If anyone wants a specific goal, have it be either

  • Earn a Nobel Prize by age 18

or

  • Become a billionaire by age 18

For the sake of the scenario, assume the following:

  • If anyone learns that you are mentally from the future, you immediately have an aneurysm and die. You somehow just know this and therefore must keep your true identity secret.

  • You wake up as a random 10-year-old specifically in 2002, not your 10-year-old self, and not the age you actually were in 2002.

  • You live in the same country, speak the same language(s), and are the same ethnicity as your old self. Your biological sex matches your gender identity (flip a coin if you are enby).

  • You have 2 parents and 1.5 siblings. Your family earns exactly the median income for your country.

  • The person whose identity you now inhabit left a diary. You have no other knowledge of your new identity beyond this.

  • If you try to look for your old family, you learn they had a different child in this timeline who is the same age as you but is not you. They will not believe any attempt to convince them you are related.

  • The USB drive is compatible with any standard USB Type A connector. It is just large enough to fit all of Wikipedia, including hosted media and files, and the drive is read-only. The drive cannot be reformatted.

  • Stock market trends remain generally consistent for 5 years. After that, assume the butterfly effect will start to skew the results, so you cannot predict what will happen after 2007. Sports become too unreliable to bet on with 100% accuracy after 1 year.

  • I feel like I shouldn’t need to clarify this one, but no grooming kids. Assume there is a magical force that prevents you from dating anyone until both you and they are at least 18, and no one is attracted to you unless they would also feel okay dating someone who is your mental age.

EDIT - Additional clarifiers, if this helps:

  • The USB drive is not based on 2002 technology but is fully compatible with it. Assume it uses a novel architecture that can repurpose itself to be compatible with whatever system it is plugged into, as long as it fits the correct type of USB port.
  • esc27@piefed.social
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    18 days ago

    Well, my immediate problem is the general lack of memory and personality change (can’t really rely on a 10 year old’s diary.) So… I’m probably going to need some sort of convincing injury to blame.

    After that is the hard choice. I could toss the USB and just live. But the nature of the situation suggests I’m supposed to do something. At minimum I’d want the means to investigate the scenario. Running away has merits, but this sounds like a safe, stable situation, and it seems wrong to abandon the family this kid belonged to.

    I’ll need a side hustle that works for a 10 year old… maybe trading cards or something along those lines. The money does not matter as much as the hustle and laying the ground work for an early interest in business and money making schemes. After that, retail arbitrage, then a bigger payout. Cashing in a big prize for a discovery or winning the lottery would draw too much attention, but sports betting could work. Then use that to move into financial markets. Moving slowly but setting things up to ramp gains by 18. I know that misses the goal, but doing it earlier depends entirely on the family situation. 20 is probably more doable.

    • vateso5074@lemmy.worldOP
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      18 days ago

      Well you’re in luck, one bonus of the scenario is stipulated in the body of the post!

      Your biological sex matches your gender identity (flip a coin if you are enby)

  • 9point6@lemmy.world
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    19 days ago

    The billionaire one is kinda easy

    Sports betting to get your base funds up to a decent level then buy the shares in the successful tech companies post dot-com crash. Wouldn’t hurt to buy some gold and bitcoin too.

    Sports betting would continue helping you live a lavish lifestyle until all the investment income gets to a good level.

    If you do well enough, you should be able to amplify what you’ve already made to acquire an absurd amount of wealth on the subprime mortgage crash in 2008.

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    19 days ago

    I would just be happy to have a re-start at life and a chance to make better choices. Enjoy simpler times, get a head start on hobbies and passions, see my favorite bands that are no longer around :)

    Eventually I would invest in things which would earn me a safety net and extra income (hard to do that as a 10 year old), but not in companies that go against my values. I don’t need to get rich but I would like enough to be able to benefit my loved ones and community. Not the most ambitious, but practical.

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    18 days ago

    First, see if they have the wining numbers for Powerballs that were never won. Something in the tens to hundreds of millions. Then use the entries on the stock market to invest in things that will take off, allowing you to sell before they tank.

    Then take all that money and put it in to left wing think tanks that will make this mess go away entirely.

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    19 days ago

    Step 1: become obscenely rich, at least like 300B before 2016.

    Step 2: use my wealth to prevent Trump from becoming president(get fucked pedo looser!), Also gonna uncover the whole Trump Epstein thing early and get Epstein to testify in court against Trump if possible and put that asshole in jail for the rest of his miserable life.

    Step 3: lobby for the following with the rest of my money:

    • ranked choice voting
    • public transit
    • a proper healthcare system that doesn’t fuck everyone
    • make democracy in the us stronger any possible way I can
    • accelerate green energy transition

    Step 4: retire in a comfortable sized house with some cats.

    At least that would be my plan, but I feel like unintended consequences would probably fuck me over.

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      The years of buildup to you getting 300B before 2016 would alter the course of history though, making all your knowledge useless after you’ve amassed whatever amount changes history. You’d be hard pressed to make financial gains before you’re 18, so you’d amass 300B between 2010 and 2016. At some point early on you’d draw too much attention and change history enough to have no idea what’s coming.

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    18 days ago

    I probably start voicing concerns about the housing situation in 2006 then bet everything shorting it in 08. From there I buy a foreclosed house study electrical engineering and attempt to get a solar panel startup going cooperatively in the hopes of pushing 2014 Obama to focus on full renewables.

    I don’t need a lot of money, I need a future.

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    17 days ago

    I can think of a few things I do not like about the world today that I imagine I could improve in a scenario like that. They include:

    • Much of the world’s communication is mediated through centralized social media platforms that use opaque algorithms to determine what content people see. (Yes, this is a very Lemming concern)
    • There is a significant rise in (mostly) right-wing populism worldwide, driven, I think in part by the above.
    • Corporations and governments are increasingly able (and motivated) to block access to their digital systems from general-purpose computers that their owners fully control. Even the mainstream press saw Microsoft Palladium as a nightmarish power grab in 2002, but did not react the same way to Google SafetyNet in 2014.
    • I do not own a Gordan Murray Automotive T.50.

    Social media

    2002 is before anybody had a convincing lead in this field, but blogs were already popular, and on the Internet, nobody knows you’re a dog kid. I could start planting the seeds of more advanced federation capabilities through open source development right away. I’m assuming I have a computer of course, but I think even if I didn’t I could probably get my hands on something older just by expressing interest and aptitude.

    After laying the technical foundations and establishing some credibility as a developer and technologist, my goal would be to build something with significant mainstream appeal by the time Facebook opens to the public in late 2006. I’d need access to money at that point, whether my own or through investors, though as a federated system, I wouldn’t have to bear all of the costs (nor would I have the ability to extract all the profits, but even a hundredth of Zuck’s net worth is obscenely wealthy).

    Populism

    I honestly do not know how much of this is due to the present day social media environment, but I’m sure it’s a significant factor. I like to think that by tuning the design of social communication tools for more thoughtful discussion, more thoughtful leaders would thrive. Barring that, if I was obscenely wealthy, I could put my thumb on the scale by less honorable means, and I like to think I wouldn’t be so terribly corrupted by the money and power as to use it for evil.

    One idea that comes to mind for political discussion is used in Pol.is and (perhaps ineffectively) Twitter community notes: surface points where people who usually disagree are in agreement.

    Protecting general purpose computing

    This one is hard to the point I’m not sure it’s achievable, but It’s so important. The obvious approach is to launch a mobile operating system, which would have to at least stay even with Android. Microsoft tried this in 2012, and that was too late despite their entry attracting some diehard fans. If I have the superior OS and majority market share, I’m in a good position to resist attempts to mandate locked bootloaders and remote attestation.

    The good news is it’s not hard to do a better job with some fundamental design decisions given perfect hindsight, and with Android being open source, it wouldn’t be hard to support Android apps. There weren’t a lot of dependencies on Google’s services in the early days.

    This one would be reliant on the social media play for capital and credibility. It would need to be well underway by 2010, which is a tight timeline, but not impossible.

    An absurdly expensive sports car

    If either of the above plays works even moderately well, I can have my 11,500 RPM redline V12 three-seater. If not, I’d still be in a position to make a bunch of money, and I’d be trying some of them in parallel.

    Nobody’s going to give a ten year old control of an investment account just because they say they have some good ideas about the stock market, but if my hypothetical parents are anything like my real ones, after a couple months of demonstrating nearly-unbelievable skill at investing fake money, I’d be able to talk them into letting me invest a couple hundred dollars of real money and snowball things from there. I’d also know which startup ideas worked, what decisions were important in their success, and which founders I wouldn’t feel bad about ripping off.

    Even as reality diverges, I think certain trends were inevitable. Social media will happen. Smartphones will happen. Streaming will happen. EVs will happen. Generative AI will probably happen, but I think I might try to push that one back a few years if I was in a position to do so. Flying cars, fusion power, and space colonies probably aren’t happening by 2025 regardless of how many butterflies flap their wings.

  • Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org
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    19 days ago

    Impossible to read a USB stick from 2025 in the year 2002.

    Impossible to read a backup of Wikipedia from 2025 in the year 2002.

    Story over.

    • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.world
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      19 days ago

      This is, I’m sorry to say, baloney.

      In 2002 Windows XP was already out and natively supported NTFS volumes. So did Windows 2000. XP even supported ExFAT volumes with a patch which was released in April 2001. If you’re a Linux nerd, ext2 or ext3 could easily handle the partition and file sizes required. ext2 had already been available for decades at that point and ext3 was released in 2001 and readily available by 2002.

      Without media, the current Wikipedia (according to itself) is a hair over 24 gigabytes not including images and media, which’d fit on a 32 gig flash drive that, while it would be absolutely amazing to 2002 users just based on its sheer usable volume, would handily accept a bog standard NTFS partition readable on any XP or Win2k machine.

      There were no flash storage based drives bigger than one or two gigs in 2002, but there were plenty of external USB hard drives in that era that readily exceeded the 4 gig FAT32 partition size limit. I know this well because I was there at the time, and I owned several of them. You had to manually format them as NTFS to be able to use the entire capacity, but they absolutely did work over USB… Just not if you bunged them into a Windows 98 or ME machine. A modern flash drive would be no different. In all practicable terms you could mount a volume up to 2.2 terabytes in XP/2K if it were formatted NTFS without having to engage in any chicanery or third party tools.

      Including media the entirety of the Wikimedia Commons is something like 420 TB, which would be a challenge even today to load onto a single USB flash drive. If you were going to include the media (images and videos) these would probably have to be downscaled significantly in order to fit on any single portable drive, even current ones.

      The text content of Wikipedia would be no problem whatsoever. USB 3.0 didn’t exist yet, though, so at best you’d be chugging along loading everything at 2.0 speed if you had a compliant board and all the correct drivers for it (and were running at least Win2k service pack 4). You’d want an HTML dump, not one of their database dumps, because running the current Wikimedia software and database versions would be a challenge for sure. But a browser from 2002 shouldn’t trip up on any Wikipedia content except perhaps any .webp images (2010), or h264/h265 video content.

      You’d have a much bigger problem if OP warped you and your USB drive back to 1998 or worse, 1995.

      • Lasherz@lemmy.world
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        19 days ago

        There are ways you could allow it to work, but straight out of the pack it probably would not. Also consider GPT partitions as a likelihood which weren’t around. You’d also have to flip the bit ahead of time in diskpart to treat it as a hard drive without quick removal for xp to handle it correctly I believe.

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          18 days ago

          Quick removal isn’t a big concern since the drive is read only. You might crash anything with an open file handle, but you don’t have to worry about data corruption.

        • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.world
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          19 days ago

          Straight out of the pack it would probably be factory formatted as ExFAT. If you had the correct patch on a Windows XP machine (KB955704) it would literally be plug and play.

          MBR’s volume size limit is 2 T(i)B. You don’t need GPT for these types of storage sizes.

          • Lasherz@lemmy.world
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            18 days ago

            Ah I just tried out a new 64gb stick and you’re correct. I thought it would be EXFAT, but thought they were gpt by default. That appears to be untrue for the majority of drives according to a Google search too.

    • ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
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      19 days ago

      I don’t know about the formatting of Wikipedia but SD cards were on the market in 2002, so a micro SD card in a flash drive adapter would be possible, no?

      • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.world
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        19 days ago

        People in this thread are grossly overshooting when they’re assuming various technologies became available. USB flash drives absolutely existed in 2002. Not very big ones, by modern standards, but I personally owned a one gigabyte USB 2.0 drive in 2002 for which I paid many dollars. It allowed me to retain my title as king of the campus for several months.

        • ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
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          18 days ago

          My computer hard drive was 8 gigs at that time, so I totally get that an era appropriate flash drive that could hold Wikipedia wouldn’t be possible. I was assuming that it would be a flash drive from the future (or present depending on perspective).

    • vateso5074@lemmy.worldOP
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      19 days ago

      For the sake of the scenario, in addition to the details listed in the body of the post, assume the USB drive is type A and is readable by any PC with a USB type A connector, regardless of generation. It can also be read regardless of file system.

      There’s an inherent supernatural element to the premise, so assume “it just works.” There can be a specialized browser on the drive as well if you feel like you wouldn’t be able to make use of the raw HTML files.

      • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.world
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        19 days ago

        No assumptions are even required because this commenter is simply flat out wrong. See the breakdown here, or TL;DR: It would be trivial to mount a drive up to 2.2 TB (not GB, not MB…) using 2002 hardware.

        I think a bigger assumption in this scenario is that if you’re reborn as a random 10 year old holding a USB flash drive, you’ll zap to a place on the globe with ready access to a recent computer.

        • vateso5074@lemmy.worldOP
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          Yep. My household in 2002 had a computer, but that’s because I had a parent who worked in IT. Most people I knew at the time didn’t have one. By 2002, ~40% of the United States still did not have access to a computer at home, though the gap would keep closing year over year.

          But that’s just data for the United States. Other countries may have had lower rates of adoption at that time, and in a scenario where you would be less likely to wake up in a random household with a computer, it would require a bit more thinking to figure out how to get access to one.

          I’d probably look to schools and libraries as a place to start. If that’s not an option, then it’d be figuring out how to befriend a local rich kid who might have a computer. Otherwise, the USB is effectively a paperweight for some time and you’re left only with your memories of the future for guidance until computer access becomes more available.

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            Oh jeez I grew up with an engineer father and a mom who did punch card programming back in the day and just kinda assumed most people had a computer in the 90s

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            That brings to mind how the fuck most of us are going to avoid spending a nice long time in mental health treatment for the sudden change of personality and loss of memory

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      I can mount an old drive made in 2002 right now, formatted in a 2002 era format, and put text files on it, compressed with tar and gz from 1990 if need be.

      I assume that is the hardware we have to work with in this scenario.

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          We can assume whoever was smart enough to create a machine that can transport your consciousness in the past so it can inhabited that of a random child (murder btw), was also smart enough to transform the usb data into something that could be read and used in 2002.

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          19 days ago

          A backup can mean many things. One interpretation is as text files, which works.

          Text content of wikipedia is 24GB compressed.

          USB drives in 2002 could hold up to 256GB.

          This isnt hard man

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              Ah, sorry this is me being actually stupid. I was looking up normal drives. My apologies.

              Yeah we’d have to filter this a bit.

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                19 days ago

                I don’t know why I was expecting there would be any discussion in here other than NOOOOOO wojacking about technical feasibility rather than what you’d do with the knowledge

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                On that note, I’ve often wondered how big text-based Wikipedia would be if you pared it down to the most accessed articles, and cut out the articles on, say, the highest-scoring curling players from Zimbabwe in 2007.

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      19 days ago

      I doubt even the max number of USB 1.1 devices per bus can hold the size of current Wikipedia. (Quick Google shows ~4TB usb3.2 drives. And 127 individual devices. Gives you Max 508TB. In 2023 the size of everything in Wikipedia was ~430TB. )

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      19 days ago

      Like it or not, the most certain way to affect any kind of societal change (if that’s your goal), is to be rich.

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            Absolutely!

            Luckily everyone gets a Wikipedia backup detailing all of the things people won Nobel Prizes for up until 2025, so you have that advantage going for you.

            Problem is how to make it seem realistic for an 18-year-old to accomplish, and how to actually go about doing the thing on your own.

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      19 days ago

      Might be my fault for including that as one of the example goals in the body of the post. I also put “Earn a Nobel Prize by age 18” for anyone who wouldn’t be motivated by money, I’d be interested to know those takes as well.