It’s pretty rich that one of his stans is harping about how the Left “steals elections”, yet his guy literally tried that in the last election cycle. Then there’s also Bush v Gore. But yeah, it’s those crafty lefties doing the stealing!
Or the state of Georgia’s governor race, where the server was wiped after the election, and then the backup server was wiped.
Every accusation is a confession.
It’s not even all about being hackable. Voters should be able to fully understand exactly how their vote is counted. These systems ain’t it.
Unironically blockchain go brrrrr
not even joking, i find that if there’s one Twitter account to act as a definitive guide to policy, science, technology and various issues, it’s Elon’s account.
just carefully read every tweet and do the exact opposite. there’s no way you can go wrong with it.
Broken clock this time though. Electronic voting is risky.
Reminder that this fucking moron is pushing Twitter as a financial tool. He wants you to use X like you would use your credit card.
But voting machines are insecure?
He wants you to use X like you would use your credit card.
I won’t even use xitter like social media. Why in hell would I consider it as a credit card? Oh, I get it. The target audience is the idiot army.
He’s still pissed he got booted from PayPal. He cashed in, but they didn’t let him run it.
He wants you to use X like you would use your credit card.
I should have seen this coming.
That same year, Musk co-founded X.com, a direct bank. X.com merged with Confinity in 2000 to form PayPal. In October 2002, eBay acquired PayPal for $1.5 billion. (wikipedia)
Aw man, he’s trying to build Paypal? Again?
A broken clock etc etc
Also, relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/2030/
Blockchain technology based electronic voting could be safer but regular EVMs are still hackable
The problem is not being secure; it is convincing people that it is secure. Even the stupidest person understands that marking off a paper in a booth and then depositing it in a locked box is secure. The voting method must give voters confidence that their vote was counted, the election was fair, and the results are legitimate.
That gives so much more opportunity for human intervention.
A good locksmith is all it takes to manipulate the votes.
Even if you keep it under tight security and surveillance they can bribe the security.
In my state, here’s how it works:
- Receive ballot by mail
- Drop ballot off at a drop box
- Wait a few days
- Check online that it was received and the signature is accepted
- Check on election day that the vote was counted
To break that system, you’d need to also hack the website or manipulate the votes on election day. That’s a lot harder than manipulating proprietary software by bribing a software engineer somewhere.
In my country here’s how it works:
- Parties provides free food and transport to unemployed masses they know will vote for them
- Wait 3-4 hours in queue at polling station to receive ballot in person
- Drop ballot in secure box
- Go back to work for a few days
- See on election day that the party that spent the most on voter courting wins
How would you propose we deal with this when people who are working (and can’t take a day off to go vote) would come out in much smaller numbers than ones that have nothing else to do (and get free lunch and transit to and from the polling stations) and even when voting happens on a weekend you have to trade your only time off to go and vote out of the goodness of your heart.
I think this is one of the reasons for digital voting - I’d much rather be able to vote from work or home or anywhere when I don’t have the time to sit on a queue for 5 hours just to have my vote diminished by a group that isn’t politically active but loves a free lunch and something to do
I am not in favour of EVMs here.
However there are pros and cons for both systems
I am just saying if you go for an electronic voting system using an airtight blockchain like Bitcoin and ethereum to verify votes using a biometric database is the only system trustworthy enough because.
If you use multiple blockchains like these it would require 10 trillion dollars or more to get the computing and staking power to hack the system.
It’s inconceivably costlier than hacking a physical election.
Russia also has paper ballots and I can assure you we can easily kick out Putin with a blockchain based voting system.
EVMs aren’t a vote from home option, they just replace steps 1&2 with a machine instead of a ballot drop box. So maybe your wait goes down to 2-3 hours because it’s a little faster.
I’m saying we replace the physical voting locations entirely and you can drop your ballot in your mailbox, or drop it at one of the secure voting boxes throughout the city. So it doesn’t matter if you work two jobs and can’t get a couple hours off, if you can check your mail and fill out a form, you can vote. And the ballot comes a few weeks before election day, so you have time.
I think we should also have a federal “election day” holiday so people can research candidates and vote.
In many countries there is a security camera placed over the ballot box which is livestreamed to the Internet
Just turn off the camera and manipulate all you like
“Playing board games is pointless because people can just cheat”
Also, you can recount papers if you think something somewhere went wrong for some reason. You can’t manually recheck software.
No it wouldn’t.
A classic. By the way electronic with paper trail gives you faster counts, a way to validate the results and recompute them by hand when there’s an issue.
And doing voting over multiple days and/or by mail in ballots gives you time to count everything.
The people pushing for same day and only that day with all votes counted that day just ignore the logistics and practicality of having people vote. Or, I suspect, rather like that it makes it impossible for highly populated areas to have their votes counted while lower populated areas votes are counted.
I’ve seen pushes for mail in ballots to be held and not counted until Election Day and then only those ballots counted by the end of Election Day counted. Which is absurd. Do mail in, count them up to and after. Or count them up to and give people with mail in ballots access to them a lot earlier. So they can be accurately counted leading up to Election Day.
Of course the logistics of having people able to monitor those ballots over a larger period of time is tricky too. Hence why they’re often not counted until day of and so, by extension, result in ballots not being fully counted for a few days.
The people pushing for same day and only that day with all votes counted that day just ignore the logistics and practicality of having people vote.
Oh, I can assure you that-
Or, I suspect, rather like that it makes it impossible for highly populated areas to have their votes counted while lower populated areas votes are counted.
I never should have doubted you.
Having multiple days of open voting would be a game changer for some people. It can be absurdly difficult to actually get the day off, depending on the employer, and I’ve had ones try to treat it as a “perk”, like it shouldn’t be the damned baseline that we’re able to actually take part in the democratic process they’re parading around like a shiny bauble.
Personally I think they should do something like opening the polls on October 1st and then have November 1st be closing day, and all through October we take a page from the aussies and just have a rolling cookout/party at each of the polling places.
Ya get your “I voted sticker” any time in the month and can walk right in for beer and hot dogs and heck maybe even some of Kronk’s spinach puffs if that one guy can make Babish’s recipe work like he said he was gonna at the planning meeting for who’s bringing the goods, and best of all, it’s rolling for a month, so you’ve got every opportunity to stop in and cast your ballot, or just to come back with your “I voted” sticker to keep enjoying the festivities!
This is our most sacred institution as a nation, we should be making a celebration out of it!
That sounds a lot like early voting which I have used in the past.
Yup, I’m in a state with mail voting, and it’s great! The ballot comes with the “I voted” sticker, you can drop off the ballot any time before election day (or mail it), and you can check if they’ve received and counted it online. It’s great! I’ve never been to a voting booth and I don’t intend to ever go.
In Minnesota, the law requires employers to give employees time off (of their choosing) to vote. At my previous job where they were anal about time in the office, I made a point of voting in the middle of the day which would require another commute. When I got the nasty email about “break too long”. I just replied with a link the statute. And made sure all my co-workers knew what their rights were.
And made sure all my co-workers knew what their rights were.
As commies would say, you showed class consciousness.
I’ve had ones try to treat it as a “perk”
Damn. “Perk” of being citizen.
One day only in person voting is purposeful suppression of votes.
Also, am coder, 100% agree with xkcd. I’m still amazed the Internet itself works.
It is theoretically possible to devise a mathematically secure electronic voting system using cryptography, but only if everyone can follow instructions perfectly and people can understand how it works and why their vote is secure. In other words, not in any way that would work in real life.
The principal benefit of pen-and-paper voting is that it is really easy to convince people that taking a ballot paper into a booth, marking it, and then depositing the ballot into a locked glass box which is later counted in front of a room of independent observers is a secure way to run elections. It is impossible to convince the average voter that cryptographically secure voting schemes are actually immune from tampering.
Edit: I never understood why we have “election days”. Why not have an “election week”?
I’m still amazed the Internet itself works.
Same here. FWIW, it’s built on older, slower, less-reliable tech, which forced ridiculous amounts of resiliency into every layer of the design. It’s still amazing, but perhaps slightly less so if we look back 40 years. I’m convinced that some parts are running just fine over infrastructure no better than wet string.
Yah, on this particular thing, he’s not wrong.
Everythinge else, though, he’s fucking batshit.
Seems almost paradoxical but yeah physical voting is the way to go https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LkH2r-sNjQs
As others have said, the scalability ideal is to have electric/mechanical counters but with paper ballots. Keeps the paper trail for double checking, but also allows poll workers to deliver quick initial results to everyone breathing down their necks.
My state does Scantron style ballots. You fill in the little ovals and put it into a machine to be counted.
Well here in Germany we have about 40-50 million votes to count in a federal election. Right when the booths close we get an exit poll that is already pretty close. After 1-2 hours there are extrapolations that are even closer and next morning, there is usually the certified result. All on paper, counted by hand.
Pretty sure that’s how we do it up on Canada. I think random samples are hand-counted to make sure the machine count is accurate. There’s early voting too so not all just in one day.
I’ve never used a machine in 40 years of voting in Canada. And if they show up, I won’t use them.
We fill out a paper, but a machine might scan them based on what OP is saying.
Then they will spot check it and have the paper backup if needed.
Did Musk figure out people will always rather want the opposite of what he is yapping about?
To me that’s the minor issue. The real question is whether people can vote online. Clearly they should be able to, we ought to be able to devise stable systems where they can, and in some states voters already do to some degree.
Voting booths are important. People should be able to vote how they want, and that means secret ballots. This is only possible with a secure space.
I know that Americans love mail-in voting and yearn for online voting, but mail-in is a poor substitute for voting booths, and online voting would be terrible for this plus many many other reasons.
Even if we had online voting the DRM required to make sure nothing is amiss would be kernel level and unavailable to linux users or if available, objectionable. It would also probably be tied to fucking chrome.
That sounds like a really bad idea to me. Over here the voting machines are completely offline and don’t have a hard drive. It prints out a small receipt with your vote in human readable form and as a QR code, which you drop in an electronic ballot box. As a software engineer, this feels like the only safe voting machine.
Right, but the whole process is the issue. If the vote counters lie, or use counting machines that are broken, voters still lose. Only fixing one part of the process is insufficient.
Also, a lack of voter turnout is a huge issue, especially in countries where voters work hourly jobs and polls have meh hours or bad locations. I mean, less wealthy voters, of course.
Never focus on one step at the expense of the rest. People with bad intentions certainly won’t.
I understand your concerns. With our machines the QR codes can be forged, but manual recounts are done using the human readable votes on the receipts, which you have to check before leaving the voting booth and dropping the receipt in the ballot box.
Also, we have opkomstplicht (compulsory attendance), although research shows that our votes wouldn’t change a lot if voting were voluntary. We also always vote on Sundays.
EDIT: Also, about 1 million people (more than 10%) didn’t show up to vote, despite the possibility of getting a heavy fine. Not sure how this influenced the result.
“hundreds of voting irregularities”
Out of how many votes? Oh, enough votes that hundreds of irregularities is statistically irrelevant? Cool, just checking.
Oh, a fraction of a percent of than the thousands of manual votes that Republicans had and tried to have thrown out so that dumps could win in 2020? k, just checking.
Counterpoint: whatever methods Kemp used in GA to rig his election and erase the evidence point to significant flaws.
Wow, this is one of the very few oppinions me and Musk share.
@OP why add an acronym when it is just a twitter post that doesn’t even mention said acronym?
You’re not even American, you’re Swedish
Correct, but how is that relevant?
You’re saying you don’t trust our voting machines… even though you’re not American? Elon Musk is referring to American voting machines.
There is no safe voting machines. Countries or annoying Musk have nothing to do with that fact.
What do you suggest then, since in-person voting has actually been linked to fraud and manipulation. Voting machines are perfectly acceptable.
Let’s just do a quick AI generated list of examples:
Ballot Box Stuffing
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1948 Texas Senate Race: In the Democratic primary for the U.S. Senate, Lyndon B. Johnson narrowly defeated Coke Stevenson. Allegations of ballot box stuffing were rampant, particularly involving Box 13 in Jim Wells County, where 202 votes, all in alphabetical order and all for Johnson, were suspiciously added late.
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Chicago, Illinois (1960 Presidential Election): Allegations persist that Chicago’s Cook County, under Mayor Richard J. Daley, engaged in ballot box stuffing to help John F. Kennedy win Illinois and thus the presidency. Investigations revealed irregularities and improbable vote counts in several precincts.
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East Chicago, Indiana (2003 Mayoral Election): Incumbent Mayor Robert Pastrick was accused of ballot box stuffing. Investigations revealed that absentee ballots were manipulated, leading to multiple convictions of election officials for their roles in the fraud.
Ballot Destruction
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Kentucky (1944 U.S. Senate Election): In the Democratic primary, incumbent Senator Happy Chandler faced charges of ballot destruction. Boxes of ballots from counties favorable to his opponent were allegedly thrown out or destroyed, leading to investigations and widespread controversy.
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Georgia (1946 Governor’s Election): During the “Three Governors Controversy,” ballots in Telfair County were reportedly burned or otherwise destroyed to influence the election outcome. Supporters of Eugene Talmadge were implicated in the destruction of ballots that favored his opponents.
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2004 Ohio Presidential Election: In Cuyahoga County, reports surfaced that provisional ballots were improperly discarded or lost. Election observers noted that some ballots from predominantly Democratic precincts were missing or destroyed, raising questions about the integrity of the vote count.
These examples underscore the persistent vulnerabilities in the electoral process and the importance of robust oversight and security measures to safeguard the integrity of elections.
I suggest not wasting my time with your AI bait
You deleted your comment after my response. Lmao.
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Electronic voting is by definition not trustworthy enough.
A working election system needs to accomplish a few very contradictory things, while the voter needs to be annonymous, the system still needs to verify that one citizen only get’s one vote, the system also need to count each vote.
In the Swedish system, on election day you go to your polling station, you get three envelopes, you go behind a screen and pick the ballots for the party you want to vote for, if you want to be extra anonymous you grab one from each party, you do that for all three elections (state, region and municipality), they are colour coded and the envelopes have a small cutout to make the color visible.
You then go behind another screen and put your ballots in the envelopes and seal them, you then take your envelopes, walk over to the election officials, hand them your ID, votes and election card.
One election official reads your name and ID number, the other finds you in the list, the first election official confrims that the second is ready, and they then say “voted white, voted blue, voted yellow” as each envelope with the coresponsig ballot is placed in the proper urn.
After the polling station closes, they deal with the pre votes and mail votes, they check all election cards against the list, and if someone has voted in person, the pre vote or mail vote is tossed, if not they are processed just as normal.
Then all votes are counted to get a total, if there are more votes than there should be, if just a few then I have heard it being resolved by tossing random votes.
Then the envelopes are opened, and ballots sorted and counted, anyone may come in and watch the process at any point.
This can’t be done on a computer in a way that anyone should trust
It’s not accurate to say that electronic voting is inherently untrustworthy. That’s a subjective opinion rather than a fact.
There are countries that have successfully used electronic voting for a long time without significant issues. Since you’re European to begin with, take Estonia for example - their system is world class. Look it up.
Voter anonymity isn’t an issue exclusive to digital voting either. Standard voting systems also have to ensure that votes are cast anonymously while verifying the voter’s identity. With electronic voting, cryptography can be used to protect voter identity and maintain anonymity and it’s very effective.
You can also use advanced security measures like multi-factor authentication, biometric verification, and other technologies. There’s a metric shitload of ways to enhance security in electronic voting.
Electronic voting can be designed to be more secure and transparent than in-person. Blockchain can create tamper-proof records and paper audit trails for verification. Anything that can’t be verified can be excluded and investigated.
It’s ridiculous to dismiss electronic voting outright because the things you are worried about can already happen in traditional voting.
The problem with electronic is that by it’s nature it can’t do secrecy while preserving integrity.
That is just not possible, and if you can have your vote linked back to you in anyway after having cast it, then the system is bad.
And this is not getting into the whole black box problem, there is no way to verify that the system is actually running the code it should.
You are trusting a black box built by other people with their own political agendas, or who possibly has been influenced by other interests.
I am well aware of Estonia’s voting system, I would never trust it if I had use it.
There is just too much money and power combined with voter secrecy involved in the election process that it can’t be trusted to software.
And on the other hand… if I vote can’t be linked back to anyone, then you have a whole other problem. So maybe voting in general is able to be manipulated no matter what.
Black box voting are designed to to be transparent and they are open source so the public can scrutinize.
Why don’t you trust Estonias voting system? You didn’t give a reason. Look up VVPAT.
Yup, mail voting every time, with dropoff locations everywhere. There’s a paper trail, so recounts can be done if we suspect issues.
I’m not worrried about voting machine fraud, I just don’t see the point.
I’m worried about voting machine fraud when there is no paper trail, since that is how Kemp stole an election and got away with it.
From what I can tell, Kemp didn’t steal the election (btw, that’s a left-leaning news source according to this site). If anything, it encouraged more Democrats to get out and vote, not less.
I was thinking of the wrong election. When the state gets sued over votes and those votes just so happen to be erased, that is suspicious af. But that wasn’t 2018. Kemp wasn’t running in the election where GA wiped the hard disks, but he was in charge at the time.
The 2018 election where he was able to remove voters from the registry and close poll sites is just standard conflict-of-interest, I suppose.
Then why was the server wiped, and then the backup wiped?
came to say that mail in voting was the most secure method.
Isn’t this the doofus who wanted to send a submarine into a cave? Dude doesn’t have the intellectual heft necessary to manage a QuikTrip in Topeka.
But, take this drivel seriously. They like it when rural, red areas report their vote totals first, so that the news outlets will report that Republicans are “leading” early in the evening, before the blue cities finish their counting and overtake the early totals. It’s a cheap trick to sell the claim that the election was stolen to their followers, y’know, the people who think that chocolate milk comes from brown cows.
What do you mean? About the chocolate milk thing?
There was a survey a few years ago that found that some absurdly-large number of Americans think that chocolate milk is produced by brown cows. Like, over 10 million people. I hope it’s not true, but it’s become kind of a meme to convey that Americans are misinformed about a lot of things, and generally just really dumb.
wasn’t it a big tube? like an inflatable tube? this guy loves tubes
“Risk of being hacked by AI or human is still too great.”
But he trusts his life and everyone elses to the AI and computer code in his car that goes 0-60 in 2.5 seconds to not be hacked. Makes sense actually yea.
“Hacked by AI” fucking lol
“All my information about AI comes from watching Avengers films”
“All my information about AI comes from AI.”
I agree. While we’re at it, we can also make election day a holiday and require employers to give workers at least a paid half-day off so that they can vote, and create a citizenship ID that is free and easy to get rather than using ID with requirements like a driver’s license. Then maybe we can try out ranked choice voting and eliminate the electoral college. You know, since we want the election to be fair.
and create a citizenship ID that is free and easy to get rather than using ID with requirements like a driver’s license.
Just a heads up, these already are a thing, you still have to go to the DMV to get it since they’re the people who issue it, but they have IDs that are just “IDs” and then they have IDs that are also “drivers licenses.” The one that is just an ID like you’re talking about they just have to bring their birth cert, social security card, and proof of address like a bill or paystub or anything like that, then they fill out the info, take their pic, and voila, “Identification Card” without the driving priveleges.
People do it all the time, because without one you can’t buy smokes, vapes, booze, go to 18+ concerts, have a job in some cases, hell watch porn in some states lol, etc, anything age restricted really.
USSA is not car-centric country, it is car-ruled country.
Ok c/fuckcars, calm down. Just because you have to get the non-drivers-license-ID at a DMV because they combine the two when it is a drivers license is no reason to pop a blood vessel.
Frankly it makes more sense to me to also offer them at high schools, but it couldn’t only be that because homeschoolers/dropouts etc, so they’d still need to be somewhere else too.
i remember reading that even those are highly inaccessible to minorities, in areas with large minority populations the offices are farther away/have weird hours/other obstacles that make them harder to acquire
I mean, they all keep the same hours in my state and it seems like more of them are actually in the bad areas (where I happen to live myself, lol) rather than making the “rich neighborhoods look bad” with all the DMV offices. I can’t speak for the entire country, but you’d think my area would be one of the worst with it if it were actually about stopping “the blacks” from acquiring them (US, South.) Also every single minority I know (which is actually a fair number, my area is diverse af,) has an ID and/or driver’s license, so they definitely can get them.
Hell I know one dude, trans, half black, dad left as a kid because he was a crackhead, grew up poor with me, current heroin addict (hope he gets better before he dies like many of our other friends,) and he still has an ID. I think it may deadname him still, but he has one. I’ve actually never even met a single person over the age of 18 without one afaik, hell I know 4 homeless dudes and they have them. One lives in a tent and the other three just have sleeping bags under a bridge and they figured it out. I mean the address is a local shelter that lets them use the address specifically for this, but they do have one.
Tbh I think the whole “the blacks can’t get IDs” thing is not only overstated, but also kinda racist, like how saying “we have to take care of women because they can’t take care of themselves” is technically “nice” or whatever because they have good intentions but it’s actually misogynistic af.
https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_document/aclu_voter_id_fact_sheet_-_final_1.pdf
here we go I’m pretty sure this or a related summary is what I’d seen before, it wasn’t a recent read so i might be wrong but it sounds familiar
My state is similar to yours, dmv hours are same state wide and location wise they are not totally out of the way.
Same documents, birth cert, social card, 2 proofs of address.
Those requirements, while easy enough and even doable for the homeless, are harder for some than others, specifically the poor.
Those people who used shelter addresses didn’t have to pay (thats national, first time and renewals are free to homeless.) Someone who is poor but not homeless has to pay. Also poor people often leave their parents home without their social and birth cert. Or have no where to safely store them and lose or have them stolen. Also, social security cards are not assigned to you at birth. If mom or dad never filed for one for you, congrats you get to do it as a adult. This can create a whole catch 22 style loop of them getting fucked.
Anyways, I’m not explaining myself well, but yes requiring state ID (non drivers license) to vote is prohibitive to a lot of otherwise entitled voters.
I am “the poor.” Less so now, but still not “not,” lol.
As far as the documents go, yeah, you need some, and can likely get them if they’ve been lost. The alternative is me claiming to be Elon Musk, getting an ID in his name, whole ass stealing his identity to fund my life (which while that sounds funny to me is a crime lol.) Really without some proof of identity there’s no point to even have IDs at all.
State IDs are also required for another right, the right to bear arms. You can’t buy a gun in the US without an ID, and buying a gun being a right much like the right to vote, if it’s prohibitively hard to get an ID for one right so too must it be for all rights. Frankly you can kill more people with a vote, too.
Those aren’t free, though.
At least in California I had to pay 26 bucks for mine 10 years ago
Mine was $10. I agree they should be free but let’s be real here $10-$26 isn’t prohibitively expensive, my homeless friends would beg more than that in a few hours, even if you have to save a dollar a check that’s still doable for something that by all accounts you do need, and for more than just “voting.”
So you’re saying that you believe some people should have to resort to begging for money in order to vote? I mean, I know you said you think they should be free but the rest of the paragraph makes it seem like you feel people having to pay to vote is okay.
More like “we should be helping people get IDs” but cute you ignored the “i think they should be free” for good boy internet points.
Seriously you think “black people can’t get IDs” and instead of “we should help them get them” your first thought is to feel sorry for them and do nothing other than say “well we shouldn’t have them for voting?” What’s wrong with you? Again, they need IDs for more than just voting.
Frankly, if we did provide everyone with an ID like we should, what then would be your argument against it? Would it still be racist?
Me: “I know you said you think they should be free…”
You: “…you ignored the “i think they should be free”…”
Wait, what? You’ve already started out with false statements, but let’s continue:
You: “Seriously you think “black people can’t get IDs”…”
When did I ever say that? What I was referring to was poor people that might have to decide between eating or paying for an ID. I never said that the poor people were black. That racist stuff was conjured up in your head. I’m actually offended by your assumption.
You …"instead of “we should help them get them” your first thought is to feel sorry for them and do nothing other than say “well we shouldn’t have them for voting?”
Again you’re misunderstanding (or intentionally trolling) what I was actually saying. I was saying that your opinion that it’s okay to charge people money to be able to vote was the antithesis of democracy. Everyone should be able to vote regardless of their socioeconomic status.
You: Frankly, if we did provide everyone with an ID like we should, what then would be your argument against it?
Again, I think your reading comprehension is amiss because we’ve been in agreement that ID should be free to all.
You: Would it still be racist?
I would like to once again remind everyone that I never mentioned race once. I was referring to poor people that can’t afford an ID. Someone else made it racial.
Ignored, dismissed, use whatever word you like idgaf.
If you didn’t say it reread the thread, that’s what we’re talking about over here. Dudes are posting whole ass ACLU links that actually are pretty convincing, catch up junior.
Again you ignore or dismiss the “free” part. Are you intentionally doing that or is your memory about the quality of a goldfish’s?
OH so NOW we all agree it should be free but I want to charge money? Get your fucking story straight you pompous ass.
Again catch up. But fine “if we did provide IDs like we should, would it still be classist?”
Fucking christ lmao. You ok?
NATIONALIZE TACO / DEMOCRACY TUESDAY
everything is better with guacamole
You’ve achieved Canada.
We literally have none of those things.
Edit: except perhaps the citizenship certificate but I’ve never seen one before, but yeah they exist. We don’t have ranked voting, and elections aren’t holidays, although your employer must give you paid time off to vote, like 3 hours, and there are exceptions of course, like truckers for some reason don’t get the time off.
Even his good opinions need to overhype AI…
Anyway, we all saw that Tom Scott video, we know it’s a bad idea.
Brazil has used electronic voting since 1997 and has had no major issues since (there was a bad history of fraud in the paper ballot era). It runs on Linux and they hold a public safety test in the year before where they test the system’s security.
