Why do we ask for donations so often? Because it’s important! As KDE becomes more successful and an increasing number of people use our software, our costs grow as well: Web and server hostin…
  • Hadriscus@lemm.ee
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    11 个月前

    I have tried once, but passed out after like five minutes. The volume they were asking for was just too much

  • SavvyWolf@pawb.socialEnglish
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    11 个月前

    I mean, at least I’m not paying $200* for the privilege of being advertised to… I’d like an option to disable it permanently in the popup but it seems mostly reasonable?

    ^* This is the first price I got for a Windows licence when I searched for it. I know you can probably get them cheaper, but that’s the price they’re advertising, so eh.^

    • Skull giver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl
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      11 个月前

      Comparing prices between Windows computers and the Linux equivalent of the same model, the OEM license seems to come for free. The Linux versions even seem to be more expensive on average because fewer stores stock them.

      The independent Windows licenses come with support and warranty directly from Microsoft, something you don’t get when you buy Windows through an OEM like most people do.

      • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
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        11 个月前

        Why?

        People spend countless hours building the software you use for free. Now they need to buy actual hardware yo build and test that software and what? They have to pay with their own money besides all that time they spent already so that you can continue to use this for free?

        You’re not forced to pay anything, they’re asking for small donations

  • conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works
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    11 个月前

    It’s implemented as a KDE Daemon (KDED) module, which allows users and distributors to permanently disable it if they like.

    Eh. I guess good enough.

    But I’m still opposed on principle.

    • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
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      11 个月前

      Slippery slop but if they do this once on install with clear explanation. I wouldn’t care. Don’t badger me tho

  • dinckel@lemmy.world
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    11 个月前

    A lot of people here have such a bizarre stance.

    People have put work into this, for free. And the moment they ask for support, you immediately bring the pitchforks out, over a singular pop-up you can permanently disable? That’s just plain disrespectful, at the very least

    • nef@slrpnk.netEnglish
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      11 个月前

      I’m not against the idea, but I do think it’s a bit unfair. There are dozens of projects KDE relies on that never even get the chance to ask for donations this way, simply because they don’t need a GUI.

      I believe KDE should at least offer to share the donations with other projects, projects that would otherwise have no voice. Something like the old Humble Bundle donation method would work really well, and let users to choose how their money is allocated.

      • D_Air1@lemmy.ml
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        11 个月前

        While I understand where you are coming from. That goes for a lot of projects in general. Not to mention that KDE is literally an example of the thing you are talking about. KDE has an entire ecosystem of libraries that anyone can use called kde frameworks with many examples of these libraries being used on various projects large and small outside of KDE. They don’t see a dime from this either. I recall a conference on TechHut’s youtube channel spotting KDE’s frameworks in the wild being used by companies at the event.

        • ricdeh@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          10 个月前

          And KHTML! Basically, KDE work is the foundation of the browser engines behind Chromium and Safari.

    • TurboWafflz@lemmy.world
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      11 个月前

      The one change I would make would be adding a “never” button to the notification so you don’t have to disable it in the settings if you don’t want it

      Or actually “Don’t show again” would probably be better phrasing

      • Vincent@feddit.nl
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        11 个月前

        Then just not use it? You could even ask for a refund, I’m sure they’ll give it to you.

      • orsetto@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        11 个月前

        Not an ad. No one is trying to sell you anything.

        (If you get the notification) you’re already using their product.

        • conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works
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          11 个月前

          Yes, it is an ad. Any call to action is an ad.

          And its mere presence will ensure I don’t give them any more money. The core concept of inserting any ad in an OS is not behavior I am willing to reward.

          • Cris16228@lemmy.today
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            11 个月前

            So, asking you to VOLUNTARILY donate IF YOU WANT to with a pop-up you can simply ignore and/or disable is advertising? I don’t understand… I mean, they give you a product for free, full of good features and updated regularly, and the moment they ask you to donate, again, IF YOU WANT to, it’s considered advertising…

            You’re so sad, dude.

            • conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works
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              11 个月前

              Yes. It is literally impossible for an organization asking for money not to be an ad.

              And yes, showing me a single ad once means I never give them money again. I am not OK with ads.

              • Cris16228@lemmy.today
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                11 个月前

                Don’t use KDE then🤷‍♂️

                Those assholes! They should make an OS for free!!! How dare they ask for support?!?!

                No one forces you to support them, if it’s so annoying just disable it. I wonder if makes you happy work for someone for free… Hope it will happen to you so you’ll understand how bad it is :)

                Cya

              • Sips'@slrpnk.net
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                10 个月前

                That’s an interesting logic. You do realise that at least 50% of the groceries in your local store are likely to have been advertised somewhere. Guess you should stop buying groceries too…

          • orsetto@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            11 个月前

            Ads try to sell you something, there is no “call to action”. Here, there is nothing to sell, so by definition it’s not an ad.

            They are just asking you if you’d like to help them in providing you the product you’re already using.

            • conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works
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              11 个月前

              You pretty clearly don’t know what a call to action is, or an ad is, because “please give money” is very obviously a call to action, and many ads make no effort whatsoever to sell any product.

          • 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works
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            11 个月前

            This is not an OS behaviour. KDE is a desktop environment.

            If it bothers you so much, remove the DE and use the command line, full time

    • kbal@fedia.io
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      11 个月前

      From experience with Windows “freeware” some of us have seen what happens when such pop-up notices become commonplace. It is not pretty.

      • kbal@fedia.io
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        11 个月前

        So the reason it makes me uneasy is that at the same time as I do want KDE to succeed, I do not want this tactic of begging for money in annoying little on-screen pop-ups to succeed. If it does, then perhaps it might spread to other free software projects. If all of the hundreds of them that go into a linux distribution start feeling free to make their demands it will be a real mess. As some old philosopher said: To judge the morality of an action, consider what would happen if everyone did it.

        I remain an Xfce user. They also accept donations.

      • superkret@feddit.org
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        11 个月前

        If you don’t like it, don’t use it.
        Then you also don’t cause any more cost to the KDE project.

        • kbal@fedia.io
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          11 个月前

          The claim that more users increases costs for the KDE project in any meaningful way is another thing that might be disputed.

      • 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works
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        11 个月前

        This isnt freeware.

        “Free” in free software is free like free speech, not free as in beer.

        This is one of the places where english fails. Libre vs gratis

        • kbal@fedia.io
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          11 个月前

          Sorry, I was assuming everyone knew that. Should’ve said “nagware” instead.

    • Hemingways_Shotgun@lemmy.caEnglish
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      11 个月前

      Unfortunately, there has always been the issue that a not-insignificant percentage of users of FOSS software believe the FREE part means “free as in beer” and take umbrage when asked to contribute.

      I’ve long been a proponent (and I know I’m in a minority) that has advocated for a shift in the marketing of FOSS applications from “donation based” to “value based”. Meaning that the expectation is that if you enjoy the software, you pay an amount that you believe is commensurate to your use. This is voluntarily of course…if you can’t pay, than please use it and enjoy it. But those who can pay, should pay…at least a little bit, to offset the costs for those who can’t.

      It’s more or less that the wording of FOSS apps needs to change so that you are expected to contribute if you can.

      Just my opinion. Like I said, I know I’m in the minority. Just not a fan of the percentage of users that has always existed that (falsely) think that asking for money for your project is somehow anathema to the Open Source ideal and whine whenever they’re asked to contribute.

        • D_Air1@lemmy.ml
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          11 个月前

          While I absolutely agree with what you are trying to say and donate to kde myself already. The issue with a lot of comments like yours is that the examples you use are almost always commercial software that already only see’s limited use. I get value out of non commerical use applications such as dolphin, kate, konsole, and kdeconnect. Finding examples of popular paid versions of those applications would go a long way in my opinion because it would be something that more people can relate to.

          The problem I see with the examples you are giving are the same problems I see when someone uses those examples as reasons why they can’t switch to linux in the first place. And that is the fact that while those programs are popular. They aren’t used by the vast majority of people who don’t have a work related need to use them. Half the people that claim it as an excuse probably don’t actually use those programs as well.

          Your examples such as Cyberduc, Elmedia, and BBBedit are your stronger examples. Again just my opinion.

      • lud@lemm.ee
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        11 个月前

        Also what the hell is up with everyone saying “free as beer”?

        Beer isn’t free!

        • Hemingways_Shotgun@lemmy.caEnglish
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          11 个月前

          The full saying is “Free as in Speech, not Free as in Beer”

          Basically the “Free” in free means that it’s free to do with as you please, modify, etc… But not free as in “here’s a free product…like getting a free beer”

          • ricdeh@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            10 个月前

            That’s also confusing and it is not the full saying. The full saying is “free as in free speech, not free beer”.

            From the FSF website:

            Free software is a matter of liberty, not price. Think of “free” as in “free speech”, not as in “free beer”. Free software is a matter of the users’ freedom to run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve the software.

  • Mactan@lemmy.ml
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    11 个月前

    cool and good. thunderbird is also very good about this and more projects should present their donation stuff just as tastefully

  • Skull giver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl
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    11 个月前

    The OEMs also pay for the license for video playback patents and for UEFI firmware to be developed. Windows is just part of the formula for the vast majority of Windows compatibles.

    • communism@lemmy.ml
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      11 个月前

      Thunderbird shows it for a at every startup

      Honestly didn’t realise till you pointed that out. I’m so used to seeing it that it doesn’t register to me what it’s saying anymore. Probably for the best that KDE only does it once a year; if it were daily I’m sure it wouldn’t even register to people that it’s asking for donations.

  • hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz
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    11 个月前

    I didn’t get that notification yet,but when I do,l’ll be sure as shit to donate as large amount as I can afford.

    Edit: I know I can and have donated already,but just to highlight the idea

  • k_rol@lemmy.ca
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    11 个月前

    I personally think once a year is not enough. Every 6 months might be better. Also people already spend a lot during December that they might not prioritize donating to KDE.

    For those complaining… Well I don’t know what to say to them. Such a big complex software which is 100% free should be allowed to remind us that they need money.

    Don’t forget they said it’s running as a daemon specifically so you can easily disable it if it triggers you so much.

    • kbal@fedia.io
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      11 个月前

      it’s running as a daemon specifically so you can easily disable it

      It occurs to me that even if I were a KDE user, I probably wouldn’t see it. I’m not a DE developer, so I’d be getting the packages through Debian, and the people who package things for Debian tend to remove such prominent features that for the users are all cost and no benefit.

      I suspect that none of the people who are “complaining” are doing so because it’s some kind of personal inconvenience that they’d find intolerable. The only thing it does to make my day worse is to slightly cheapen the reputation of the KDE project, and by extension — since it is such a popular and highly visible project — that of free software in general.

  • kbal@fedia.io
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    11 个月前

    Wow. Just when their excellent marketing tactics over the past few months had almost persuaded me that I might give KDE another try some day.

    • derbolle@lemmy.world
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      11 个月前

      well thats unfortunate. Personally I’d rather click away one message per year while knowing I donate 40 euros every quarter than having the project die or degrade in the long run.

      I think if you complain, you should contribute(either through effort or donation) to make such pop ups unnesseccary.

      KDE Plasma albeit a bit bloated in default state is freaking amazing and getting better with every update.

      Enjoy whatever DE you Like and complain as you like but just complaining is not going to fix Problems

      • kbal@fedia.io
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        11 个月前

        I’ve contributed to various projects when I had money, but this would probably make me less likely to do so if I were a user. It’s unquestionably true that some people “hate pop-ups and this is going to turn them off” and I am among them.