Oh look Europe is fascist, I’m so surprised. /s
Signed, an unsurprised Indigenous person.
Get your fucking shit together guys, Jesus Christ.
As a European myself, idk why people are downvoting you
This is what neoliberalism ignoring the needs of anyone who isn’t a billionaire for couple of decades gets you.
Well, that and the political left selling out.
Where is Volt?
Edit: green
Are you sure? I thought they were part of renew
They fucking switched after I checked! I’m not joking!
phew, green dosen’t seem to be losing the most
In percentage yes they are
Not very surprising result imo
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Among the nonaligned is the German far right party that got kicked out of id for being too extreme.
What portion of the nonaligned would that be?
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Fidesz is nonaligned as well, judging by the polls it’ll be about 9 or 10 seats for them.
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They said SS members were not universally evil. Front national was unimpressed.
Why are nonaligned shown to the right instead of in the middle?
Most likely because they’re at the bottom of the list and the seat color follows the same order
Not really? Then the left would also be on the right
Derp… maybe I should have taken another look at the picture before commenting. I think my brain just picked out yellow near the top of the list and yellow a few colors from the left and went “sure that’s the same order”
Unfortunately they’re not the non aligned of HoI4
Disgusting.
Nice to see leftists breakdown.
because?
because I feel like second class citizen in my own country. Europe for Europeans. Migrants go home.
What makes one a European?
And why should Europe be only for Europeans?
What makes one a European?
I think we can be either more or less European; perhaps I should say that there may be more or fewer reasons for being recognized as such by others.
- Jus sanguinis (right of blood)
- Jus soli (right of soil)
- Christian culture (I consider myself a cultural christian, although I am an atheist)
And why should Europe be only for Europeans?
I don’t oppose legal immigration on a small scale. However, currently there are too many immigrants “refugees” . We need to say stop. Stop illegal immigration, stop Islam, stop criminals. And what are we currently doing? We are legalising illegal immigrants; What the heck?
I’m an American, can somebody explain what this means? It looks less dysfunctional, but I’m guessing it’s just differently dysfunctional.
The 8 groups of colors you see on the graph are actually dozens and dozens of parties who group themselves into more compact coalitions depending on their broad ideology. This is actually no issue to get shit done and pass plenty of legislation.
What we actually don’t like is that the far right groups (Conservatives and Reformists, and Identity and Democracy, and a third secret option) are growing even a little bit more, which increases the possibility of them actually passing the laws they want.
It’s far from perfect, but the European parliament is vastly more functional than the American Congress, just based on the amount of legislation that is crafted, compromised on, and passed. These laws, which have to be adopted by all the countries in the EU, are the most prosocial and environmental in the world.
With these elections increasing the size of conservative coalitions, there will be more of a push against things like green regulations, immigration quotas, and support for Ukraine.
More conservatives are being elected because right-wing nationalist/populist parties across Europe are fanning the flames of anti-immigrant hate, the burden of inflation, and EU regulations that might squeeze the ability of farmers (or other laborers) to make a profit, in order to sell their Make (insert country name here) Great Again rhetoric and whatever religious/corporate/fascist power dynamics that rhetoric conceals.
62 projected seats for nazis… great job citizens, great job -.-
Afd result is mind boggling
around 16.5% yeah, that is not just mind boggling but also fecking disheartening.
I blame it on the greens for not fielding Habeck as chancellor candidate. I’m probably going to be salty about that one for the next 40 years.
rise of the far right all over Europe I blame the greens of Germany for it
Nah, mate, this is about the structure of media ownership. I won’t be one to defend the greens of Germany, they’re disgusting, but the real problem is that private media have interest in the right winning the elections, and there’s also a ton of money spent boosting far right influencers in social media
Sadly you can blame it on FDP for blocking every single positive thing this government might have done.
We could’ve had a Green-Red or at least Red-Green government is what I mean.
…but, no, the Greens said “there’s no female chancellor candidate, there must be one, therefore we will field a politician who’s at least two magnitudes less electable” – and that after no less than 16 years of Merkel. As if anything had to be proven on that front. As if self-congratulatory symbol politics would ever have gotten us anywhere.
Greens and SPD never had a majority in any poll at the time and they weren’t even close to it. Greens might have been stronger but probably SPD weaker in turn. We might have ended up with Jamaika in the end. Don’t forget that a conservative anti-Habeck campaign would’ve also been possible. He had some unpopular positions back then, too, like giving weapons to Ukraine. What kind of insane warmonger amirite?
What kind of insane warmonger amirite?
That’s some Fundie shit. Seriously, noone but Fundies consider Realos to be war-mongers. They’re also the only ones considering “Olivgrün” an insult. It’s like vegans acting surprised when noone cares about their moraline-sour opinion of vegetarians.
Conservatives wouldn’t have been able to touch Habeck, either, the man can quarrel with SH farmers calling him a clueless city boy and come out on top with everyone respecting him. Remember his Israel speech? Where one was left wondering “that was damn good, why isn’t the chancellor doing that”? “why isn’t the foreign minister doing that”? The answer is simple: Because neither of them are able to. They had to ignore their actual functions in government to get the message out.
I don’t disagree that Habeck would have been the better candidate, I just don’t believe he would have changed the outcome by that much.
In the end I think much of the difference between polls and election came from people saying they want climate protection, but in the end the yearly flight to Mallorca was more important.
people saying they want climate protection, but in the end the yearly flight to Mallorca was more important.
Nope that’s cope. Classical green cope pattern, btw: “The people have a good heart but the devil of carbon is whispering in their ear”.
Firstoff: No, people are aware that there might be some quality of life changes involved in climate change. The question they’re asking is not “whether” but “do they make sense”. “Do they lead somewhere”.
Secondly: Sleeper trains and ferries exist. In principle you can fall asleep in Spandau and wake up in Palma.
Thirdly, because it’s been so much fun: Who the fuck thought mandating houses to get individual heat pump installations was a good idea – I mean I get it, members of the green party are usually well off, they bought one of those and thought it would be a great idea for everyone. Thing is: Ask scientists, they’re saying district heating is the much better solution. When it comes to resource usage, overall cost, and definitely cost for the home owners.
But the Green party would never field a candidate to win, or a policy to be popular, or that failing, to be actually efficient because y’all are too busy driving your Cayenne to the farmer’s market. And I mean what I say there: The Greens are considered hypocrites, caring about a gazillion things but nature and people’s relationship with it.
Classical green cope pattern, btw: “The people have a good heart but the devil of carbon is whispering in their ear”.
You’re misrepresenting me, I never said anybody had a good heart. People are hypocrites. In theory they are all for the greater good as long as their own personal cost is zero.
Secondly: Sleeper trains and ferries exist. In principle you can fall asleep in Spandau and wake up in Alma.
And how is that relevant to what I said? What point are you trying to make here? You can also bike to work, many people still prefer to drive.
Who the fuck thought mandating houses to get individual heat pump installations was a good idea
First, nobody ever planned to mandate that. It’s a lie made up by Bild and the FDP. From the very beginning the only thing the heating law was going to mandate was that your heating had to run on 60% (I believe, don’t cite me on the exact number) CO2 neutral energy. Heat pumps are just automatically assumed to fulfill this condition, regardless of the current energy mix in Germany. But it was always going to be up to you how you fulfilled this condition.
Second, it IS a good idea. You can instantly lose one entire set of pipes going into your home and you instantly more than halve your carbon emissions even with the current energy mix. Yes it works, yes it also works in a cold winter, and no you don’t have to instantly insulate your entire home, renew your roof and all your internal piping. At least not if you don’t live in a farm house from the 1930s that never had any work done.
Third:
Thing is: Ask scientists, they’re saying district heating is the much better solution.
Which is an option and would have been an option under the original law.
Also, what actual scientist says that, as an absolute, no “ifs”, no conditions?
Because the thing is, if your district heating runs on fossils, which most do, it does jack shit to combat carbon emissions and helps exactly zero.
Also, getting hooked up to district heating isn’t free either.
It also doesn’t help if your city maybe sorta plans to start planning district heating to be eventually implemented some time in the 2090s, but only if we have enough money and the next 20 governments don’t change the plan along the way. Emissions need to be reduced now, not some day in the future if we feel like it. Decentralized solutions are faster and can be implemented by individuals without waiting for political decisions that could happen in 10 years or never.
This is an excuse to not have to act, nothing more.
That might have been a strategic mistake idk, but it’s not as bad as the cxu and many more parties straight up copying nazi talking points and steering the discussion towards the afd and against the GrEeNs °o°
The newspapers are also to blame.
Not sure if we should call them Nazi, as they kicked out the German Nazis, as explained in other comments. Maybe call them nationalists or ultra nationalists?
They kicked out the German Nazis because they celebrated the SS, which is a no-go for French Nazis. Doesn’t make them less Nazi, just the French kind that doesn’t like to be killed by German Nazis
But what is a Nazi? I thought someone who praises or follows the idea and ideology of Hitler Germany. So if someone says „ah this sounds too much like hitler or what is closest followers would say, therefore I dislike it“ can you then really call them a nazi? If someone think „this is to German“ can you be a nazi? After all Nazis where also German ultra nationalists, who think people who are not German are of less worthy. So since other nationalistic parties follow this ideology, but just replace Germany by their own country, I think Ultra nationalists is better fitting. You would also not say Japanese Nazis or Thailand Nazis. Or if you would say Argentinia Nazis, people who know should understand something very different.
It’s only Nationalsozialismus if it’s from the Nationalsozialismusregion, otherwise it’s just sparkling fascism
Ah never thought about this origin. So Nazi means basically someone who supports Socialistic Nationalism, no matter for which country? ! Did not think about this but it makes sense.
Yeah, it’s short for National Socialism which was just a rebranding of Fascism in Germany to get Workers on board. So I guess Fascism is the better term to use in any case but seriously, it’s just different flavours of the same shit so I think it’s a mood point to differentiate. They all support the same ideology and policies
Don’t forget ECR :(
ECR is shit, they’re a bunch of eurosceptic, anti-immigration, libertarian conservative nationalists, but they don’t hold a candle to ID, who are that, but on steroids.
Libertarian nationalist? Isn’t that mutually exclusive?
Oh yeah, but not if you’re only libertarian against laws that tell you not to exploit people or destroy the planet.
I’m voting as hard as I can, okay 🥵
I wish you could just vote harder
Well, you can vote harder. The polls are not the only place you vote. Every purchase is a vote. Most people neglect their consumer power. I’m boycotting hundreds (if not thousands) of harmful companies and products, including Amazon. You can always vote harder by investigating the shops and brands you support. You can investigate whether your bank invests in the fossil fuel energy and change banks (or better, become unbanked). You can follow the [email protected] community.
E.g. certainly one small thing @[email protected] can do is ditch sh.itjust.works for a different instance. Website weight has quadrupled since Cloudflare took hold because CF encourages web admins to create heavy websites. sh.itjust.works is CF-based.
My god… “Consumer power” is a myth, there’s no evidence of it working for anything significant. “consumer power” will NOT help preventing the rise of the extreme right wing in Europe. Organize your workplace, create tight communities in your local area, strike and protest, create safety networks… Those are the things that are actually proven to work.
My god… “Consumer power” is a myth, there’s no evidence of it working for anything significant.
I guess you are not following Gaza. McDonalds in Israel decided to give free meals to Israeli soldiers. McDonalds customers who boycott Israel impacted McDonalds’ bottom line. And it’s a franchise. The McDonalds shops in Israel had different ownership than McDonalds outside Israel (where the boycott was impacting). So in response McDonalds HQ directly bought out all Israeli branches in order to stop the support to Israeli troops, just to protect their brand.
Lidl and Aldi both started taking a hit in Europe because their produce from Israel was being boycotted. Aldi got caught removing the origin label from their produce when Israel was the origin. Lidl got caught falsifying the label by displaying a different region. If the boycott was insignificant, there would be insufficient motivation for a grocery chain to commit fraud against their customers. So I boycott the whole Lidl chain and Aldi North, not just Israeli products.
Organize your workplace
Or boycott without organising, as this person did:
https://slrpnk.net/post/4687232
Here’s what does not work: not boycotting.
Boycotts only lack effect when in fact they are not executed. IOW, the apathy you advocate weakens the strength of boycotts. The shitty attitude that boycotts don’t work is the sole factor that disempowers boycotts from working.
Wow man, Aldi changed a label, we’re almost there!
There are even more, included in Nonaligned. The German Nazis (afd 16 seats) were kicked out of ID
SIXTEEN!?
sorry, I gotta vomit.
Second strongest party in germany as a whole and strongest in east germany. Ahead of all member parties of our current government.
I just had the sudden urge to downvote your comment just because I hate what you said so much.
Thing is, they would’ve probably gained even more votes if they didn’t incur so many scandals recently. People will probably forget about those until the next national elections
I think they mainly lost votes because of BSW. Putin dick-riders can now choose, their scandals usually don’t matter to their voters
and on the other hand, Mannheim and Sylt kinda helped them.
Not sure about Sylt, but Mannheim was devinetively in their favour.
Thanks
ObamaMerz and Springer. Their constant Ampel bashing really fucked everything up.Who are these people?
Merz is the faction leader of Germans Conservative and Christian party CDU.
Springer is a magazine publisher known mostly for the newspaper Bild.
Ampel is the name of the current German government coalition: SPD (red), FDP (yellow) and Bündnis 90/Die Grünen (Green)
I see, thanks! “Conservative & Christian” sounds like a red flag.
The Ampel may have gained control over the government at the worst possible time. Everything is currently shit and people always blame the government, even though some of that is not under their control, which currently places blame on the only three important center-left parties. Thus people turn right.
And the CDU blames them for everything they fucked up the past 20 years.
It’s a tale as old as time. Conservatives fuck up so many things that they can’t be fixed in the one term other parties occasionally get. And when those then fail to fix everything, people go “see? They’re not better. Might as well vote conservative again.”
unfunny thing though is, that most of the shit we have to deal with right now comes from the time CDU/CSU was in charge.
I… I’m so fricking done.
Even worse; the Greens get blamed for shit the FDP does, because people don’t know how coalitions work.
And ID got 30 seats in France. Macron is having a new election on the 30th and well
Can anybody explain his thinking? Why would you hand the fascists the wheel?
He’d be handing over only the parliament, just in time for them to mess up the country enough for the next presidential election.
That sounds an awful lot like what Hindenburg / von Papen thought they could do.
I am ashamed of my fellow citizens for making this happened. 35 seats, they get 35, RN + La France Fière (Zemmour).
Not to mention they were kicked out of the Nazi group, because THEY WERE TOO EXTREME FOR THEM. Wake me up in 5 years when we can hopefully stop this…
kicked out of the Nazi group, because THEY WERE TOO EXTREME FOR THEM
I was going to joke suggesting that, but you already had my joke crushed by reality being exactly that 😢
On paper they were more extreme, the right loves to be seen as not that far right when in fact they are
I bet they say the same thing about you.
either you didn’t picked up my sarcasm or…?
I’m terribly bad at picking up sarcasm.
I’m also sorry for not marking it as such.
Actions, meet consequences.
Can someone knowledgeable here explain this projection in relation to green policies and carbon goals?
I assume they are now (even) less likely to be in form of mandates and we are moving towards ‘capitalism (with a lil stimulus push here and there) will solve the problem it created’?
Tho maybe nuclear energy could also get a little bit more (re)renewed traction?Also, the whole internet surveillance isn’t going away now, is it?
Anything blue or on the right of blue will vote against green policies. That’s your threshold I guess. Same for surveillance (blue ->pro).
*everything yellow an right of yellow
another 5 years lost in the time critical task to slow climate change, i could cry …
That’s not correct. As far as I know, VOLT for example is part of the reformers “yellow”, and they will vote for climate stuff.
No, Volt are part of the green/EFA
then the line goes somwhere inside yellow because fdp is also part of yellow afaik and they are lobbying for porsche
The parties consistently voting in favor of green policies were Greens, Left and Socialdemocrats, with Liberals and independents varying wildly. Some decarbonization goals are still in place, but the new equilibrium may vote to revoke some of them and the actual laws to enforce them for good will likely not be passed.
With the German Pirate Party loosing its seat a strong voice against surveilance is lost.
They also supplied NGOs with information directly from the legislative process, allowing them to act faster (and sometimes you have to be very fast to comment on minor changes with great effect) I hope somebody else at least partly takes on this role.
Too bad, yeah. But Patrick became a father and wants to continue his job as a judge at home. His work will be missed.
The EU past a lot of actually good policy in the last term. Namely ban of fossil fuel cars 2035, limiting certificates for the EUs carbon market, new carbon market for transport and housing and a bunch of other laws, which actually have some positive impact. For the most part the EU parliament was not only in favour, but activly pushing for it being one of the most pro enviromental policy parliaments in the world. That is probably going to stop and they likely try to kill some of the laws passed. So the key in the future will be defence for most enviromental groups. The laws which have been passed will lower emissions, but not fast enough.
As for nuclear the EU is so far this year at 73.2% clean electricity. The large countries with a lot of fossil fuels are Poland, Italy and Germany. Of those only Poland is activly pushing for nuclear. The EU parliament is not able to force the other two to do that.
Here is a clip of a talk show where Robert Habeck of the green party explains why nuclear is not ecological:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8xznqbpv0QE
I think it is clear for most people that nuclear is not sustainable and only a short term solution. Now is actually a great opportunity to push for renewable energies also because it is important to get a foot into the market before China takes it all.
I don’t think they really care if it’s eco or not. It’s a 20-30 year boondoggle during which time they can carry on burning fossil fuels while vetoing anything green under the pretence of “but the nuclear is already on the way”.
And by the time the nuclear is built, it won’t be enough (because of all the electric cars), so they’ll carry on with the coal and gas anyway.
Short term and nuclear do not belong in the same sentence. It takes a decade to build a single plant.
Also, the whole internet surveillance isn’t going away now, is it?
Here are the results of last chat control voting, for example:
Tho maybe nuclear energy could also get a little bit more (re)renewed traction?
Don’t hold your fingers closed, the oil lobby is behind the right, not the left.
The growth of the far right isn’t that terrible on a vacuum, since it’s just a small growth anyway. The real bad news is this:
This is, traditional conservative parties starting to talk about cooperation with the far right, rather than with centrists. If you thought far right euroskeptics were cringe, just you wait to see the far right that wants to remodel the EU to their taste - and are capable of passing reforms.
Wow, who woulda thunk that the right would ally with the far right in policy :0
