For context, I’m circumcised and expecting a son and my wife and I are torn about the circ. We’re American so from a cultural standpoint circumcision is the default choice. Thing is, there’s no real benefit besides practicing a religion we don’t believe in, and I’m uncomfortable about cutting the tip of my son’s dick off.
On the other side, I’ve met a guy who was bullied in high school so bad for it he got a circ as an adult. Apparently crazy painful recovery. I’ve also talked to women who are generally grossed out by uncircumcised men. I don’t want to make him feel like something’s wrong with him his whole life because I was uncomfortable with the idea.
From a moral standpoint I’m against it, but from a social and cultural standpoint I feel like I should do it? It’s a crappy situation. If there’s any uncircumcised American men who want to talk about their penis I’m all ears.
Edit: I really appreciate everyone’s responses I never expected to hear from so many people. With the decision hinging on social and cultural norms it’s been really helpful to be able to take the temperature like this. I obviously need to talk to my wife, but given the overwhelming support of dick hats I don’t thing we’re going to do it. Thanks, lemmings!
This will be of no help to you OP, but: damn, this all seems so bizarre read from France.
How likely is it that your kid’s going to be bullied, though? I looked at some state-by-state data (warning: it’s not that recent, and I haven’t checked its accuracy), and it seems to vary a lot depending on where you live. Also, even in West Virginia, where circumcision seems to be the most common, almost one male in ten seems to be left intact. Obviously, I don’t know what I’m talking about, but even if your child ends up being in the minority, he might not seem that strange to his classmates and friends.
Penis owners is a good band name
Don’t. It’s a form of sexual assault that’s somehow legal.
Dude I have a foreskin and it’s fucking rad. I can pinch it closed when I pee and it’ll fill up like a balloon. How could you deny your son that?
Can’t argue with that
Lmao love all this genuine life advice and you say nothing, one dude shows up and is like "I get to play with my dick like this and you’re 100% in hell yeah territory.
Rad.
It’s more relatable than some moral position hah
I feel seen
Can confirm
Frankly, it’s a bloody weird thing to do unless medically required. Leave him be.
it is his body, nobody else’s i dont understand this. the human penis is not a flawed organ needing intervention and aesthetic is not a good enough reason. barring medical, what the fuck lol.
I’m uncut and went through my childhood and teenage years in the US. No one cared in preschool, and no one cared in the Highschool locker room, none of the women I slept with cared. It might be painful as an adult to do, but it’s a choice the person gets to make for themselves. I am grateful my parents stopped the doctors from cutting.
It’s painful regardless, the baby just can’t complain about it. I’m not circumcised nor are my kids, with the first kid, the nurse let out an unintentional “good” after we said no to it.
It’s a tough one because it’s way better to have it done as a child than an adult, way less pain and women prefer it
I’m super happy mine was done as a baby but I’ve not seen any like, mass movement of guys getting it done wishing they had it done when they were kid, would need a proper survey for that, if you could go back in time and get it done as a baby would you?
Women prefer it if that’s all they know/if their uncircumcised partners aren’t very hygienic. I’m an American woman and grew up thinking uncircumcised penises were gross, but they feel better inside me and it’s way more fun to give a clean, uncircumcised penis a blowjob. It’s more obvious and unpleasant when an uncircumcised penis is dirty though.
I was recently a bridesmaid for one of my friends from high school, and we talked about circumcision- all the friends I had growing up who were also grossed out by uncut penises who have actually had sex with a person with one agreed that they prefer them. It’s not something I would hold against a partner or anything (and my husband had phimosis, so he got a partial circumcision in his teens), but penises are naturally well formed for the purpose of enjoyable sex.
true but it’s pretty clear cut 😁 women overall prefer cut vs non cut
Database searches identified 29 publications with original data for inclusion, including 22 for aim (i) and 4 of these and 7 others pertaining to aim (ii). In the overwhelming majority of studies, women expressed a preference for the circumcised penis. The main reasons given for this preference were better appearance, better hygiene, reduced risk of infection, and enhanced sexual activity, including vaginal intercourse, manual stimulation, and fellatio. In studies that assessed mothers’ preference for MC of sons, health, disease prevention, and hygiene were cited as major reasons for this preference. Cultural differences in preference were evident among some of the studies examined. Nevertheless, a preference for a circumcised penis was seen in most populations regardless of the frequency of MC in the study setting.
Not all women prefer it! I think that may be a kind of childish thing women say because they don’t know any better! Any time I’ve ever heard a woman say that and asked, they’d never been with an uncircumcised man, so they didn’t really know and were talking out of their ass.
Having been with both types of penis: I don’t care at all, and if I have a son he will not be circumcised.
No. I like it this way just fine.
Male circumcision is genital mutilation.
If it’s your culture, your culture is dumb.
Except it has more upsides than downsides. In fact, except for extreme outliers there are no downsides. Not once in my life had I ever thought “I wish my parents would have not circumcised me as a baby”. From a US perspective, I think it looks better, most women think it looks better, and it saved me from cost, pain, and awkward teen years of waiting until adulthood to make the decision.
OP, you said it yourself, really. You aren’t unhappy to be circumcised. You know at least one guy in real life who hated not being circumcised. Do you know anyone in real life; not the internet where people with negative outlooks on an issue tend to be the most outspoken, and not from all the other countries with different cultures and norms, but that you actually know that was mad about being circumcised? I work in a field that’s very… Not shy about bringing up things like this. I’ve never met a guy who wished he wasn’t circumcised.
Nanook can go ahead and call it mutilation, trying to lump it in with a dangerous and sexual pleasure ruining practice done to women in a handful of places, but I’ll hard disagree. Mutilation is “a severe and disfiguring injury.” I don’t see circumcised as any of that, and neither do most people where OP or myself are from.
There is like, no upside its literally you making up reasons to justify your condition lol.
You’re doing the same thing, but hey, we can both start throwing links at each other to back up our points, if you’d like.
But you know what, lets just say for the sake of argument neither dick has any medical or hygiene or STI risk differences (because there’s loads of evidence showing uncircumcised people are at a greater risk of getting those)
I think it looks better, and most people in my country think it looks better. Personal preference? Sure. But personally, we got better looking dicks. The other medical benefits are just a bonus.
The infection risk only becomes an issue when you’re old. I’m getting circumcised at 70, I’m keeping my dick whole until then. Your dick looks ugly, sorry not sorry.
Also, I’m happy you like your dick, I’m sure you’d also like it if your parents didn’t remove a piece.
I don’t know who told you it was only a risk when you’re old, but that isn’t true at all.
Something tells me this guy could talk about dicks all night slong.
Something tells me this guy could talk about dicks all night slong.
All night schlong XD
You’re not going to bring up the sensitivity arguments? Foreskin is a natural part of the body, the fact that it’s the norm is meaningless. If we were chopping off the tips of ears or male nipples would there be “no downsides” either? Why not just NOT do the thing? You can’t undo a circumcision.
Sensitivity arguments? Go check Google search trends and tell me if the searches for guys trying to last longer is larger than the searches for lasting too long.
Sure buddy, go play with your half dick
Smegma
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Imagine arguing “I’m a child who can’t clean his own body” in public to justify mutilating children so their genitals are prettier
There are a number of men who are upset about it, they’ve formed advocacy groups and some use therapies and procedures to regrow foreskin.
https://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/
For some balance, this isn’t very informative, but it does fairly frame the debate:
I mean, there’s groups for everything. If just 1% of men in the US were unhappy about having been circumcised, while the other 99% were happy or indifferent about it, that’s still over a million people unhappy. It’s still a super minority of people.
If any other elective medical procedure had a 1% chance of extreme regret, it would be considered psychologically risky, in addition to the chance of complications.
Do we know the actual numbers for how men feel about the procedure? I think that’s important if we’re debating this on the merits of joy/regret.
I couldn’t find any good sources that surveyed adult men on their parents’ circumcision choice.
No.
You are wrong.
There are literally 0 upsides.
There are 0 medically valid reasons to fully or partially circumsize a penis that is not suffering from some kind of rather rare, actual congenital malformation.
The only things you list as upsides are aesthetic, fashion choices, they’re only ‘popular’ where you are … because they are common where you are.
It literally is a disfiguring injury.
It signifcantly changes how the thing looks, and works. Thats disfigurement.
No, it is not as severe as female clitoral removal.
But, the foreskin has a ton of nerve density in it, comparable to how many nerves your head/glans has in it, as opposed to the significantly lower nerve density on a cut shaft.
A circumcised XY male person literally is not physically capable of experiencing the same level and variation of sensation, of sexual pleasure, as an uncircumcised person.
It also removes the ability of the penis to ‘glide’ along the foreskin when inserted, which means it changes how it functions.
Automatic male circumcision at birth is literally a brutal, nonconsensual method of reducing the pleasure an XY man can experience from sex.
Thats what it is.
Thats a cultural norm in the US, mainly, and not so much anywhere else.
For the record:
Circumsized guy here, done at birth, then, I learned things.
The US is a brutal and delusion place by the standards of basically everywhere else.
We are the weird ones, we are the brainwashed ones.
We just happen to also make the most porn, and we invented the internet, so our cultural norms have had an outsized importance and level of influence.
Outside of the US, male circumcision is generally only done by fairly extreme religious groups, and for very rare but actually medically necesssary and valid reasons, like some kind of actual congenital abnormality/malformation of the penis that is present at birth.
You say their are literally 0 upsides, but then you name a couple of upsides. Lol.
Also, if you want to be a dick about it, there have been several scientific studies done showing that HIV and most other STI’s are significantly less at risk of contraction if you’ve been circumcised.
You realise people can scroll up and read what he said?
Outside very rare medical conditions, circumcision has zero medical benefit.
Several studies have proven circumcisions significantly reduce the risk of getting an STI, including HIV, during sex.
You can’t be bullied if everyone is uncut. And as you say it’s cultural, it makes absolutely no sense for me and I don’t understand parents who voluntarily butcher the genitals of their children. I can’t believe it still exists.
It still exists because people with circumcisions see it as an improvement. It’s better.
You may like it better, and it should be your choice to have it. It should be an elective procedure for the individual to make, that’s all I believe they are saying.
I’m glad I didn’t have to go through 18 years before paying to have it done and being in pain from the surgery.
Okay, but your experience isn’t universal. Some people may and some people may not have preferred to have it done as a baby when viewed in hindsight, but it doesn’t change that their individual choice was removed.
It isn’t universal, but in my country it’s the majority.
Because it was thought that it would prevent the moral danger of masturbation by the guy who made Kellogg cereals a thing.
That’s it.
Sole reason.
Good job simping for the dude that thought it you never pooped and only had colonics you’d live forever.
Who cares how it started? It looks better, women generally like it more, and it makes you less likely to get an STI.
I had a “friend” in highschool try to make me feel bad about being uncut. Saying the typical pseudoscience of “you’re dirty” “girls don’t like it”, it was that day that I decided this guy was stupid beyond repair.
Don’t mutilate your child. Just remember to teach them to retract the foreskin and wash under it, by the time they are 10, it should be unfused from the glans.
Also for people without foreskin who are having a chld, do not retract it back on your child. It’s not ready to pull back for many many years and you will most likely rip their skin.
I dont remember having to do anything special. Its just separated, there is plenty of it lol.
It’s mainly about teaching hygiene.
I’m an intact American man.I have never wished I was circumcised.
I haven’t ever been bullied for it. If I was, I think I’d first accusing the bully of being homosexual for taking an interest as loud as I could. Start calling him Gaylord Cockstarer in mixed company. Find out what hobbies his dad has, start doing that hobby, befriend his dad, tell him this story, see if you can get his dad to start calling him Gaylord Cockstarer.
Women who are grossed out…I’ve had a few hesitate to give me oral, but were willing to try. One, in her own words, wanted to wait until next time so she could “look up how to handle one of these.” And she did, too. To the women who would be disgusted at my intact anatomy, I have one question: What part of your body am I allowed to demand you slice off? Kind of a monstrous thing to think about someone, isn’t it? Why haven’t you cut that part of your body off? If that’s what she thinks of men, she can never deserve any dick.
Do you approve of genetic mutilation* for cultural reasons?
I think your answer lies there.
*)
Circumcision was associated with frequent orgasm difficulties in Danish men and with a range of frequent sexual difficulties in women, notably orgasm difficulties, dyspareunia and a sense of incomplete sexual needs fulfilment.
Now do a breakdown between at birth by medical professionals vs rabbis or similar unqualified individuals who then suck the blood out of the baby’s penis with their mouth
Dude what
What’s what Jews do, the Rabbi performs the circumcision and then sucks the baby’s bleeding penis
That can’t be real
Definitely is. Some practice it and some don’t, but it’s traditionally part of it.
The traditional method of performing metzitzah b’peh (Hebrew: מְצִיצָה בְּפֶה, abbreviated as MBP[73])—or oral suction[74][75]—has become controversial. The process has the mohel place his mouth directly on the infant’s genital wound to suck blood away from the cut. Many circumcision ceremonies no longer use metzitzah b’peh,[76] but Haredi Jews continue to perform it.[71][72][64] The practice poses a serious risk of spreading herpes to the infant.[77][78][79][80] Proponents maintain that there is no conclusive evidence that links herpes to Metzitza,[81] and that attempts to limit this practice infringe on religious freedom.[82][83][84]
Bro that shit should be illegal what in the fuck
Why?
Complications, as tracked by the study, are obviously going to be far higher when performed by unqualified religious leaders that literally suck on the wound
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