity(nintendo_game_name, new_version_number): print( f"Hm, {nintendo_game_name} {new_version_number} seems to look pretty similar " f"to {nintendo_game_name} {new_version_number - 1}." ) describe_nintendo_creativity("Mario Kart", 9) describe_nintendo_creativity("Pokemon", 21)A thing I just thought of is that it’d be super cool if - by using the joy con as a mouse - they had a track creator mode where you could share custom tracks.
I never bought the first Switch, so this is just another thing I won’t buy.
Obligatory fuck Nintendo.
