Interesting statistics on this (mind you, this is all from quick Google searches because I was curious). Data centers use about 90 billion kWh of power a year globally (which seems to include servers, cooling, and all the misc energy usage) while AC use is about 250 billion kWh per year globally.
Of that 90 billion kWh a year, I have no clue how much of it is used on AI (and how much AI is going to increase that number in the future) but it seems like, today at least, AC usage puts a lot more stress on the power grid than data centers do.
You also have to account for how that power is used. Data centers will use a pretty consistent amount all year long where AC usage spikes when needed hitting the grid with huge loads all at once.
I think (mostly based on articles like this one that I’ve been finding) that we aren’t seeing really how much energy they’re using and how quickly they’re growing in consumption.
Not a fan of disinformation so I’ll post this here as well:
I run ComfyUI locally on my own Laptop and generating an image takes 4 seconds, during which my 3070 Laptop GPU uses 80 Watts (the maximum amount of power it can use). It also fully uses one of the 16 threads of my i7-11800H (TDP of 45W). Let’s overestimate a bit and say it uses 100% of the CPU (even though in reality it’s only 6.25%), which adds 45 watts resulting in 125 watts (or 83 watts if you account for the fact that it only uses one thread).
That’s 125 watts for 4 seconds for one image, or about 0.139 WH (0.000139KWH). That would be 7200 images per KWH. Playing one hour of Cyberpunk on a PS5 (assuming 200 watts) would be equivalent to me generating 1440 images on my laptop.
“Sources”:
https://www.ecoenergygeek.com/ps5-power-consumption/How much of a prude must you be to think you need to censor the word tits?
I keep mine at 80 24/7. Not too warm not to cold, and keeps the humidity out so no sweat
Not too warm? How do you sleep at 80? At 74 I’m calling to get the A/C checked, 72 is the highest ‘acceptable’ temp indoors.
Maybe for you. I have worked and lived in 100+ degree temps dor decades so i guess have become used to it. 72 actually brings me to shivers if im not moving around in it.
I guess we all operate a little differently, been in tx and surrounding for decades too. I’d trade, I wish I wasn’t sweating at 80, would save on my electric bill
Damn that’s hot.
26c?
laughs in Australian
Its only hot when youre used to living in the northern climates. Here in texas its quite comfortable after a long day outside
I absolutely live in a Northern climate
Californian here, the fuck it is. Hot is at minimum high 80s but thats only with high UV low UV an the minimum is low 90s.
Swede here, even 23 degrees (Celsius of course) is pretty hot when it’s in the sun and it’s not windy.
It’s not terribly hot or anything but it’s still hot.
If there is no wind and it’s very sunny it’s hot and on the edge of being uncomfortable in normal clothes.
Okay, but like… can I see it?
2 more than the Total Recall lady.
Seems a shame to slurp all that power and then keep the titties to yourself.
https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui
slap the two together and have fun
Will this work on a Radeon 760M? I couldn’t find instructions for that.
Just install automatic.
A girl with 5 tits?!
That’s disgusting. Where?
I can be your friend whom you are asking this question for
Makes me wish I had five hands.
So you can give them tiddies five thumbs down?
Your face, both feet, both hands
Whats her contact?? also amen and godbless
I will push the grid raw evey august. Fuck you LA.
I specifically asked for five pictures of girls with one tit. No wonder the usage is so high!
Whoa!
Are they sharing the same tit?
Optimally, yes.
1 image of a girl with 5 tits
This comment isn’t about the genocide in Palestine. You’re complicit in the system and endorsing genocide.
Fuck off. This is irrelevant and unnecessary.
This dude is an asshole who endorses vandalizing public libraries if it supports his political narrative. If he’s in favor of people shouting their opinion where it isn’t wanted, them I’m sure he’ll be in favor of my comment.
Username checks out.
That’s 7 tits.
This guy counts
Those are Great
One is blue
A tits a tit. I don’t care what color they are, big or smole.
I love them all.
It’s a nice set of peckers.
Don’t censor the word tits ya fucking prude!
Censor normal words and make people wonder what they even are or if they’re bad now.
*ay.
C**tainly
The fuck you just say to me?
Cuntainly
Like this?
█████ ██ █ ████ Everything ███ █████ is ████ ██ ████ fine ████ ███ █ █████ love. █████ █████ ███ your ████ ████ government
i tried tapping those boxes way too many times to see the text behind them…
TIL I’m in a abusive relationship with my government.
Better late than never.
This works great with religious songs and bleeping.
I didn’t want to break the NSFW rules… in case it did.
Honestly censoring it like this just calls more attention to it. Had it not been censored I’d have just read the word and moved on. Had it been censored but using the same colour as the background I’d have read it, spent some time thinking “I hate this trend of censoring benign uses of language to bypass big social media companies’ filters, but I guess it’s necessary” (because I’d have assumed you grabbed this from a Twitter or Facebook post).
But censoring with a big red squiggle, the first thing I read was tits. All the downsides of the subtle censoring, but then it also gets seen over and over again because it visually stands out so much.
Not a mod here, but I don’t see how written tits could be a problem. Hell, artsy tits should probably be fine too. Sexual tits are, I’m pretty sure, the actual line.
Unless it’s actually a pair of them then no, and if some mod says otherwise then I don’t want to use their children’s internet
Thanks for being so cool and letting tit enthusiasts have a place to be themselves.
It’s not a pair, didn’t you read, it’s five of them!
We’ll make our own internet…and we’ll bring back the blackjack and hookers.
Gee almost as if capitalism is the actual underlying issue.
Free market economics are going to slurp any extra watt as long as it’s capable of making a modicum of profit, unless it is just told “no”. The private sector is going to have to pay far more for their power, or else we’ll never reach NET zero emissions.
“bUt ThInK aBoUt ThE eCoNoMy!!”
- Everytime, anyone every mentions any of the many unfair advantages that businesses are getting.
Just replace “economy” with “rich peoples money” to translate.
Perhaps people would give a shit about the economy if we could afford to own a house?
There’s no free market. Free market would mean no copyright, no patents, no brand protection. With real free market (provided you have endless energy from Satan knows where to support that state of things) we’d have noname small to medium businesses coming and going, bigger corporations existing for very complex supply chains and\or some advantageous trade secrets.
That would potentially cause stagnation in some long perspective, but fix the current situation.
Are you suggesting we harvest portals to hell for unlimited free energy? Genius!
Well, there is a joke about Chernobyl station fulfilling the 5-year plan for energy output in 5 seconds.
I meant that to protect that free market from various people trying to make it less free in their favor you’d need that energy. Which is why it’ll never reach that state.
And removing those very important limitations I named is very hard, even unrealistic maybe, but that doesn’t mean that it’s adequate to pretend that a market including them is free. They change everything.
I was referencing Doom, where free energy was one of the excuses for the hell portals.
The really juicy bit is the hypocrisy of asking common people to refrain from consuming.
“Fuck you plebe” would at least have the positive of being honest.
That’s history. The ones with the means hoard anything of value while blaming the commons for their problems. Doesn’t matter if it’s the Irish Potato Famine or telling us global warming is our fault because we didn’t buy enough greenwashed shit to fix it.
The Irish famine was more of a result of imperial policy. It’s about genocidal states, not capitalism. I mean, yes, most of Ireland was owned by landlords residing elsewhere, and “protection” of their rights was one of the reasons, but there were also things quite obviously showing the intent, like widespread destruction of church records and local history.
It can both be about profit and genocide. They can exist at the same time. IOW, genocide can be profitable.
There really was a motive, if you wish, to use the land freed by expelled (or dead) tenants for something else.
I just don’t like blaming things on markets and profit motives and capitalism in general, because “tit for tat” in human interactions is not something you can just replace ideologically. It’s in our nature. The sane approach is to make it work in less catastrophic ways, like with sports and video games and martial arts and adult entertainment.
I think profit and power, or the lack thereof, can be the root of a lot of these awful human traits. It can just be straight up greed driven by a few looking to gain power and/or money that push an agenda of [insert tried and true bogeymen here like xenophobia, religion, racism, etc.] to create motives and instabity to trigger the wars. It could be genuine problems like economic issues or severe agricultural deficiency, via real misfortune or more likely due to greed, corruption, and mismanagement by the country’s leadership. Even religion can be the rationalization, a tit-for-tat, but nonetheless the end result is to take that the enemy has. It doesn’t have to be formalized markets or capitalism.
I, for one, welcome our hot, five-titty future
1 AI search uses the equivalent of 10 google searches…
Just imagine how much power you’re using up browsing the web lol.
AI is not making or breaking power grids, water sources, or any other bullshit alarmist prop you’re peddling like AI isn’t being used all over from image generation, checking your shitty grammar, or saving us all time from writing bullshit proper emails every day.
LLMs are 5 tits of awesome that I’ll be suckling on every chance I get.
Large Language Model searches are distinct from text-to-image generative “AI” image processing. Generative image AI uses more energy.
Also Google searches are AI searches now.
Yep, I’m familiar with it. More from previous comments since these disingenuous memes get pedaled here regularly. People love to spout stats about AI in data centers that aren’t just used for AI without having any sense of how much CO2 is produced from really really common stuff lol. Let alone it being contingent on being run in non-renewable powered areas.
1 AI search = 10 google searches. https://www.snexplores.org/article/green-artificial-intelligence-less-energy-ai-climate
How about watching TikTok? 30 minutes of video daily = 28kg of carbon a year. https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/social-media-emissions-carbon-footprint/ or https://www.comparethemarket.com.au/energy/features/social-carbon-footprint-calculator/ or https://yoast.com/carbon-footprint-of-website/
Oh no 1/5 a city’s water! They use 770,000 gallons a day… So it uses 154,000 gallons of water for an entire piece of critical infrastructure that keeps the internet running. For the entire data center lol.
https://www.newsweek.com/why-ai-so-thirsty-data-centers-use-massive-amounts-water-1882374
A real common citation is how much carbon it takes to initially train these too. 500 tons of carbon dioxide… That’s the only 33/334,000,000 Americans worth of CO2 for the year lol.
https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/how-much-ton-carbon-dioxide
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ais-climate-impact-goes-beyond-its-emissions/
You sound very angry and defensive. And you will continue to do so after evidence shows that AI has had a negative impact on the environment. On the bright side, the end of humanity will mean that people being angry and defensive won’t exist either, which will be nice.
Angry and defensive? Sounds like they are saying AI is ten times less efficient than what we’ve already built but they are fine with that because of the convenience the new tool offers them. They seem like they are attempting humor more than expressing anger to me.
They seem like they are attempting humor
Ha, yes, “bullshit alarmist prop” truly is a very funny phrase!
That does not sound angry in the slightest.
How about instead of strawmanning their emotional state, why don’t you be a better person?
Agreed, there is no sound, because this medium is purely text-based, so we have limited information. This is why saying things like “be a better person” can come off as silly.
The environmental impact is interesting, if an AI search being as environmentally impactful as 10 Google searches is true.
I don’t know about you, but it often takes a number of Google searches for me to find the right information, whereas with AI and Google combined I usually get the info I need in 1/2 Google searches.
That means that, based on my personal experience, AI is probably more environmentally efficient at getting me the correct info than google search alone.
The ai results from Google I have been getting are less helpful than two specific searches. It could be because of how we search for things and it is definitely getting messed with because of seo weighting and ai targeting those tools, so I think a better option would be to teach people how to actually use the search engines properly instead of just sitting back and letting ais pick up slack.
My scenario is that I use chatgpt to get context and terminology in the area I’m researching.
I then know how to do more specific Google searches (only 1/2).
So effectively 11-12 searches vs 2.
I guess it adds up to 12 searches worth of environmental impact with chatgpt+Google (10 searches worth from chatgpt, 2 from Google)
When I use Google alone it’s often the same as that if not more. Sometimes it’s less if I already know the subject matter, but in those scenarios I would usually give just Google a go first anyway.
Basically chatgpt often either gives me the answer or a much better starting place for what to Google.
I don’t understand the chatgpt bit still. When you say you need more context on the subject matter, you could search for the wiki or a forum and get the same information chatgpt is pulling without the impact.
Try using the duckduckgo search engine. I switched recently and the search results are way better than Google now. I get what I’m looking for first try more often than not.
I have the opposite issue with DDG and it’s been my default search engine for a year now. I frequently have to try bing or Google or cheat and just use reddit for specific info just like I did with Google.
DDG is terrible at indexing certain info though and really only hits some of the biggest sites.
Trying to vaguely search for stuff is an absolute crapshoot on DDG.
DDG is bing though, is it not?
That’s interesting, I’ve been having way better luck digging around on ddg. Google just seems to serve up ads when I’m trying to research a company or something and won’t give me what I’m looking for.
Maybe its the types of things I search for though. It’s really hard to sayI think a large part of it is whether you know what you’re searching for already. If you have a good idea of what it is already then you can generally find it. If you’re already good at using search terms or syntax it’s always helpful but it was the same for Google.
Simply put though Google just scrapes waaaaaaay more data so it’s going to have more to index from.
Either way it’s just one tool. Just like I’m using Bing for porn over either lol.
https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/syntax/
AI has a negative impact on the environment today (because of energy use) but it could also result in breakthroughs in battery and power generation technology that enable us to overcome our energy problems. It’s already having a huge impact with things like medicine and was a key component in recent advancements in fusion reactor design (which would be the thing that saves us from our energy problems).
It’s not all LLM and image generation.
but it could also
If the last 20 years has taught us anything, I think it should be to hold back on assuming that technology makes the world better without significant drawbacks.
Data centers with AI won’t be in cities.
Hosting will be where it’s cheap, and that’s not in Phoenix or Vegas, except those things that must be near-line. Deep thought shit will be in rural Oregon or Virginia, where juice more plentiful and trouble is not.
Sooooo, false equivalence.
Texas power grid is a special case though.
It’s the same issue with all power grids, the one in the city isn’t separate from the one in rural locations, hell over here the longest main line is over 1000km long, that’s a whole lot of locations getting their electricity from the same place
Do your goalposts have wheels?
The bulk of datacenters in Virginia are not in a rural area at all. The Northern Virginia area is the datacenter capital of the world, and they are all in urban/suburban areas. Check it out for yourself.
Yeah, there’s a bunch of DCs in Vegas.
