I have yet to see any place with a good hiring procedure, this nonsense included. People saying they work in HR should generally be looked at as if they just admitted to being in a cult, which is terrifying because it means cultists will be deciding whether you get to do the thing you do to keep from starving in the street.
People saying they work in HR should generally be looked at as if they just admitted to being in a cult
I’ve never heard it described like this but you nailed it.
People saying they work in HR should generally be looked at as if they just admitted to being in a cult
I mean, what else do you have to evaluate a resume and some thinly sourced references except chicken entrails and prayer? It’s not exactly a hard science.
To be honest, you’re not entirely wrong. It’s so risky to ever be “mask off” in corporate settings.
I got an in-the-mail thank you card from someone I interviewed once. We didn’t end up hiring them but it was a nice gesture. I know when I was first interviewing for jobs ~20 years ago it was common advice to send a followup / thank you.
shut the fuck up marco
It’s all part of the test I guess. No need to get angry, it’s just part of the game and we are usually not the ones setting up the rules.
Not until you succeed at the game that isThose that send a thankyou email fail the test and have to work for that guy.
On the other side…
I’m so dead sick of those “thank you for applying, you are so awesome and amazing! But we went with another guy” emails
What do you want to read if you were really good, but the other candidate was a touch better? Do you really want to receive a “fuck you” letter?
I’d rather have that email than being ghosted by the company you applied at. Which happens more often than not.
At least it’s something to let you know. I got down to a final 2 interview and haven’t heard anything from the company in a week even though I thought I had pretty good chances. I’d rather take a wishy washy answer over no answer at all.
The alternative is to not know, I don’t care if they send a nicely worded rejection over ghosting.
A lot of bitter job-hunters in this post.
I hope.youre including yourself.
Yeah, that’s what happens after a few hundred ai stirred rejection letters
I might be old school but I see nothing wrong with a little politeness, especially if it gets my foot in the door. But then again, I’m not going to continually kiss someone’s ass for what should be a mutually beneficial situation.
It’s the idea that everything can go perfectly, but they have one specific secret test they don’t tell you about that’s also completely irrelevant to the position you’re interviewing for.
A lot of the people jerking their knees at these “rituals” we do have never been in the position of actually having to hire someone.
Whatever your principles and attitude might be now, if you get into a role that requires you to make good decisions on who you’re paying a ton of company money to, with your ass riding on it, you WILL adjust your ideas for how to make the best decisions.
FWIW I’m jerking my knee at this ritual and interviewed someone who’s starting on Monday. I’ve been on both ends of this and find the rituals exhausting. If I had extra time for frivolous emails, then we wouldn’t be hiring!
A divorce attorney posting this. I get the feeling most of his clients are scumbags trying to get out of their responsibilities.
Capitalism is a sickness.
Someone having big ego and some kind of hierarchy is present in all systems. Such are humans
You just need to get it to work for you - narcissists are easily taken advantage of. Be crafty, do not give up to learned helplessness and this will turn into an opportunity
Give them what they want and stab them in the back later when your position is solid
You can hate someone but don’t let it make you miserable
Perpetuate that cycle, amirite? Fight narcissism with sociopathy!
Wait! How can i get the privilege to work with this smug loser?!!
I would think there’s very, very few interviews where the interviewee doesn’t verbally thank them both at the beginning and end of the interview. Needing more than that is just narcissism.
You would be astonished how many people interview who have no fucking business trying to work at said establishment.
You would also be shocked how many people are just giant assholes because they perceive the hiring manager as “authority” instead of just someone else trying to do their job who has to meet hundreds of people and make a decision that their own job is riding on.
Some people have such a strong aversion to work or having a job or a boss at all that they are rude, hostile or uninterested in the interview process. I’ve had people call in to interviews while at drive-throughs. One called in from in bed, half awake. Another in-person was drunk/high and stumbled out while ranting about “the man” and conspiracy shit.
Look guys, if you want a job, you have to understand it’s a competition. It’s not even the hardest competition you’ll ever take part in, but if you put in a LITTLE effort, you can get a job and pay for your shit. Everyone just wants to pay for their shit, including the poor schlub trying to hire for their company.
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the oval officeour office”Thank you emails are good. The real question is, should you space it out. Like a day or two after the interview? Because sending one right after does zero IMO. You need to keep yourself on their minds and as we all do…we forget.
So keep yourself in their minds and give it a day or two after the interview
Within 72 hours is considered appropriate.
While this person definitely sounds like a giant douche, it is in fact best practice to send a thank you email after an interview.
Yeah, it’s unfortunately good advice. Hearing it from a hiring manager in a “dance my puppet” way just makes me want to vomit though.
The asshat in OP’s image isn’t representational of people who hire people in the average, every-day world.
In reality, most hiring is done by mid-level managers who have to interview dozens of people a week on top of doing their own work, and it’s tiring and you don’t get paid extra for it, and if you pick the wrong candidate your own ass is canned.
Yah, it really does help your chances if you show even a shred of actual desire to work there.
LOL fuck that. We each shared our precious time. I will thank you for yours at the end of each session.
Actually, this did remind me of the time that a recruiter gave me a thank-you gift at the end of an interview. He was very respectful of my time.
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The interviewee is getting an opportunity. There’s a clear imbalance of power, but it’s not wholly exploitative.
That being said, I do remind my interviewees to not worry about my time during the interview, because I’m getting paid to be there, and it’s more fun than a meeting.
The interviewee is getting an opportunity.
Yes, thank your masters for considering you for further exploitation
This is normal
This is good
You know, you don’t HAVE to get a job.
Do you have a good relationship with your parents?
Do you have any older, wealthier people in your neighborhood who expressed that you’re attractive?
Do you or your family have paid-off land that can be worked for sustenance?
There are TONS of options other than working!
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It’s so weird tbh. It’s a mutual need, they want people I want a job — why don’t I ever get an email thanking me for my time?
To increase your chances send an additional email offering to wash your interviewer car for free. /s
Just no.
Say ‘thank you for your time’ when leaving the interview.
This. It’s time consuming and it sucks, but it makes you stand out. Job hunting is truly half skills, half theatrics after all
Lol half? I’d say about a 20-80 split.
Throw in an extra 30-50% of networking/connections.
Grovel at their feet from the beginning to show they can walk all over you in the future.
Not in software development. Maybe in other career paths though.
I’ve hired (low) dozens of people in public sector environments, and neither myself nor anyone on my hiring panels has ever cared if we receive a post-interview thank you. Maybe private sector is different, but I’d just as soon not have you clog up my inbox with thanks or make a post-interview pitch about your skills/excitement.
If you say thanks in the room, we’re square. Likewise, I always thank people for their interest and time in the role.
if a thank you email is the difference between being hired and not, you are a cog
keep your resume up to date
Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t, I wouldn’t want to work for anyone who expects one and I’m glad that me not sending one cements that. I also don’t do cover letters. A resume is already a summary of the exact information you’re asking for in the application (and going to make me repeat as if you never had a chance to see it beforehand in the interview); a cover letter is just another step, summarizing the resume. If you can’t take the time to even look through my resume, don’t bother, you’re probably too “high speed” for me in your “fast paced work environment” and I’m not looking to “wear multiple hats” to earn your paycheck for you.
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There’s is nothing worse in job hunting than dealing with companies with this mentality/culture.
Degrade yourself while we give you the runaround or you don’t get the job! Fuck you. Hell is not enough, I cast the Locust Plague upon ye 🦗🦗🦗
I recently wrapped up two lengthy interview processes (2 months for each).
Both companies were aware I was in multiple interview loops
One company was super transparent about the process, where I currently was in the process, all sorts of updates and notifications of delays etc. This loop took a long time since it was for a senior level position on a foundational team & product for the company.
The other company was playing it fast & loose. Lack of updates of where I am in the loop. Outside of the first meet & greet where I used a tool to find time on the interviewers schedule, I was chasing people to find out when the next interview step would be. After what I thought was the last “vibe check” interview with their CFO, I was told I’d hear from their HR shortly. It took 10 days and two check-in emails before I finally heard from HR and scheduled a meeting, which turned out to be more interviewing. I’ve yet to hear back from them, and I fully expect that they want me to chase them.
Needless to say, when the first company presented me with an offer that had everything in it I was asking for with a nice little cherry on top, I accepted the offer with very few questions or hesitation.
Treat me and my time with respect just as I will treat you and your time with respect. I have skills you need to deliver products & services and you have means of generating income from the combination of my skills and my peers to grant me an income. If you don’t treat me & my time with respect, I’ll go elsewhere, or even decide to become a competitor.
