If my choice was between that and the doctor who said “I’ve got this handgun, it’s the best handgun, nobody kills more patients than me”…
Dr. Trump: “To be completely honest with you, I’m really lucky to have this operation. The board was about to submit judgement with serious repercussions to my personal life, but I managed to get in here just in time to dodge all responsibility. Anyways, I don’t actually believe in medicine so I’m gonna let my Office of Management and Budget handle the situation from here.”
Russ Vought: “First of all, every nurse is fired. The Anesthesiologist, too.”
That’s not the point at hand though. You are just making yourself feel better about the shitty candidate that can probably lose anyways because you will have felt safe in your heart that yours was less terrible.
Pathetic, apathetic, and lazy.
The Democrats are digging their own electoral grave. It’s okay to preach about voting Biden on Lemmy, but it won’t count for anything when masses of real world voters decline to vote for him on account of the constant self-harming of the dems.
A half decent candidate would tank Trump.
A half decent candidate would tank Trump.
I heard this excuse in 2016 with Hilary.
Hillary didn’t rise to that level.
Hilary sucked. she just expected to win, like it was her turn. fuck that, bring something to the table instead of just a name. trump won because it was a show for him and idiots ate it up. Hilary played her “better than thou” card and got wrecked.
Ok, Trumptard. Guaranteed you didn’t listen to a single thing Clinton said in the entire campaign and just listened to “ME TRUMP BEST NUMBER ONE VOTE ME” and you’re now cosplaying as a “Trump followers are idiots” person.
nah, Hilary was pretty shit candidate. trump was worse, a much shittier person over all, but I’m only one vote. she lost what should have been a free pass with her shit attitude and looking down on everyone.
but I appreciate your input! 🙂
Trump was and is a worse person. Clinton was a worse candidate.
Too late to change the system now if you play the voting game. Elect Biden and the rest of the Democrats who will NOT turn the USA into a fascist state in the next four years, THEN start enacting real change to put a genuine Left candidate in that will actually push this country forward when they’re elected in four years.
If you want to play the voting game, that’s how you play. The only other alternative is revolution and enable the “alter or abolish” option right the fuck now.
Make your choice of those two things. The “lol, I won’t vote” or “gonna vote Trump anyway” “option” is just alt-right Trumpery disguised as being concerned about a second Biden presidency for any reason.
You are the kind of Northern racists that MLK Jr dealt with that would say “time will fix this” and that those looking for equality needed to just quiet down and not be a bother.
Now, is always better than later. Change must happen even if you feel it inconveniences you and that order is more important than justice. You have no idea what the future holds but we have now.
Some of us are trying to seize a moment to actually make this country worth living in. And it doesn’t involve voting for Trump like your brand of idiots think is the only option. If you are so comfortable that it doesn’t matter to you then get out of the way.
libs in this thread: “It’s completely fine that best reason to vote for our candidate is that they aren’t the other guy, this strategy definitely worked in 2016”. At this point I’m at least glad the liberal genocide apologists won’t be celebrating in november, gotta find a bright side somewhere.
Ah yes, that old chestnut. ‘Yeah sure this other guy would probably genocide harder but he didn’t (because he wasn’t president) so we should suppress the vote for the old genocide dude to help the other old genocide dude who also hates that autonomy (bodily, electoral, legal) exists at all’. Very sensible, enlightened centrist, let’s gooooo.
“We should teach the democrats that they can full throatedly support a genocide while abandoning the left of the party and still win reelection” Great long term strategy there chief.
And I would think biden being a horrible candidate is doing a hell of a lot more to suppress the vote than posts on lemmy.
biden being a horrible candidate is doing a hell of a lot more to suppress the vote
It is, yeah.
Great long term strategy there chief.
With Trump’s new King powers, I don’t think we get another chance.
Um.
Update your passports, people. Just in case.
What a shit take that doesn’t equate
How did you take Biden saying he’d only step aside if the Lord Almighty came down, and that when confronted with being behind in multiple polls by 7 points that he’s fine if he loses as long as he tried his best?
It’s a dumb take because it doesn’t make any sense. I mean you’re talking about a position where the person can (and has multiple times) literally die on the job and someone will just step in and pick up where they left off. This example makes it seem like if the president dies or even just loses the presidential race then so does every person in the country or something lol.
I get the spirit of what they’re trying to say and even lrgely agree with it but it’s just a super bad analogy.
Depends… is your other option not a doctor at all, and he hates you, and has openly stated that he hopes you die in the procedure? Those are you current two choices, America. Go with the sleepy one.
It’s not “either Biden or Trump”, just have the Democrats present Kamala or Buttigieg or whoever. Polls already point as alternatives to Biden as more likely to beat Trump, and chances are that Biden keeps screwing it up during the following months.
STFU. You are either an idiot or a Trumper.
The time to talk about alternative leadership was two years ago.
This argument clearly only helps the MAGA movement right now. Which means you are either a total fucking idiot, or a fascist pretending to be a Democrat. (I guess you are a fucking idiot either way).
Hey, of the DNC pulls the trigger and runs Kamala or Bootygreg or some other younger Dem…well, I am voting AGAINST P2025, so I don’t care…but I am not voting third party and spoiling the vote because “old man old”…his crew is competent and doing good things. Shitz have him take Kami or Bootyjudge as VP and just bow out after the race…again don’t care.
I’m not saying “Don’t vote Democrat if their candidate is Biden”, I’m saying “there’s a fuckton of low-information voters who are unlikely to vote for a guy who clearly displays Biden’s health issues”.
Especially when there are people like you making these arguments.
Hmm, makes you think…
Blaming the smoke detector beeping for causing the fire.
“there’s a fuckton of low-information voters who are unlikely to vote for a guy who clearly displays Biden’s health issues”.
There’s a lot of people who complain but know the reality of the situation and will vote according but low info voters are another issue altogether. People on here don’t realize that.
There’s a lot of people out there who don’t pay nearly the same amount of attention to the news as the people on lemmy do. You have to work around these groups. This is why being likeable is important. These people lack most of the information, many of them don’t even care. You can’t just sit there and scream at them how they’re ruining their own lives. That doesn’t work.
At some point I’m going to assume that half of Lemmy users are solipsists.
I think its pronounced socialist
It also completely ignores the fact that the sleepy doctor has had a nearly perfect record at the operation. It’s only the other guy that poses any threat.
The guy that helped set up for profit prisons, and made it so youth would be fucked over by non forgiveable loans, and helped setup tax evasion for massive corporations, and actually helped create the framework for dismantling roe v wade saying it went to far, and supported the Iraq war, and supports imperialism, and now can barely talk or respond coherently… Has “a nearly perfect record” ???
Sure.
As far as centrists are concerned, that’s a stellar record.
What’s the point of private American Health Care if I can’t choose my doctor?
Making corporations money, duh.
It’s not like you can pick your doctor either, have to be in network, etc, etc, unless you’re rich enough to afford possibly millions in medical bills
Not mentioning with how hospitals are run now there IS only one doctor per specialty covering 3 county hospitals.
Meanwhile the other doctor is openly stating he won’t even try to save you if you aren’t rich/white
Got bad news for you bout most doctors.
I don’t give a shit how demented biden gets. fucking Regan showed that you won’t even notice if the support staff step up.
So if the support staff will do everything, why Biden?
Like would you feel comfortable seeing your pilot pound a fifth of whiskey and then snort a couple.lines of coke before walking on the plane?
You do have a co-pilot there anyways…
Like, why not ask for a competent president in addition to the staff?
Especially when half the plane is insisting Jesus will take the wheel and we don’t need pilots and there’s a vote coming?
I don’t trust the support staff the other guy is going to pick.
But it’s not just Biden or trump…
We’re talking about replacing Biden with someone that’s more likely to win the election.
Like, if we run Biden and the polls are right, you know that means trump picks the staff…
Right?
someone that’s more likely to win the election.
Who would that be though?
Literally any Dem not named Hilary Clinton…
I used to include Kamala, but honestly I think she’ll do well enough to beat trump. Her biggest criticism is being a prosecutor, but she’s up against trump, she knows how to handle criminals
It’s not even about who I want to be president. I sure as shit don’t want Kamala. I just want trump less.
If I thought sticking my head in the sand would help beat Trump I would.
I feel better about him than the guy who wants to fly the plane into a skyscraper and who gets to pick a support staff that might help him do that. The airline has terrible staffing policies, but I don’t really get to change them in the 30 minutes before the plane takes off.
You do know you’re in a thread about Biden stepping aside, right?
And the question was:
Why Biden instead of any other Dem
And I’m just getting responses about how Biden is better than trump.
Literally nobody here is disagreeing with that.
You’re just making the case that not even Biden supporters can explain why they think he has to be the nominee. At least not a reason that’s not easily disproven.
The reason is I don’t get to pick who the nominee is at this point.
You do realize Biden has a staff of over 120 people with roles that include trying to control narratives on social media. I think some of these people are legitimate but I can’t help but think some of them are AI bots or staffers working for Biden trying to manipulate the conversations and discussions.
Biden is toast. The sooner Democrats, bots and staff members realize that the quicker we can energize the party with a different candidate that people actually like and that can engage in unscripted questions and policy discussions while speaking from the heart.
If this was twitter, reddit, or Facebook maybe. Especially if they werent always down voted.
But the chances of that happening on Lemmy is almost zero. It’s just a shit return of investment due to the small userbase and engagement.
It’s honestly what I like best about Lemmy.
Lemmy is where people with actual ideas go. Those capable of thinking outside the box. Government usually tries to stay on top of progressive technology because it is where change is actually happening. Twitter, Reddit, etc. is just a bunch of bots competing with other bots.
You missed the part where I said I don’t give a shit.
Man wtf else is he supposed to do? Stage a coup? Refuse to leave office? You can pretend to care all you want, but you are very transparent.
That’s what I’m thinking. Do people really want him to act just like the opposition? How is that any better? I’d rather him lose with dignity then pull stupid stunts like that. To be fair I would rather him not lose at all though. I think people are freaking out a bit too much about meaningless polls. I guess we’ll see when the time comes.
What that should tell you is that Biden and anyone else that approved him saying that doesn’t believe the Democrat “vote for us or you’ll never vote again”/“end of democracy” style marketing.
At this point i feels like it’s all republican trying to do a psyop telling people not to vote.
Correct.
But also the snowflakes that avoid tarnishing their pure souls by avoiding difficult choices altogether. They don’t care if america falls to facism, as long as they can brag about being morally better than you.
Thankfully, normal people still outnumber them.
Yeah, its sad. They’ll abstain because of righteous indignation, then act horrified when their lack of action has consequences.
They need to vote, however.
Oh yes, I’m never going to discourage voting, because that’s dumb and only benefits one side.
Why can’t we just express our disgust with the situation we’re in without being called a psyop? I’m going to vote for Biden. I’m still pissed that this is where we’re at. People were saying he was too old in the primaries before the last election and the Dems still shoved him down our throats and they’re going to do it again. It’s fucking bullshit. At the very least we need a candidate that’s young enough that they’re going to have to live with the consequences of their decsisions
It doesn’t matter if you literally preface every comment you make with “I AM VOTING BLUE NO MATTER WHO” with these people, every criticism is a psyop to get people to not vote.
You’d think having a candidate that polls like shit would be what makes people not vote for him. But no, it’s actually the fault of the people pointing out he is a bad candidate and that perhaps we should run someone who doesn’t repeatedly shout that “we beat Medicare” in the middle of a fucking debate.
The Democratic establishment fucking loves Trump, the specter of him is a permanent fundraiser and no matter who they trot out or how weak a candidate they are they don’t have to change anything, because the alternative is literally fascism.
These are people that blame the fire alarm going off for starting the fire.
I’m going to vote for Biden.
Then save the issues until we’re sure we still have democracy.
Damn. I thought cultish thought-stopping was something we didn’t really have very far left of (what the U.S. calls) center. Would you like to see Democrats comparing Biden to Jesus like the MAGA crowd does Trump? The day the Democratic party becomes just as much of a cult as the Republican party is the day we have two literally fascist parties to choose between rather than a fascist party and still-a-major-win-for-the-fascists-but-at-least-not-quite-as-bad party.
Unless something completely unexpected (like a third party candidate actually having a chance of winning) happens between now and November, I’m voting blue no matter who in the general election. I think everyone else in the U.S. should as well, and I’ll tell them that. But nobody is served by liberals (and lefties) deluding themselves into thinking our choice is between anything other than two unequal evils.
What’s your reasoning here? Are you hoping that if you and I lie and say Biden’s going to fix everything, it’ll get more people to vote blue than if we tell them to vote for the lesser evil (which, to be clear, is the candidate with the D next to their name)? Because I really think the case could be made that the opposite is true. Or do you really think Biden is a perfect, infallable candidate?
That happened already
No, you motherfuckers have been telling me to keep my opinions to myself since the last election and I’m sick of it. If he can’t get enough votes to win that’s on the Dems for running him in the first place. Fuck you and fuck them. It’s long past time to stop blaming the fucking republicans for the mess we’re in and actually push back. Maybe if he actually used that power the supreme court just handed him my opinion would change but he’s already admitted he’s too much of a pussy to do anything with it.
Wait until it’s not election year so they can ignore you easier
Stop making such a big deal about civil rights, we want to help but you should do it right
Why would I want to side with climate activists when all they do is block traffic and make my day worse?
MLK Jr was right. The worst people are the ones who are comfortable where they are and want to stop any change they see happening because it might inconvenience their idea of reality. They’ll let the actual enemy win just to make sure they don’t have to hear how they are involved in their own downfall.
You’re describing conservatives. Get on the Dem train if you’re being. Honest with yourself.
Yeah I’m describing white liberals which mostly call themselves Democrats without reaching to their larger voting base of the actual working class.
It’s gone. You ain’t had that in years. The reichstag already happened, yall just catching on 20 years late cause the mask is now longer necessary.
Or maybe we are just panicking at the person we can literally tell us unliked by other voters when even the people who will begrudgingly hold our nose at the vote are starting to get disgusted by the smell.
Seriously how hard is it to to not pretend people aren’t struggling swallowing it down and the people ringing alarm bells are just that and not some special person trying to influence others but just don’t want to hit the iceberg because it seemed like it would cost less fuel to just try ramming it and hoping we get lucky.
Fuck me. This is gonna be one of those parts of textbooks where it says infighting led to the party not moving fast enough to face the threat and whichever side makes it out the other side scapegoats the other as being the reason it got so bad.
Always has been.
Has been that for months.
Always has been.
Conservatism is the minority in America, and rarely wins through above average voter turnout, which is why they do everything in their power to gerrymander and disenfranchise voters.
RepublicanKremlin. Pretty fucked that Lemmy swallows it hook, line, and sinker.
So much “but trump worst!!” in this thread, oof. Vote for the Biden administration if that’s your only choice, fine. But stop pretending that Biden himself is voteworthy - he’s not, and is hardly capable of functioning normally for 6 hours out of the day at this point. Anyone paying attention for the past year who is engaging in honest good faith, should be able to attest to that.
It would be much better for Biden to step down while there’s still time, if you’re really so terrified of Trump and want to ensure a Republican defeat come November. Those who are pushing for Biden himself to stay in are the real threat to democracy.
Come on Dems, how many times do you have to be taught the lesson of Feinstein and RBG?! For that matter, why are you so insistent on politicians literally working into the grave? It’s a grotesque level of elder abuse, what’s being done to Biden right now. You all should be ashamed.
This happens probably because of ppl who actually decide are mostly old rich ppl.
Great, so make your argument heard two years ago and not a few months before the election.
Otherwise, your arguments/debate is just supporting the no vote agenda that is being astro turfed by the right. Which means you are probably a subversive.
Yeah, about that…as others pointed out, this sentiment isn’t new, it’s just finally breaking through to establishment dems and those in the corporate media because it’s become impossible to deny any longer.
Personally, I’ve maintained that Biden isn’t well qualified since he got picked as Obama’s VP to appeal to closeted racists. I certainly campaigned hard against him in 2020 when he crawled out of his cave to steal the nomination from Bernie for the 2nd election in a row, for many reasons which happened to include risks from his extremely advanced age and ailing mental faculties. And now here we are, undeniable for all to see, when it actually matters and we need a strong candidate to defeat a fascist uprising in the US we have Biden, one of the only Dem contenders capable of losing to Trump.
Here is something for you to consider - a candidate, especially an incumbent, should be able to earn votes by exhibiting a strong and successful record of leadership accomplishments and capabilities. They don’t deserve votes by virtue of party membership - they have to earn it. Perhaps those who choose not to vote simply haven’t been convinced Biden deserves it. You don’t get to blame and shame voters in this situation. The only one deserving of blame here is Biden himself, for putting his ego above the best interests of the nation.
I took me a while to come back and find this reply.
I want to say that I am glad that there were people like you that stuck to your guns. I have hope again.
I was wrong and I am really glad that I was.
Cheers to you.
(Now I have a bunch of other people I need to find and say the same thing to.)
Hey, thanks for taking the time to return here with this response. Massive respect to you for doing so. I trust we’re both enjoying the fresh wave of momentum resulting from the turn of events, and am excited to join you on Nov 5 to vote =] cheers!
We’ve been making this argument for the last 3+ years, my dude.
No one who is saying all of this now was silent the last few years. I’ve personally been donating to, campaigning for, and bolstering the messaging of non-Mainstream-Dem candidates since I became disillusioned with Obama in my mid 20s. It’s not our fault y’all have been fucking ignoring us.
It’s like they completely ignore the fact that they have been completely ignoring us for 4 years and it’s just everyone else that’s wrong and if they shout a little louder everyone else will just finally do what they say.
It won’t work. They are the kind of people who got in the way of civil rights and left movements in fascist countries all over the world.
They won’t even be able to comprehend how they caused their own pain and go down blaming others that they never had a chance to control anyways.
I took me a while to come back and find this reply.
I want to say that I am glad that there were people like you that stuck to your guns. I have hope again.
I was wrong and I am really glad that I was.
Cheers to you.
(Now I have a bunch of other people I need to find and say the same thing to.)
Yeah I’m glad we didn’t shut up. But also that it worked.
And thanks for coming back.
I took me a while to come back and find this reply.
I want to say that I am glad that there were people like you that stuck to your guns. I have hope again.
I was wrong and I am really glad that I was.
Cheers to you.
(Now I have a bunch of other people I need to find and say the same thing to.)
We’ve been saying this shit since 2020. Those complaints just haven’t really been acknowledged by democrats until recently when they started running out of ways to plausibly deny it. They quelled it in 2020 by implying he would be only a 1 term president and, using the same existential threats as they’re relying on now, they barely eeked out a win that mostly came down to historic voter turn out.
Now, 4 years later, him being 800 years old is just the cherry on top. After a strategy that seems to have been just keeping him out of the spotlight, he and his PR team have been completely unable to effectively communicate what his administration has actually accomplished, and lets not forget about Palestine; it hasn’t even been a year since all hell broke loose on that issue and Biden’s handling of it has been wishy-washy at best, but whatever it doesn’t matter because the other guy is worse and uh-oh, we didn’t have a real primary to decide if there’s someone better out there. Too bad! Don’t care, didn’t ask.
Enough with this astroturfing shit, this is all plain to see for anyone paying attention. Biden staying in the race is actively hurting the chances of a democrat win, AND democrats down-ballot, and it’s nobody’s fault but the people that insist on him running against all possible voter indications that they won’t vote for him, just as it was with Hilary in 2016. They expected everything to fix itself and everyone to fall in line just like in 2020 because Trump is worse and now they’re shitting themselves because after their loss in 2016 and not nearly as much energy now as in 2020, they (or their donors) are starting to realize that voters might not be bluffing.
I say keep shitting on Biden, because it’s the only thing that seems to be getting democrats to slowly realize that unless they offer someone to voters that can win on their own merits against a competent opponent, they could actually lose to Trump. Again. Fucking embarrassing.
I took me a while to come back and find this reply.
I want to say that I am glad that there were people like you that stuck to your guns. I have hope again.
I was wrong and I am really glad that I was.
Cheers to you.
(Now I have a bunch of other people I need to find and say the same thing to.)
I don’t get to see Biden for 6hrs out of the day like you seem to…I don’t care who runs. I’ll vote against P2025…run who you want, the DNC are knobs, but they make the call that our stupid FPTP system allows.
Yes, as I said vote for the admin if you must, which seems to be the choice forced upon us.
As for Biden, one of the excuses his own team trodded out for his demonstrably ailing performance is that he is only “on” between the hours of 10-4 each day. That is unacceptable for POTUS.
America deserves what it elects.
May the odds ever be in your favor.
People don’t want to think and want to just assume everything will be fine. They have the right idea and everyone else is wrong and as soon as they can get everyone else to agree to that it will all be better.
This is why the Democrats will lose. If he’s got a lab coat on he must be a doctor and must be competent because he is a doctor. Getting a new one would just be too complicated.
This is why it’s so easy to lie to people. They want to be lied to. They will even do it to themselves.
Biden is not a good choice but it’s an easy one that requires no internal pushback just have to fix everyone else’s thoughts on him.
Yeah good luck.
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