OK Donnie
Yeah I mean… ok. Let’s just go up to 100% both ways. FAFO, Salting the Earth edition. Canada will still trade with Europe and Mexico.
God I’m exhausted.
At this point, we just need to cut it all off completely. Oil shipments, electricity, lumber, aluminum. All of it.
I know that that’s a hard ask for those industries that are affected, and if it means the federal goverment has to temporarily raise the deficit in order to subsidize those industries it’ll be crazy expensive and inflation will shoot up. But I’m convinced that that would be only a short amount of time that that would actually be needed.
Let the United States go one week without our stuff. 100%…fuck 'em. They’ll last one week. Maybe two. And when they quit their bullshit, make it clear that we are diversifying our business partners making it easier to pull it from them again anytime they let Trump open is fucking mouth.
Hold our resources hostage against them.
Who gives a damn about the deficit. When did that ever really matter?
I mean, if we play all our cards at once, we have no cards left for the next thing, and they also might raise enough political will in the process to invade for real.
It should be and I think is all on the table, though, and I have no problem with it if they want to escalate, because we also need to raise political will to sever our ties for good.
we have no cards left for the next thing,
That’s the game, he’s bleeding you for cards.
If he’s going to attack you, he’ll bleed you first. There is no appeasing him permanently.
We have a deep deck (which is part of why playing the whole thing at once would be kinda nutty). Like every day someone mentions a new way to screw with them I hadn’t thought of. Cutting off power, cutting off water, taking their stuff and not paying, ignoring their intellectual property, cutting off Alaska…
Nobody is talking appeasement anymore, even Danielle Smith is getting muted about it. The question is how to help Trump ruin himself the best, politically and economically.
Economical MAD is not the answer here. It’s a very complex subject that is difficult to solve.
It’s a very complex subject that is difficult to solve
In a sane world, I agree with you. But we’re dealing with a man who himself doesn’t realise its complexity and only understands strategies that are “blunt and absurd”.
We can use as nuanced and soft-toed strategies all we want and he’ll never get it through his orange head.
Yes, we’re dealing with a madman. You’re suggesting we act just like him. No, harming more people voluntarily is not the answer.
(bot canadian, or american; take that as you will)
not acting like him: acting in retaliation with measures that hurt the US more than canada… things like IP and copyright protections, digital services, etc
his blanket measures don’t take into account trade that’s largely beneficial to US companies - they’re stupid blunt instrument crap because thought is too hard… trump hurt himself in his confusion
retaliating in precise ways can extract value from the US without harming the canadian economy nearly as much
As I saw someone link yesterday, John Bolton (noted warmongering piece of shit) said he was in the room during Trump round one when people were trying to explain tariffs to him. Bolton says he was unable to comprehend.
absolutely… and in those hands they can still be a damaging weapon, but they’ll never be as powerful as someone who knows how to wield them correctly. brains can win, or at least provide a formidable fight… but no matter what, both sides will feel pain
The destruction is mutual, but not assured and total (total just didn’t make it into the acronym). Nuclear war isn’t a good analogy.
Basically, do we want to continue relying on the US, or not? Not doing so has a cost, but we might not have a choice. Canada can survive without the US, if in a slightly poorer form.
I worry that Canada will not be able to export efficiently due to lack of port infrastructure, especially on the Pacific Coast. Massive industrial ports are expensive and take years to bring online.
Yes, me too. It’s really hard to find information on how much extra capacity there is, although I’ve seen indications it’s not zero.
Y’know, if you’re willing to make a few small concessions on who is ultimately in control of your country, I know this great authoritarian dictatorship that’s been investing in new port infrastructure projects all around the world.
Canada still has decent friends to trade and work with. Can’t say the same for the Fascist States.
It’s not Mutually Assured Destruction though. It’s not even retaliatory. If Canada were to immediately stop all exports to the US and pivot to an EU/China based economy the fallout would disproportionately affect the US. The key to this is that Canada is the smaller and more insular trading partner.
Since he’s such a steaming pile of shit, he will likely use any escalation as a pretext for military action.
Looks like the Governor of the 47th Oblast is throwing another hissy fit.
100%…hmmm. Yeah 200%!
This meme has never been more true. No other words needed.
I feel like it’s a miss without words - the most obvious interpretation would be that Trump and Trudeau are equivalent and that’s just false here - if you were intending that Trump is pointing at himself then that works but there are mirror memes that’d probably fit a bit better.
No matterhpw ypu look at it, it’s the same. Trump on Trump or Trump on Trudeau.
Don’t get it twisted, Trump is on a different level. However, Trudeau and U.S. Democrats being bad at governoring lead to extreme right-wing politics.
- Poor regulation on the housing markets
- Foreign interference harming the people
- Stagnant wages
- Relax regulation on the ultra wealthy
- No consequences on corruption
- Accountablilty on police/official abuse
- Little/under investment in public services
Shit, We can be here all day.
77,302,5802 U.S. Americans are not all racist. A lot of them got tired of being fucked nonstop by shit officials.
Canada is not immune to a Trump clone. Look at Germany’s election results. They might have their own Trump soon. 3-4 idiots like that and the world is a completely new place.
Germany’s election wasn’t a big dub for the AfD, the coalition formed for >50% and the rest don’t support their agenda.
And 77m people voting for a 6 time (soon to be 7) bankruptcy convicted felon does say something about their voters.
It’s all going to be used as an excuse to invade us. Oh look at Canada they made your lives more expensive. It’s Canada’s fault and once the people believe it, they’ll have their support and invade us.
It would be an uphill battle. Yes Americans are overall less educated because they don’t invest in education and let their media spread lies unchecked but invading Canada is a big leap (for now).
The US military would never be able to recruit another volunteer again. Nobody hates Canada.
they’ll have hell on their hands after an invasion, good luck defending that border or stopping the insurgency with so much wilderness.
it would be Vietnam and Afghanistan rolled into one, but with easy strikes into their homeland.
Let them try it, we will spur the collapse of their fascist empire
The Geneva conventions need references to write new rules
I like that Trudeau announced he was fucking leaving and before he could get his ass out the door and let someone else take the lead, all this shit happens because Trump was elected.
What a fucking circus.
Oh we’re going to get embargoed
I’m trying to decide what black market US goods are going to be the most profitable, asides from guns. Bourbon maybe?
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Electronics for sure. Phones most likely top of that list.
Those are made overseas, what you want is goods that can only be made here vs CA like tropical fruits (oranges, limes).
Citrus are actually viable in BC, it’s just never been worth building greenhouses for them when we got good cheap fruits from the states.
The US does not produce much that is not available from Canada, Mexico, or Asia.
You have to go to Europe to buy aircraft.
The US is a service economy. Are you going to black market software or cloud services?
Canada is already going to trade more with us in Europe.
How!? How is this guy allowed to be President!? 🤬 This is every time I see him speak and says anything!
He’s Constitutionally ineligible, but the US no longer has a Constitution, so…
Come on now, calling Trump the dumbest man on Earth is doing a great disservice to JD Vance who has put in an enormous amount of effort this last year to pip him at the post.
Speech from Trudeau gave me “we’re at war” vibes.
It’s incredible at which speed things are falling apart.
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I am so tired of this guy
It’s like he doesn’t understand tariffs… It’s hurting your country.
If you put a tariff, it increases the price you’re paying. It makes the goods more expensive for your industry and your population. It makes your industry less competitive as your industry has to sell at higher prices.
Then comes the reciprocal tardif what makes your industry even less competitive. Putting more tardif will hurt your industry.
Did he say “he was the champion of the industry” or whatever similar? Well people voted for the person who doesn’t know what 2+2 makes.
It’s like he doesn’t understand tariffs… It’s hurting your country.
It doesn’t hurt his wallet when he is raising prices for all his hotels for secret service and employees 10x and pocketing it. He doesn’t give a shit about the average American or this country. Fuck you, I got mine.
His goal is revenge on everyone he doesn’t like, and to cause pain for those not like him.
Thing is, America isn’t Trump’s country. Not in any patriotic sense. Far as he is concerned, it is just a random McDonald’s he can ransack and sell off in pieces to whoever can pay him.
Putting more tardif will hurt your industry.
Intentional or typo? Funny either way.
Typo! But yes funny and I let it.
