As a programmer we sometimes might look like we are not doing much from the outside but actually we’re dead inside thank you
ptogrammer, i think you mean
Shhh don’t tell my boss I’m a PTOgrammer 😎🍹
If staring at it isn’t giving the results you expect, try not staring at it. Math, much like photons, functions differently when observed.
I honestly needed to hear this today, so thank you. I’m at work trying to work out someone else’s uncommented code and have just been staring at it mumbling to myself. I’m new to the position so I’m anxious my new coworkers will think I’m just dicking around… This is the validation I needed. Thanks everyone!
Say out loud to yourself, “What the hell is this?” or, “Why did they do it this way?” once in a while. Everyone around will think you know exactly what you’re doing.
@[email protected] this is good advice
I can hear the vocal inflections in this comic.
I don’t know your circumstances, but it is usually OK to just ask. Especially if the original author is around. Don’t do it all the time and you’ll be OK. Even can come with positive image out of it, if you ask the right questions.
Other than that, I found that the current llms like ChatGPT (and perhaps Claude) are very good at explaining code, most of the time, for some languages ;)
Hey, thanks for your concern. I’m asking tons of questions, don’t worry. Unfortunately the last 3 keepers of this code are no longer around to ask, thus the staring at code.
Sounds like, at the very least, a yellow flag to me. Be aware that there may be other stuff broken in their processes other than legacy code. :)
And this is why I moved to using white boards.
I wish I understood how to use them. I have half written scraps of paper and random text in random text files. Notebooks are about the best I can do. I can’t write very well on a vertical board. It is really really uncomfortable and I end up obsessing on how bad it looks over solving the problem. Sometimes drawing on my iPad instead works, but that is another place to look for things.
I do like using Markdown + Mermaid. Obsidian is a nice little note taking app once I got it configured. It just takes me forever.
They have smaller white boards you can just prop up at a nice angle on your desk. These are what I use. Bigger ones that have to hang are for scheduling because I also black hole anything more than a week away. Also the white board is just off loading my thoughts so people can’t interrupt me so badly. I still use note taking apps for tracking completed thoughts or things I have to come back to.
I find for coding problems it’s actually better to walk away and let it tick over in your mind.
You’ll often get a shower thought type moment.
That works for pretty much anything.
Get up and do anything else for a while. School teaches us to sit at our desks and work on the problem. Stop acting like a sixth grader.
That works for pretty much anything. Get up and do anything else for a while.
This got me fired from the daycare
Me, staring at my code, fiddling around, retrying it over and over: “WHY WON’T YOU WORK, DAMMIT?”
Me, late at night, trying to sleep, suddenly wide awake: “Oh that’s why!”
Me, the next morning, staring at my code: “…what was it again?”
Aside from “learning to spell hypnotized or just trusting your phone knows better than you,” there are a bunch of tricks we use.
- Staring at it and going over the code path
- Talking to a proverbial duck
- Going out for a proverbial cheeseburger
- Sleeping on it
Half of these tricks force the brain to stop confirming and start seeing, which is our biggest error source. The rest of these tricks let the problem ruminate in our subconscious which is sometimes really good at solving shit.
Haven’t heard of the proverbial cheeseburger… gonna stare at this phrase for a bit.
1, 3 and 4 (in that exact order) have almost always gotten things moving again. rubber ducking it just feels “forced” to me.
I talk to myself almost constantly, even when not programming. Rubber ducking is second nature to me now. Though, IDK which came first.
You can just talk to one of your more inept coworkers.
A true software developer will also raise their hands in celebration when they finally solve a problem that’s been plaguing them.
Even if you’re working from home, alone.
I often cackle maniacally when I solve something in a particularly effective way.
Mixed in with periods of
More of the latter than the former, unfortunately. But, well Boris met his demise with his hubris so perhaps imposter syndrome saves lives.
Sometimes I even stand up.
Granddads standing up, I’ve heard it all. /s
I had a theoretical math professor. He said something along the lines of, “Being a theoretical math professor is the best job in the world. You can lean back in your chair, put your feet on your desk and close your eyes, and no one can tell if you’re working or having a nap.”
I don’t like coding, so I became a systems administrator.
Today, I spent about three hours “coding” a script. Before I started my testing phase to see if all the code put together would work as intended, I just did a pass over the code. I literally just stared at it for a solid 20+ minutes to make sure it made sense.
I imagine any form of “real” programming is going to require a lot more staring for a lot longer just to make sure the code isn’t profoundly screwed up.
Sometimes, very rare but still, I can stare at the screen for the whole day and write zero lines of code. These rare days are the most demanding and the most stressful. Any monkey can “write code”, understanding the business logic of a complex application - that’s a very taxing mental work.
Wait until she walks in on him explaining the problem out loud to a rubber duck.
I used to work in an office with 4 other developers. It was a common occurrence to have the lights go off in the room, for energy saving.
Simone would wave their arm, then go back to staring.
I work in a dedicated room in my house (remote developer). During the day I don’t really need to turn the lights on—windows and a skylight. The sun sets and sometimes I really just don’t notice. My wife will come in at some point and scold me for working in the dark, claiming it’s bad for my eyes (as if staring at a screen all day isn’t already).
I actually rather enjoy that rather not-subtle marker of the passage of time and how entrancing “the zone” can be such that I fail to even notice that.
God bless Simone
Tbh a good builder/technician will do this too when faced with a complicated fix
Same thing; every action has an opposite reaction, whether it’s code or physical engineering
I’m a carpenter, I do high end stuff for rich people with really expensive pieces of wood. I’ll stare as much as I need to on the issues I have or even before starting anything. Need to think about every way it could go wrong.
How do you prepare for “world ends in nuclear holocaust?” Seems a bit difficult to account for.
Don’t ask him, he will be angry and mumbling something about “the zone”.
I’ve often been accused of looking angry when I’m thinking about a problem. Of course I’m angry! How dare the solution allude me! 😡
I refer to the process as “loading” and it helps so much when coding, debugging or even playing puzzle games
