Looking for:
- no misogynists (so dbzer0 is out)
- no libertarians, no marxist lenninsts, no tankies, no rightwingers
- people who understand climate change is real
- leftists including anarchists, social democrats, democratic socialists, communists, etc are great
I picked world bc I was told it would have the most activity. Since joining Lemmy I have been repeatedly harassed by men on this instance, threatened with murder and rape by users including open Nazis (this was also happening on Reddit), and permabanned for being a woman, for being a feminist, and for not breaking any rules and posting factual news sources. Would like a better instance.
Have been considering solarpunk Lemmy but willing to consider other instances, just not sure
Eta: I’m looking for a recommendation of an instance, not your personal opinion on my experiences or feelings. If you are not going to give me the name of an instance you’d recommend, don’t comment.
Here’s an article on tone policing: https://www.housing.wisc.edu/2023/12/inclusive-language-series-tone-policing-2/
• You need to recognize the indicators of tone policing, such as telling someone to calm down or to lower their tone for their message to be better received.
• Understand that various levels of emotions will often be expressed, especially during political or hot topic conversations.
• To refrain from invalidating other people’s feelings, try self-reflecting on your desire to invalidate their emotions and think about if this is due to your own discomfort.
• Tone policing must stop, especially when engaging in conversations regarding experiences with discrimination, oppression, and racism.
Here’s an article on hysteria: https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/hysteria-historical-mirror-misogyny-medicine
During the early 20th century, women were thought to be unfit for politics as their biology made them prone to hysteria. The suffrage movement became linked to hysteria and mental disorder, due to propaganda from the press and the government (Iglikowski-Broad, 2018). Attempts at militancy in their pursuit for equality were branded as hysteria by anti-suffrage supporters, demonstrating how use of mental health could be used to belittle the efforts of the women at the time (Thompson, 2016).
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I’m gonna keep it real with you. You’re going to see the same problems no matter which instance you end up on.
I have no idea who you are, and I don’t care. However, purely looking at your account history and modlog, you seem like a generally unpleasant person. You come off as someone who picks fights and can’t take criticism. The way you act is rude, hostile, and annoying. You also seem to be into some weird conspiracies, which makes you look unhinged. That’s probably why you keep getting banned. You’re not being banned for being a woman or a feminist, but because you break a lot of rules, at least according to the modlog.
My point is that it doesn’t matter which instance or platform you go to. You’re the common denominator. Obviously, that doesn’t mean people should harass you, but it does mean you’re at least partly responsible for how people interact with you. Lemmy is usually a chill place if you avoid politics, and even then, most people are nice as long as you’re civil. From what I see people are just treating you the way you treat them, so there’s a good chance that your problems might follow you on a new instance.
Here’s an article on tone policing: https://www.housing.wisc.edu/2023/12/inclusive-language-series-tone-policing-2/
• You need to recognize the indicators of tone policing, such as telling someone to calm down or to lower their tone for their message to be better received.
• Understand that various levels of emotions will often be expressed, especially during political or hot topic conversations.
• To refrain from invalidating other people’s feelings, try self-reflecting on your desire to invalidate their emotions and think about if this is due to your own discomfort.
• Tone policing must stop, especially when engaging in conversations regarding experiences with discrimination, oppression, and racism.
Here’s an article on hysteria: https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/hysteria-historical-mirror-misogyny-medicine
During the early 20th century, women were thought to be unfit for politics as their biology made them prone to hysteria. The suffrage movement became linked to hysteria and mental disorder, due to propaganda from the press and the government (Iglikowski-Broad, 2018). Attempts at militancy in their pursuit for equality were branded as hysteria by anti-suffrage supporters, demonstrating how use of mental health could be used to belittle the efforts of the women at the time (Thompson, 2016).
Lol no.
It’s amazing, men will do ANYTHING but admit misogyny, even while our government is being actively taken over by misogynists taking away bodily autonomy, the right to divorce, charges for beating your spouse, being able to vote, etc etc. These are all real policy proposals by my government in the last year. And you want to claim that the misogyny is all in my head - a misogynist thing to think and say. The rape threats aren’t in my head, and aren’t being said to men.
I am on other forums, I exist irl, and have been for decades - the issues I see are due to sexism here. That is my experience as a woman. It has also gotten worse as 5th gen warfare has gotten worse (esp since 2016). You don’t need to argue, insult me, or make up alternative theories - this is due to sexism. Period.
If you don’t get this, then you are a misogynist too.
I didn’t ask for your opinions on any of this, and your opinions are dogshit anyway. I asked what instance I might like. If you don’t know, go away.
Case in point lmao
…ditto
To be fair he’s a nazi whining about immigration
https://harpers.org/archive/1941/08/who-goes-nazi/
Why do you think so many people back then automatically associated a hatred of women with Nazism? It isn’t just Dorothy Thompson, it’s also Eugene V Debs and others. They all accurately identified a love of women and fair treatment of women as being anti-fascist.
Way to immediately prove their point
They actually proved mine first.
You are delusional.
The truth of the world is that most people don’t really care what gender you are. And most people on the internet don’t know what your gender is until you tell them.
Fast forward to you going straight to treating people like shit, and immediately using your gender to declare anyone that pushes back as a bigot in order to avoid any and all criticism. That’s not healthy behavior. Go seek help, particularly therapy
Yes, I am soooo delusional, no one cares abiut gender, such a stupid feminist for thinking people care about gender, and that RFK Jr just said we should diagnose women with TDS (meaning he’d put them in his camps) if they choose to take Tylenol for their pregnancy isn’t a sign of the rampant sexism killing and enslaving women. /s
You would never gaslight to benefit your own sex/men with this. /s You would never say “this is nothing” like the Republicans are currently saying about sending the national guard to Portland and Chicago and possibly invoking the insurrection act. /s. No, that is not something I’ve seen thousands of men do in the last year. /s
None of you even TALK about these concerns or topics. The misogyny is transparent. You’ve spent more effort insulting me in bad faith than critcizing ANY of the current harm to women. You are clearly a misogynist, a gender fascist.
Yes, it’s all in my head as a hysterical woman. /s
My experience of sexism isn’t a debatable topic. It is simply true.
And yes, most people see my username and know I am a woman.
I didn’t ask for your opinions on any of this, and your opinions are dogshit anyway. I asked what instance I might like. If you don’t know, go away.
Seems like you failed to answer me, so go ahead and leave, I made it clear I dont like misogynists like you. Stop bothering women who don’t want to be around you. No means no.
I just joined Lemmy Today, which is an instance run out of Oregon without any de-federation.
I’ve used them happily from a policy standpoint, but in past months, they’ve had some real load problems, where the instances has been unresponsive. I’m pretty sure that a lot of it is due to scraper-bots pulling material for AI training — I understand that this has been a serious problem for the Web as a whole, and particularly for forum sites, including the Threadiverse, and is why many Threadiverse instances have stopped allowing anonymous login in past months. Lemmy.today was a holdout, but finally also disabled anonymous login. However, I just tried it today and while it seemed fine for a while, I also saw an unresponsive episode, so I don’t know if they may still have other load issues to iron out.
Beep.
Your alarm for your dick medicine went off
Nah. That’s just lemmy’s dipshit detector. Seems like you set it off somehow…
Oh, is your dick medicine not working?
no marxist lenninsts, no tankies
Lemmy’s devs are tankies. Why not pick an instance of piefed instead?
I definitely might
Communists, but not Marxist-Leninists
Lol, wtf. Is this another case of seeking that fabled communism that sounds suspiciously like social democracy and is not consistent with any real world communist party’s platform?
No. It is because while I like Marx myself and have read Das Kapital, most online ML are:
- heavily involved in online 5th gen warfare and infiltrated with spies and bad faith actors that actively advocate for things that harm society and erode civil rights
- therefore the term ML and tankie tends to have been taken over by bad faith actors and it is hard to find real people in the noise
- sometimes authoritarian and not actually communist anyway
So while I may miss out on some cool people by excluding those spaces, if I look for OTHER leftist terms the 5th gen warfare slaves aren’t as aware of or into, then I can avoid them more and avoid their brainrot and concentrate on factual info and things that help me.
It’s also why I call myself an abolitionist first (when abolitionism and socialism/communism are the same thing), because there’s no way the current slave empires being grown will bring attention to their slavery by astroterfing THAT term. In fact, you can often get bots to abruptly block you or delete their comments (when normally they engage constantly on everything) by asking them if they are a slave. On Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, Telegram, Tumblr, everywhere I’ve tried this line (“NPR says bots like ypu are slaves. Are you a slave? Do you need help?”) on people that I suspect are bots/slaves, I’ve gotten blocked and they deleted their comments. And I first learned bots are usually slaves in big slave networks from an NPR Planet Money episode.
You can easily identify the 5th gen warfare terms btw by seeing repeated phrases or stances and asking those people/bots the slave question - if they block and delete, it is digital warfare of some kind.
And as always, I can give sources, but only ask if you actually want to read them. Shit is effortful af, that’s part of why I’m leaving here for a place where people have a hopefully higher level of civil rights knowledge.
Oh and last, I include social democrats because they tend to be educated in how the government works and in organizing, and a lot of older people ended up and social democrats due to McCarthyism. They tend to still be a little rad and worth making community with even if I really don’t agree on everything. These are your local librarians and science teachers who are very amicable to discussion etc.
I think I really need a ELI5 about those instances. Like, I thought the instance doesn’t matter, since I can see comments from users outside of lemmy.world? I feel so dumb. lol
Some instances have different policies of conduct. Lemmy.world is a pretty general instance, so it won’t really impact most people.
After another user’s comment, I really don’t think I understand it myself lol
It typically doesn’t. But some instances do defederate with some others, though it’s rare. Lemmygrad.ml, for example, is a “tankie”-oriented instance. A lot of instances don’t get along with it and have defederated from it. Your home instance is lemmy.world, and if you look here:
Click on the “Blocked Instances” tab to see a list of instances that lemmy.world has defederated from.
You’ll notive that lemmygrad.ml is on that list, so you won’t see any content from that instance.
Thanks for the great explanation, I think I understand now! c:
Yeah, I thought I understood also. Clearly, someone is mistaken though, I’m just not sure if it’s me or the OP which is disorienting.
I’ve been happy with sh.itjust.works
Agreed. Excellent instance with excellent admin team. Us users can be a bit awful, though.
Same. Nobody fucks with me here, and that’s just the way I like it.
Come to piefed
Blahaj zone is lovely
If you want a more-politically-censored environment, I guess you could try beehaw.org. They tend to enforce positivity and restrict some political stuff and are into creating a “safe space”.
We want to explicitly make a nice little corner of the internet where we can hide from racist, sexist, ableist, colonialist, homophobic, transphobic, and other forms of hateful speech. We want a space where people encourage each other, are nice to each other, are supportive and exploratory and playful.
It’s not really what I’m looking for in a home instance, and there’s a limited amount of activity there, but I’ll give that they seem to have a userbase that seems less suicidally-depressed than some other home instances on the Threadiverse. Note that they have defederated from lemmy.world, as they don’t feel that it fits with their policies, so you’ll have more-limited access to content than on most home instances. Also, I remember seeing that they were considering moving to some non-Lemmy platform (Pleroma? Can’t remember), so if you specifically want Lemmy, that might not work for you if they do such a move.
I don’t actually care about censoring like that, I think most communities, if they speak up enough individually, create their own culture that is self enforcing as new people learn their roles. This is supported ny how users on different subreddits will adopt different cultures automatically without even knowing the rules. In the earlier days, this was when mods would simply DM you or comment to you to ask you to change your comment and explain why. There was a lot more grace and gentle enforcement/explanations rather than strict bans or complete removals, which helped cultire form as a lot of times mods would help with word choice.
Funny enough, reminds me of an adhd subreddit where the rule was that you couldn’t use the word “you” at all, because people with ADHD often have demand hypersensitivity triggered by the use of “you.” And no exceptions allowed because that’s confusing for English 2nd language speakers. They were always demanding edits lol
Even without all that, most people can pick up on culture just by the reactions of the users.
I am just looking for a space that has attracted like, queer anarchist scientists who like to talk also about politics, philosophy, economics, and understand trading stocks and how marketing and the news moves stocks. It’s a simple request (jk)
lemmy.blahaj.zone seems nice, though i’m on pawb.social and haven’t had any issues.
also, blahaj.zoje has a piefed instance as well, im fairly sure.
All instances can be commented by users of other instances that they are federated to. So Im not sure you can avoid your experiences with another instance. That being said I like the piefed interface on the web so that is what I use.
Hey, how’s dbzer0 sexist???
Shocked at your experience on Lemmy honestly. Particularly perma banned for being a woman?
Solarpunk is good.
If db0 is weirdly sexist, I’ll gladly leave this place. I’m 100% a feminist. But I’m not seeing any evidence of this.
OP thinks any reaction to them flipping their shit instantly and constantly is aimed at their gender, instead of them flipping their shit instantly and constantly.
No. Wrong.
Yeah she seems a little off. I think she posts a little oddly but I don’t think she’s bad because she’s a woman. I think she’s a bit stressed out lately, and understandably so.
Self defense isn’t being “off.”
Being angry isn’t being “off.”
These are reasonable reactions.
You are promoting the idea of hysteria. This is offensive.
Would you like me to find all the comments I was responding to? The ones that promote pedophilia, rape, and subjugation of women? How exactly is the normal way to respond to that? Tell me, oh men, how you want to police my emotions. If only I could be a perfect victim like you.
Do you think Francine Hughes was wrong for setting her abusive husband on fire? The courts found her to be reacting noncriminally to her abuse in a landmark case for women’s rights in the 80s. Do you even know about that case? Or do you think women should ALL be quiet and just put up with abuse from men?
Here’s an article on tone policing: https://www.housing.wisc.edu/2023/12/inclusive-language-series-tone-policing-2/
• You need to recognize the indicators of tone policing, such as telling someone to calm down or to lower their tone for their message to be better received.
• Understand that various levels of emotions will often be expressed, especially during political or hot topic conversations.
• To refrain from invalidating other people’s feelings, try self-reflecting on your desire to invalidate their emotions and think about if this is due to your own discomfort.
• Tone policing must stop, especially when engaging in conversations regarding experiences with discrimination, oppression, and racism.
Here’s an article on hysteria: https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/hysteria-historical-mirror-misogyny-medicine
During the early 20th century, women were thought to be unfit for politics as their biology made them prone to hysteria. The suffrage movement became linked to hysteria and mental disorder, due to propaganda from the press and the government (Iglikowski-Broad, 2018). Attempts at militancy in their pursuit for equality were branded as hysteria by anti-suffrage supporters, demonstrating how use of mental health could be used to belittle the efforts of the women at the time (Thompson, 2016).
And this is a very clear example.
Someone disagrees with anything you do or like and you automatically assume they must not know anything and require education on some super basic subjects. So you decide the correct way to convey your viewpoint is with a half page copypasta, stripping out the useful intro and just offering instructions.
You treat everyone like they’re simultaneously some kind of uneducated child and the personification of evil. Perhaps somewhat understandably, people don’t really take well to that.
And now that I see your replies, you also seem to be hyperfocussing on one specific offense to you, pasting to the same reply to numerous, completely different, people and posts. I totally see why you’re getting banned so much, no community wants spammy replies like that.
Here’s an article on tone policing: https://www.housing.wisc.edu/2023/12/inclusive-language-series-tone-policing-2/
• You need to recognize the indicators of tone policing, such as telling someone to calm down or to lower their tone for their message to be better received.
• Understand that various levels of emotions will often be expressed, especially during political or hot topic conversations.
• To refrain from invalidating other people’s feelings, try self-reflecting on your desire to invalidate their emotions and think about if this is due to your own discomfort.
• Tone policing must stop, especially when engaging in conversations regarding experiences with discrimination, oppression, and racism.
Here’s an article on hysteria: https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/hysteria-historical-mirror-misogyny-medicine
During the early 20th century, women were thought to be unfit for politics as their biology made them prone to hysteria. The suffrage movement became linked to hysteria and mental disorder, due to propaganda from the press and the government (Iglikowski-Broad, 2018). Attempts at militancy in their pursuit for equality were branded as hysteria by anti-suffrage supporters, demonstrating how use of mental health could be used to belittle the efforts of the women at the time (Thompson, 2016).
You do lack education. You do act like an ignorant child. You are causing harm. I do not need to rewrite well established summaries anew for everyone who struggles with the concepts of tone policing and hysteria.
And look in the mirror. Your attitude is worse than mine and you uphold systems of oppression too. Disgusting.
This, see below, he says they have a screengrab of my comments.
Please understand completely that misogyny IS gender fascism. I do not give a FUCK about being palatable to ANY fascists. Have you smelled the blood of a woman giving birth? Do you understand what that kind of slavery is like? Do you understand what has been at stake for your mother and every woman for months? Or are you blind and numb to it because it doesn’t involve you?
This sexist rhetoric online and elsewhere has been an issue since Gamergate, it’s pusged by massive 5tth gen warfare networks with MINIMAL pushback, and women were told to pipe down and it’s the boys club - and now abortion rights have been taken away and they are seriously trying to take away the right to vote, the right to divorce, the right to beat and rape your wife (spousal rape was still legal in the 90s). Me insulting people like this is like me insulting blatant genocidal Nazis - which I’ve also done and received raoe and death threats for… because they are all fascists.
Some of us have to stand for something and say something. The reason they squirm and complain is because it works.
Recommended documentaries (trigger warning):
- It’s A Girl (infanticide)
- Half the Sky (graphic sexism, sexual abuse)
- Whore’s Glory (graphic sexual abuse)
- Bleeding Edge (medical)
- Hot Coffee (medical)
- Diagnosis (medical)
- How to Die in Oregon (assisted suicide)
OK so decided to check the modlog. You’ve been banned from 5 different comms on 4 different instances by 5 different mods.
- One for name calling and personal attacks.
- One for trolling.
- One for being generally unpleasant.
- One says many many rule violations.
- One says Repeated misinformation.
On comms like casual UK and tumblr.
You have two removed posts, one posting us news where it isnt allowed. One being ‘not news’, which is arguable.
And so many removed comments that I can’t even go through it all. Having read a couple they seem fair. I’m sure theres some unfair ones amongst them.
But your behaviour is very reddit like. Please understand that this place is run by the money and effort of the individuals who you are often attacking, the admins. People here also prefer to be chill and not combative unless there’s extreme right wingers. Mild petty internet disagreements are not worth being uncivil about.
You are of course more than welcome here as your heart is clearly in the right place but please understand that people here just want a chill space to be in.
https://lemmy.world/post/36969200/19817472
Per the mod that banned me, that is not why I was banned for some of those.
The “US news” was about Elon Musk, a man from South Africa, interfering in global elections worldwide. They claimed it was US only but it wasn’t.
And I am proud to give personal attacks to misogynists, fascists, racists, child predators, and all the other dirtbags on here. That I am trying to avoid future conflict by changing instances is seemingly lost on you - yeah, when people defend themselves and stand up to abusers and the status quo, that creates waves and conflict. That is how we got human rights. I don’t respect attitudes like this.
I do not have 5 accounts. I have this account.
WE THE COMMUNITY make the rules for general behavior, and I will NOT be compliant to the HORRIBLE SHIT I see on Lemmy constantly.
“Lol you aren’t evil, you are just weak minded and unable to perform empathy at an adult level. Asking you to do so created a tantrum. Yes, you are a gender narcissist as I’ve explained. You are sexist, quite transparently. I won’t go away, I have a right to exist here. You can leave if you want, since you have nothing substantial to add. I’d also bite your dick off to watch you writhe so you might want to keep the sweety comment to yourself. I’m not that sweet, professionally so.”
I’m not even looking for bad ones, this is just right upfront. The whole conversation is a mess, not just you.
But both sets of comments were removed not just yours.
Here’s an article on tone policing: https://www.housing.wisc.edu/2023/12/inclusive-language-series-tone-policing-2/
• You need to recognize the indicators of tone policing, such as telling someone to calm down or to lower their tone for their message to be better received.
• Understand that various levels of emotions will often be expressed, especially during political or hot topic conversations.
• To refrain from invalidating other people’s feelings, try self-reflecting on your desire to invalidate their emotions and think about if this is due to your own discomfort.
• Tone policing must stop, especially when engaging in conversations regarding experiences with discrimination, oppression, and racism.
Here’s an article on hysteria: https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/hysteria-historical-mirror-misogyny-medicine
During the early 20th century, women were thought to be unfit for politics as their biology made them prone to hysteria. The suffrage movement became linked to hysteria and mental disorder, due to propaganda from the press and the government (Iglikowski-Broad, 2018). Attempts at militancy in their pursuit for equality were branded as hysteria by anti-suffrage supporters, demonstrating how use of mental health could be used to belittle the efforts of the women at the time (Thompson, 2016).
Won’t someone please think of the poor misogynists? Waa. All they are doing is destroying society and killing and enslaving women
Here’s the actual comment chain: https://lemmy.world/post/21749661/13348174
I never said those were the only bans - I simply have a problem with the bans I originally brought up for being a feminist and not breaking rules per the mod who banned me, which is why I want to leave. As in I spoke with the mod and broke down my comment and they were unable to say what rule I’d broken. This wasn’t an invitation to discuss my bans, this was information provided so people can recommend a better fit for me personally.
Here’s an article on tone policing: https://www.housing.wisc.edu/2023/12/inclusive-language-series-tone-policing-2/
• You need to recognize the indicators of tone policing, such as telling someone to calm down or to lower their tone for their message to be better received.
• Understand that various levels of emotions will often be expressed, especially during political or hot topic conversations.
• To refrain from invalidating other people’s feelings, try self-reflecting on your desire to invalidate their emotions and think about if this is due to your own discomfort.
• Tone policing must stop, especially when engaging in conversations regarding experiences with discrimination, oppression, and racism.
Here’s an article on hysteria: https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/hysteria-historical-mirror-misogyny-medicine
During the early 20th century, women were thought to be unfit for politics as their biology made them prone to hysteria. The suffrage movement became linked to hysteria and mental disorder, due to propaganda from the press and the government (Iglikowski-Broad, 2018). Attempts at militancy in their pursuit for equality were branded as hysteria by anti-suffrage supporters, demonstrating how use of mental health could be used to belittle the efforts of the women at the time (Thompson, 2016).
Damn, she got exposed lmao. You’re doing the lord’s work be sharing this with the community, thank you.
Exposed for things I openly talked about in my first comment? Doing the lord’s work for not putting the comments I was responding to? Enlightened centrism supporting the status quo of the patriarchy once again, and women better shut up and get in line, huh?
lmfao please never change
Go away. When women don’t want to be around you, you should respect that. No means no.
non-consensual replies are sexual harassment!
Why would you say that? Would you have said that to a man?
Thanks, @[email protected] , that was so helpful you tagged him here for him to say blatantly misogynistic stuff like this (and no, he would never say this to anyone but women). It was TOTALLY NECESSARY to answer my question of “which instance would you recommend to GET AWAY FROM THESE USERS?”
Wasn’t my goal honestly. 🤷♂️
Here’s an article on tone policing: https://www.housing.wisc.edu/2023/12/inclusive-language-series-tone-policing-2/
• You need to recognize the indicators of tone policing, such as telling someone to calm down or to lower their tone for their message to be better received.
• Understand that various levels of emotions will often be expressed, especially during political or hot topic conversations.
• To refrain from invalidating other people’s feelings, try self-reflecting on your desire to invalidate their emotions and think about if this is due to your own discomfort.
• Tone policing must stop, especially when engaging in conversations regarding experiences with discrimination, oppression, and racism.
Here’s an article on hysteria: https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/hysteria-historical-mirror-misogyny-medicine
During the early 20th century, women were thought to be unfit for politics as their biology made them prone to hysteria. The suffrage movement became linked to hysteria and mental disorder, due to propaganda from the press and the government (Iglikowski-Broad, 2018). Attempts at militancy in their pursuit for equality were branded as hysteria by anti-suffrage supporters, demonstrating how use of mental health could be used to belittle the efforts of the women at the time (Thompson, 2016).
“He does. One is an executive of neuralink. Elon and other billionaires literally want to kill everyone and start their own super human race. They are starting a civil war.”
I despise elon but wouldn’t complain if this was removed for being misinformation.
Here’s an article on tone policing: https://www.housing.wisc.edu/2023/12/inclusive-language-series-tone-policing-2/
• You need to recognize the indicators of tone policing, such as telling someone to calm down or to lower their tone for their message to be better received.
• Understand that various levels of emotions will often be expressed, especially during political or hot topic conversations.
• To refrain from invalidating other people’s feelings, try self-reflecting on your desire to invalidate their emotions and think about if this is due to your own discomfort.
• Tone policing must stop, especially when engaging in conversations regarding experiences with discrimination, oppression, and racism.
Here’s an article on hysteria: https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/hysteria-historical-mirror-misogyny-medicine
During the early 20th century, women were thought to be unfit for politics as their biology made them prone to hysteria. The suffrage movement became linked to hysteria and mental disorder, due to propaganda from the press and the government (Iglikowski-Broad, 2018). Attempts at militancy in their pursuit for equality were branded as hysteria by anti-suffrage supporters, demonstrating how use of mental health could be used to belittle the efforts of the women at the time (Thompson, 2016).
It’s literally true and I can give news sources for it. Look up Dark Enlightenment.
https://lemmy.world/post/36969200/19817472
If you look at the second link, a user told me they proudly laugh at me and have pics of my comments as their banner - because I am angry that Project 2025 is killing women, enslaving women, and taking away our rights, and men seemingly do not give a fuck at all. In fact they complain about lack of sex and intimacy and gaslight women telling us to calm down. I will never join that instance if that is considered okay behavior.
This is the relevant link I think: https://lemmy.world/post/32343339/18042041
I totally get that Lemmy and the internet in general (and society in general) isn’t as welcoming for women as it is for men, so I can totally empathize with where you are coming from here.
You cant even acknowledge that he [Trump] may seize fascist control of Wikipedia lol. You’re weak mentally, you aren’t going to war against anything. We can all see that. The men in this country are the most shameful, disappointing, pathetic things I’ve ever witnessed.
First, if you want me to remove the site tagline with your quote, I’ll be happy to do so. Just let me know. Adding it really had nothing whatsoever to do with misogyny though - I added it because I [mostly] agree with the sentiment. I definitely enjoyed your hyperbolic turn of phrase. I also thought it would be a good fit with our other taglines. Did I also find it amusing? Yes, gotta admit, but a lot of our taglines get chosen because they are also funny in some way. In this case what was funny (to me) was the hyperbole, not the core message, and not the fact you are a woman. You can choose to believe that or not, of course, but I genuinely wasn’t coming from that place.
Having read through the original thread, I don’t think things went down quite as you have characterized it either. It looks like you accidentally replied to one of our users (@[email protected]) comments instead of replying to the OP. So that’s how you got into the conversation with him in the first place. Then, you got angry with him when he mentioned we had used one of your comments as a tagline, made a bunch of assumptions about the reason why, and then started misgendering him for some reason? The removed comment was “eat shit” btw.
Yes, remove it.
I already posted that link to thr full thread itt multiple times
I did not accidentally respond, I was piggybacking off his comment to bring up my bad experiences with a mod that others were talking about - I was agreeing with him that that mod is an issue. Therefore, the only thing in my comment that would have invoked a hostile response is the content of it that he DOESN’T agree with:
please fire the mod who is abusing their power to be sexist against women with opinions.
Out of nowhere HE chose to respond with telling me I am “infamous” due to a meme. Learn to read, it was open hostility. Just like he chose to do here in this thread because you tagged him and summoned him, bringing someone who harasses me here (thanks!). Stop giving men the generous interpretation and women the short stick automatically - that is misogyny. This is also why you are unqualified to discuss feminist topics as if you can determine what is and isn’t misogyny.
Last, no. It’s harassment or he wouldn’t say “infamous” about a post criticizing men and their inaction during fascist takeover (stop gaslighting). If he is going to treat women like shit and push the patriarchy, then it can be reflected back at him. You know immediately what wounds fascists by what they police and hate, and it’s fine to use that speech against them - so you can get them to agree that the patriarchy is bad and NO ONE should be enforcing gender roles on others. That’s the point.
I get that this is your attempt to save face though. It doesn’t work to gaslight women who know your stupid lies and tricks. I noticed the lack of apology for the impact of what you did regardless of intent.
Out of nowhere HE chose to respond with telling me I am “infamous” due to a meme. Learn to read, it was open hostility.
I accept you experienced it as misogyny. But it looks to me like he only replied to you because you replied to him first. It was hardly “out of nowhere”.
Last, no. It’s harassment or he wouldn’t say “infamous” about a post criticizing men and their inaction during fascist takeover (stop gaslighting).
Imo it’s your hyperbolic language that has made you rather infamous around Lemmy. Not the fact you are a woman. And I have no problem with the language you use - a bit of hyperbole often makes the point more impactful.
If he is going to treat women like shit and push the patriarchy, then it can be reflected back at him.
That’s a hypothetical. Yes, IF he did that then I’d completely agree with you. I just don’t agree with you that’s what happened.
You know immediately what wounds fascists by what they police and hate, and it’s fine to use that speech against them - so you can get them to agree that the patriarchy is bad and NO ONE should be enforcing gender roles on others. That’s the point.
The fact you are slinging words like ‘fascist’ around at _cryptagion tells me either you haven’t bothered to read his post/comment history before making the accusation. He’s one of those antifa types you libs love to hate on.
I get that this is your attempt to save face though. It doesn’t work to gaslight women who know your stupid lies and tricks. I noticed the lack of apology for the impact of what you did regardless of intent. https://harpers.org/archive/1941/08/who-goes-nazi/
I do apologize for posting your comment as a tagline, and I have removed it since that’s what you asked me to do. Beyond that I don’t think there’s much to discuss.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPongiPj2wO/
This is why the misogyny is invisible to you. You’re like the interviewer in this clip, giggling and laughing and unaware. Yanis speaks here about Marxism and how it inherently connects to feminism - sexism in leftist spaces is a major issue. That’s the person you’re defending, and I looked through his account - he doesn’t care about women at all. At least 10 pages deep and he has never said anything to support or help women at all. What a fucking comrade.
I’m leaving Lemmy entirely. It’s genuinely a waste of my time to be here. Thanks for the gaslighting, harassment, and very ignorant takes, and supporting people who covertly threaten rape and sexual harassment and ignore consent.
Was never banned from here FYI.
Yeah no I checked, not from db0 and not from any comm on this instance either.
I’m just not further engaging here bc well…
Honestly I’d suggest that to you too. Just remove the tagline and don’t engage in any further communication.
Somehow despite all the things said, I still dont think that she’s a troll or even ill meaning. Actually believe she’s got good intentions lol.
Yeah I have removed it. I just don’t understand where all the animosity is coming from in this case. It seems so misdirected. Can’t win 'em all over I guess.
https://lemmy.world/post/36969200/19817472
Yes, being a feminist was not okay in the early days here. Afaik I was the only person that was openly a woman or feminist for several months when I first joined.
I joined in July 2023 (on my first account on .world) and had nearly the opposite experience. I expect a certain amount of misogny in male dominated online spaces and it’s definitely not sunshine and roses here, as per the occasional trolls who hop into the women’s only community, but my first thoughts were of how little toxicity I saw, compared to other platforms.
That said, I curate my feed, mainly stick to communities I subscribe to, and (usually) disengage when the communication isn’t effective.
Okay, you’ll notice we are different people with different experiences. Do you have an instance you can recommend? Otherwise, this isn’t meant to be a discussion on experiences.
I did comment on the main post. And now I’m choosing to disengage.
Thanks, bye!
When has dbzer0 been misogynist? /gen.
I don’t think we’ll get an answer here, but I’ll be happy to call out that shitheel who’s a raging sexist because they were born with different equipment. Sexism is awful shit.
See my other comment itt
I’ve scrolled through a few, and I’m not sure which one you’re talking about. Would you mind linking it?
Sure, here is a link the other user provided and a back and forth between me and them explaining:
https://lemmy.world/post/37124370/19881458
It does appear that that user (who is now itt) is now on the anarchist instance. Either way, piefed and/or solarpunk is likely where I’ll go to, plus I am joining a lot of independent website forums anyway.
you should try just not not engaging in political discussions then. you seem to be very outgoing with it, which will attract people with opposing views leading you further down the defence route.
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stay away from political
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stay off social media
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deal with it and/or block them.
you’re literally asking for a safe haven from the world, on the world wide web…that won’t exist, or it’ll be an echo chamber.
also, stop insulting people constantly and perhaps they won’t insult/belittle you back… take the high road.
and because I truly don’t care, I’m blocking you to avoid further back and forth nonsense which I assume you’ll want to start/continue based on a LOT of your comments.
hope you find that small corner of only like minded people…
No thanks.
Here’s an article on tone policing: https://www.housing.wisc.edu/2023/12/inclusive-language-series-tone-policing-2/
• You need to recognize the indicators of tone policing, such as telling someone to calm down or to lower their tone for their message to be better received.
• Understand that various levels of emotions will often be expressed, especially during political or hot topic conversations.
• To refrain from invalidating other people’s feelings, try self-reflecting on your desire to invalidate their emotions and think about if this is due to your own discomfort.
• Tone policing must stop, especially when engaging in conversations regarding experiences with discrimination, oppression, and racism.
Here’s an article on hysteria: https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/hysteria-historical-mirror-misogyny-medicine
During the early 20th century, women were thought to be unfit for politics as their biology made them prone to hysteria. The suffrage movement became linked to hysteria and mental disorder, due to propaganda from the press and the government (Iglikowski-Broad, 2018). Attempts at militancy in their pursuit for equality were branded as hysteria by anti-suffrage supporters, demonstrating how use of mental health could be used to belittle the efforts of the women at the time (Thompson, 2016).
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