I’m concerned but I don’t know what I can do about that other than make sure my whole family is vaccinated.
That’s all you can do, really. Should give you a bit of satisfaction, too, knowing you did something incredibly simple that could prevent a ton of hardship.
This will make you see red. My nephew cannot get vaccinated for legitimate health reasons. His parents were always pro-vax until it came time for the Covid vaccine. Then they became all “mRNA is a new technology, we don’t have enough research.” We basically stopped talking to them after my husband yelled at his brother (nephew’s dad) that he is risking killing his own son if he gets Covid. So fucking stupid. Yes, they are conservative although they claim not to support Trump.
We also have a chronic disposition toward optimism. You know “the American dream” and all that.
So a disease with a 10% mortality rate has a 90% survival rate. And 90% is bigger than 50%, so when you factor in chronic optimism it’s basically a 100% survival rate in our brains.
Because we hate our lives and want to die.
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They hate their fellow man more than they love life and its not just Americans
They don’t even love life. They want to die.
The USAmerican death drive is real. Not unique, but more prevalent than in any other country. It’s all just a suicide-murder pact.
Christ man, we’re screaming about it and have been for decades. Nobody will listen.
If you’re referring to the gains in the anti vax movment
It’s the same reason why a large portion of Americans are anti environment.
It got politicized and instead of using critical thinking one side wants to win and thinks the other is lying to them about everything
Our educations system has been in decline for the last 20 years. Instead foreign money has combine with private interests to blast us with complete made up bullshit propaganda 24/7. Almost all of our major news sources are now owned or operated by MAGA donors, who care more about money than public well being. Basically, half this country is now too stupid to determine if the information they’re viewing is corporate propaganda, or foreign government propaganda. Both are exploitative, and both want Americans sick because it’s profitable to them. So despite having a president that publicly threw out our pandemic response killing more Americans than in all the wars we’ve ever faught in combined - 4 years later we reelected him. That’s how bad the propaganda is here. Combined with poor education, we can no longer agree on how basic cause and effect works.
TL:DR - We’re now too stupid and hopped up on propaganda to understand how preventing diseases works.
Lack of education?
Because “totally preventable” is financially unaffordable for most of us. My insurance won’t help pay for vaccines unless I get them done during a PCP appointment, but those are scheduled months in advance. I normally go to my local pharmacy and pay $20 for a flu shot, but covid vaccines are like $100-300 without insurance.
I’ve had gastro problems for a few years now, but because insurance and bureaucracy, I JUST got a scope done yesterday and they found a bunch of ulcers in my intestines that I’ve just been living with, untreated, because there’s no option to speed things up without money. It COULD have been caught years ago, but getting prompt medical care is too bougie for me.
I know your pain. Well, no, but I know a similar pain. Years of getting root canals at the dental school. Years and years of untreated adhd lending to my poor impulse control which would get me in even more trouble. It wasn’t until I became profitable to society that society would invest back into me. Great society you have there. Really.
They want us to be poor and sick so we’re easier to control.
The leading cause of death is not viral infection, it’s heart disease. And heart disease is 100% preventable through diet that is cheaper than the SAD. There are more examples. Just go down the leading causes of death of Americans, they are largely preventable.
And heart disease is 100% preventable through diet that is cheaper than the SAD.
I need a source on congenital heart disease not existing.
Lol got me. I am of course referring to atherosclerosis, which is on its own the leading cause of death of Americans. Now what?
I just did a quick search, maybe you have a better source I can refer to?
Edit: Specifically for the 100% claim, not saying diet doesn’t help.
Note that says reverse, not prevent. This means that if you are on the verge of a heart attack, you may wish to consider additional interventions. CVD takes years of bad behaviour.
Atherosclerosis is acquired from diet. There is no other way to get it. The components of diet that lead to atherosclerosis are entirely avoidable. They are not just non-essential, they are harmful.
I have a resource I can check for a source, but I don’t think you’re fully acting in good faith. You keep trying to deny the premise rather than actually engaging with it. Like I’m trying to pull one over on you or something. Or, like 99% of other Americans, you are desperately trying to avoid processing the truth of the matter.
I get that you are skeptical. I also see that you are not informed. So maybe just take a minute and consider, what if it’s true? What would that discussion look like?
(Here is a collection of links to research showing that CVD is both preventable and largely reversible: https://pmri.org/research/heart-disease)
I just have trust problems whenever somebody says a medical condition is 100% one thing and nothing else could ever cause or cure it. I’ve had too many doctors tell me that my GI problems are just anxiety and couldn’t possibly be a real thing. I’ve had doctors tell me that my GI problems are actually an eating disorder and I need more antidepressants. I’ve had doctors tell me that I should be happy about my GI problems because a lot of people struggle with losing weight.
So yeah, diet is a tricky subject for me right now, because all I want to do is eat a normal meal, and the main response I’ve gotten has been “have you tried eating normal meals?”
For a disease to be prevented from spreading, you need a certain percentage of people to be immune. It’s different from disease to disease and also depends on the vaccine itself. Some diseases like Covid can still be spread to people who are vaccinated (though obviously the worst of the symptoms are mitigated).
For the sake of example, let’s say you need 90% immunity for a disease to not spread. Maybe 5% of the population cannot be vaccinated due to immune conditions, being too young, etc. That gives 5% of wiggle room.
Then there are acolytes of the fraudster, Andrew Wakefield, who faked data to get a flashy headline to get published in a prestigious journal. That includes RFK jr., Jenny Mccarthy, mayim bialik, etc. Clinging to their views for so long makes them unable to change them even if you show them proof that they are wrong. That might be another 1% of people.
There are a very small percentage of people who shun vaccines for lets say “true” religious reasons. Most of the people who try to claim religious reasoning for refusing vaccines are members of religions that are completely fine with vaccines. They are usually just really stupid people who are scared of needles and/or don’t think it’s that big of a deal with modern medicine. That’s probably another 1% of people.
Then there are people that are homeless or otherwise outside of the system. Vaccines are one of the most cost effective methods to improve health of a country, so despite the nightmare that is our healthcare system, you typically should never have to pay for a vaccine. It may be a bit more work than someone who is homeless and/or has substance abuse or mental health problems can prioritize. That might be another 1%.
All together, that would put us at 92%, above the threshold for a widespread epidemic, but all of those categories of people who don’t get vaccinated tend to be in communities, and so we can have outbreaks in those communities.
I mean anti-vaxxers believe vaccines to be essentially poisen, hence why they are opposed to them. They believe there are other remedies to cure diseases.
So to answer your question, yes they are worried but woefully misinformed.
In a way, they’re right that there’s an alternative. But the alternative is death, and most sane people wouldn’t prefer that.
If you think there are no anti-vaxxers in your country, you’ve got another thing coming.
Many of the anti-vax groups at the center of outbreaks are members of religious minorities. Mena ites, Amish, and Hasidic Jews. The reason it’s become more of a problem is that some upper middle class families have joined in and created more unvaccinated pockets in communities in the last decade.
For decades the conservative movement in the US has fostered a distrust in government and it has permeated just about everything.
We’re actively disinformed. That’s why.
As an example of the deeply ingrained disinformation and brainwashing, see a comment I made today, regarding Liberals continuously blaming progressives for Trumps win — without evidence — instead of the ~100 million adults who refuse to vote (aka. the 100 million adults Liberals failed to motivate), or the ~80 million voters who support fascism.
War is peace! Freedom is slavery! The political class, bought and paid for by SPY, will save us from fascism!
It’s all very culty with partisan people of both stripes.
Honestly, I just block the people who keep repeating that kinds of BS. They aren’t worth my mental energy.
Does that mean I miss out on a bunch of discussions on .world? yes, but not wasting my mental energy on bad-faith arguments is worth it.
I think many of us don’t realize that there’s a better option. As in, this is just the way it is. Many who do learn there are alternatives then fall to propaganda about how the alternatives are worse or communist, etc.
What is there to live for? Collective pain and misery. Be a mensch and let go.
Because we also die from totally preventable school shootings too.
Sad thing is that I don’t think gun restrictions would work cos criminals get their guns unlawfully
Probably something like 99.9% of guns or more are legal guns when they’re manufactured. If there were fewer legal guns produced and out there, there’d be fewer illegal guns for criminals, would-be or otherwise, to get their hands on.
Yes, it’s a slow fix though
You can’t make concentrated firearms to smuggle into a country. They’re bulky, expensive and made from metal. They’re not heroin. Also, most of those illegal guns were legally purchased in another US state with looser laws, not smuggled in from another country.
Yep, they purchase them unlawfully because legislation isn’t a quick fix.
They purchase them from straw purchasers who get away with it because of lax laws in some states. Most states with stricter gun laws, the guns on the streets come from states with lax gun laws. If there were no states with lax laws there would be less of those guns on the streets.
It’s sadly not as simple as that when there’s already a lot of guns in the country. Realistically that can’t be changed in the current system. What would help in the immediate future is PSAs, training for professionals, risk assessments etc that can identify perpetrators. It’s not massively expensive and can be implemented in the existing system.
Which other countries with stricter gun restrictions than the US regularly have school shootings?
Yes, I agree publicised school shootings are generally in the US. Did any of the other countries go from firearms being lawful to unlawful over the last few decades? The US has a huge amount already there, and that’s a significant difference.
Australia did it in 1996 and has only had one mass shooting since then in 2018
I don’t feel countries can be compared like that. School shootings are often carried out by juveniles who can’t lawfully get a gun. They’re committing mass murder showing they’re not law abiding. Realistically there’s so many guns in America that even making guns illegal wouldn’t prevent guns in the country.
Instead there’s other things that could help, such as training professionals to identify perpetrators and warning signs they’re going to attack. PSAs could be done so people can ID people around them.
Sure, the shootings won’t stop the day legislation changes. But it prevents more guns from entering the US, making it more difficult to get one, even illegally.
I get that some people in the states need guns. Some communities have a real danger from bears etc. But those people can get a license to own a gun, the way it works in most countries.
Yes hopefully it would. It’s a slow drawn out process though, and america isn’t an island. It’s not a fix
Its not a fix, but a start in the right direction.
Yep, given the reality of how many firearms there are already, and the resources it would take to remove them… I think we should focus on other things.
^OP, here’s the answer to your question
(Intellectual laziness and uncritical acceptance of propaganda).
School shootings are often carried out by juveniles who can’t lawfully get a gun.
Cut this crap, this isn’t reddit. Most kids them get the guns from a relative or friend who obtained it legally and adequate storage laws reduce both suicides and homicides in kids. BTW, guns kill more kids now than cancer or car accidents, but only in the US. Your take is the best example of americans being unconcerned about preventable deaths.
Please let me reassure you, thats inaccurate. I do voluntary work in DA, work in the supportive sector and have personally funded related uni courses (DA being linked to crime perpetration, incels, firearm misuse etc). I’ve done considerable research into academic articles on lone actor grievance fuelled violence. I do far more than the average person does, I just have a different perspective… partly due to the academic research I’ve read.
Please let me reassure you, thats inaccurate…
What’s inaccurate? I made like 5 statements.
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Guns kill more school-aged kids than motor vehicle accidents and cancer (i had to recreate the stats from the CDC wonder database myself excluding anybody over 18 because schmucks kept on complaining about the NEJM article including 19-year-olds, which apparently invalidated the data, except that it didn’t)
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Gun suicides are mostly committed using firearms from friends and relatives.
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If you look at UK’s homicide stats and the US’s (BJS) homicide stats you can tell that actually the homicide rate difference is driven by firearms.
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It’s a fact that it is much harder to kill someone including oneself without a gun.
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States that have gun storage laws have lower firearm mortality in kids.
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Blablabla on your trust me because I did some research. I’m in academia and published half a dozen (non-gun) epidemiology papers to date as a side hustle so I do know how to use the CDC databases. I’ve been forced to dive into the gun violence data because I’m really fed up with all the disinformation.
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What I have seen no supportive evidence for to date is “that training professionals to identify perpetrators” (“hardening schools?”) has any effect on school shootings.
-Now let’s see your papers.
I’m referring to the personal remarks you made about me, they were inaccurate. Do you retract them?
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It works in every other country.
Is there another country that illegalised guns when there were already a massive amount in the country? I’m unaware of one but happy to be enlightened if there is.
Buyback programs tend to work, because they’re “no questions asked” and illegal guns still get bought and taken off the street. Australia did one that was very effective, though they’re cheating since it’s an island.
But one thing you have to remember is the US is the largest source of illegal guns in the world, because it makes them legally and they get smuggled. 40% of guns used in crimes come from just four manufacturers.
If the US stopped making so many fucking guns it would actually make the whole world safer. Especially Mexico! Trafficked guns are the main source of the cartel’s armory.
It’s a fair point on ceasing manufacturing, I agree that would help with preventing incidents for future generations.
