There are 9 planets…
I’m torn on this one, cause recently they’ve been finding evidence of a ‘new’ 9th planet, way beyond Pluto’s orbit. So I’m on the fence of “there are 8 planets” and “there are 9 planets.” 🤔
Recently? I’ve been hearing about a possible large trans-Pluto object since before Pluto lost its status as a planet.
I must not be on the more scientific news places then, I didn’t start hearing about it until around last year–maybe the year before–, well after pluto got thrown out like last night’s trash.
There’s been “planet X” theories since the 50s
Happy cake day!
I’m of the believe that we made up the word planet and it can mean whatever we say it means.
That’s pretty much how it is. In ancient times, planets would have been objects that were distinguishable from stars in ways they had the ability to differentiate from. For example, with a telescope, any object that doesn’t shine like a star, that moves across the sky at a different rate than the stars, or maybe has visible rings.
Then once science found things that past science couldn’t account for, they redefined what a planet was, according to its size/gravitational pull or other factors, and which Pluto didn’t fit. Apparently due to Pluto’s small size, it’s not even a dwarf-planet, and by that measure is basically just a really big asteroid (we even know of asteroids that are bigger than Pluto).
The issue is, as I understand it, we either have 8 planets (or 9, if there is an exoplanet), or a whole bunch of planets, depending on how narrowly we define them.
It’s also the fact that Pluto doesn’t have its own orbital slot. It is clearly something that escaped Uranus at some point, that’s why their orbits intersect. A planet doesn’t just have to have a certain size, it also has to have its own distinct orbital path.
Yeah this is the correct take. Either Pluto (and by extension, any object of similar size) is a planet, which would mean there’s thousands of Pluto-sized planets in the solar system; or pluto is ‘too small’ to be a planet. Which is the answer they (Sci community) settled on, because if every comet/asteroid is within the threshold definition of ‘planet’ then there would be no point in distinguishing planets at all.
Kinda like how we have dwarf-stars and supermassive stars 1000x bigger than our sun. If they were all the same size there would be no point defining them beyond ‘star’.
Pluto being too small isn’t actually the grounds on which it got demoted. The size requirement is just being massive enough to reach hydrostatic equilibrium - that is, be heavy enough that it’s round. Pluto does meet this one
The one it fails is clearing its orbit. This basically means being much heavier than everything else in the same orbit. Be gravitationally in charge of your orbit. The other eight are all hundreds if not thousands of times heavier than everything else in their orbit (not including moons, since they’re gravitationally bound to the planet anyway), whereas Pluto is less than a tenth of the total mass in its own orbit. Ceres is actually more gravitationally dominant over its orbit than that, although still nowhere near the eight planets.
This one sounds a bit weird at first, but I kinda like how it has such a massive delineation between the things we instinctively think of as planets and everything else.
I’m of the opinion we made up all the words, but those mouth sounds must have a strict meaning whenever possible. Words are important, they’re how you communicate concepts. Everyone should be precise with their words to the best of their understanding, if you have to redefine the word planet in every conversation the concept is diluted and you waste a lot of time
In this case, if Pluto is a planet, we have at least 13. We might discover another 10 or 20 if there’s no planet 9 hiding behind the kyper belt and it’s all dwarf planets… Ain’t no one got time to remember 30+ planets
30+ planets should be pretty easy. They name them after mythology. The 50 states aren’t difficult to remember, and those don’t have any sort of naming convention.
What about Uranus
Edit: or is that a moon 🤣 I crack myself up!
I’m sorry, Fry, but astronomers renamed Uranus in 2620 to end that stupid joke once and for all.
Oh…what’s it called now?
Urectum.
Lmao I love Futurama
There are at least 9
Pluto is a dwarf planet. Planet. You wouldn’t say that a dwarf person isn’t a person.
Speak for yourself
You wouldn’t call a person a dwarf, period. So don’t do that. If you ever meet a little person, they’ll probably refer to themselves as a little person. You should just follow their lead
A dwarf planet is not a category of planets. It is a category of sub-planetary objects. This is how the term “dwarf planet” was adopted by the IAU in 2006. It did used to mean “type of planet”, but there are just too many of them, and they’re really too different from planets, so it literally does not mean that anymore. At least to astronomers.
Whatever a red car is still a car.
It’s dumb to say it isn’t a planet just because it hasn’t yet cleared its orbit. The decision to make it “not a planet” was also made by astronomers, not by planetary scientists. Like people with “Star” in their name know more about planets than people with “planet” in theirs.
Anyways it’s extra silly because if you have “real planets” and “dwarf planets” then what is the higher group containing those two? “Things that orbit the sun”? No, they should both be planets.
Hold my fuckin beer friends i remember when tunguska was a ‘weird alien thing’ and when Ballard found Titanic
“When and where did you graduate”
Texas: 2024
“… How can you even read this?”
Because they used Texan hieroglyphics!
🥩 🤠 🥩 🐮 🔫 👢 🔫 🤠
So I’m super liberal overall, but I’m also Texan, so I do in fact love shooting guns and being on the ranch.
Though I don’t love cowboy boots. They’re just too uncomfortable and difficult to get on and off for something that costs what my first car did.
I could throw a site together if the community is willing to help curate the data.
From what I read here are some keys to follow:
Year: Country: Fact:
I could throw a form together for submissions to feed this site. Thoughts?
You’d probably need to verify all submissions
Unless you throw an LLM into the mix
Or maybe there’s already some resources giving you all debunked facts with their dates
I would probably start out by proofing or approving them before they post to the site. It say I get a notification read it do a little reading over it and get to a point where I can use a large language model to siphon the submissions.
You believe an LLM can be used to distinguish facts from fiction? I wonder up to which year that misconception was taught in school.
The whole point of LLMs is, to convince their users that the “facts” they generate are actual facts.
They can browse the web, and I never meant it would be 100 accurate just easier. Don’t think this is going to be a mission critical website
That just it, these “facts” won’t be on the web for stuff approximately 2005 and before. No where on the web is the racist and homophobic shit I was taught in the 80’s and 90’s listed on some wiki.
LLM’s are mostly useless anyways at distinguishing real information, they are just shit summary tools and poor search engines.
LLMs are not magic, otherwise one just have to request that any submission will have references to reputable sources.
For America, you’ll also need to have a drop-down for states. I graduated from high school in California in 2009, and I’m currently working on a medical degree, so I’d be delighted to contribute to this. I’d especially like to help with a sex ed section for Americans.
I graduated from high school in California in 2009
Hey, me too
I’m not sure I’d want to get that granular because of the same fact was taught across the country there’s no need for the redundancy. Also trying to make this a global website helps removing that level of granularity from the states as well.
The differences in curricula across states mean that some states would have gotten the correct information while others may not have. I know the science and history classes in my state were pretty different from some other states.
Thats not just the case in the US though
Design it so that it can get that granular later(when someone else wants to do that work)
As long as it’s got the capability it can grow into that later. Assuming unexpected and explosive popularity/growth it would be great if wikifoundation acquired it someday as a dataset if nothing else, but having a structure that can be expanded globally at a granular scale baked into it from the beginning would be awesome
Sorry I’m not great with computers or i would offer more of a technical opinion not just design commentary
Okay but should I put in the year I graduated or the year of our textbooks/curriculum? Because my U.S. history textbook had an assignment for the “present day” to write about the “ongoing” war in iraq under “current” president George W. Bush. Spoiler, I did not go to HS when bush was president.
I was in high school during that time
It’s really weird to see actually witness history becoming “history”
An even better idea: make your OWN list! Don’t expect someone else to tell you the truth if you’re not working to search for it yourself!
Curious how you would go about this process of creating a list of your own knowledge that is outdated.
By being a life-long learner! Seriously, learning is an active thing, it’s not something we have to be sitting in a room to receive. So as we read and learn more, we realize that some of the things we learned are different from what we thought. It’s something we should all be doing as we learn and reflect.
Right… And the suggestion in OP is for someone to create an efficient tool supporting life-long learning. One doesn’t imply lack of active learning in the other. So get of your condescending high horse.
Public school book adoption is between 8-12 years (Texas). And they only have to meet 50% of the state learning objectives. I hope the point of this post of to encourage life long learning and developing critical thinking skills.
That was fuckin’ awesome, thank you!!
I knew I’d heard of a site that did this already. Couldn’t remember the name, though. Thanks!
This assumes that your teachers were up to date
Actually, this is a really really amazing idea.
Set country as an option, and private/public school (different lies…)
It’d be great to let us all face our biases _
Biases? Ignorances, is that the word you meant?
A little of column A and a little of column B.
different lies
A Japanese person asks, “What did my school get wrong about Japan’s involvement in World War II?”
is given an exhaustive history of the World War II Pacific Theater
Hard to call it a bias when that was the accepted convention for a large portion of the population.
Can’t really blame someone for being taught something than never having it come up again.
Yeah like the food pyramid. That’s not my bias, that was the government fucking up
That was big business fucking with the government on purpose.
Yup. Sucks ass how many of us they conned
RIP Pluto
Cool concept, but the facts given are a very basic start.
Pretty sure a Redditor coded it in a morning in response to this tweet.
Whois lookup says this. Doesn’t discredit the “hastily thrown together in an hour” idea, though.
Created: 2023-10-02 02:12:17 UTC
I want to say 2-3, it was a quick job for sure ;-)
It says right at the bottom of the page that it was inspired by a tweet. With the same wording as this post.
Got em!
Damn, impossible to read from a mobile phone
damn what a shit website.
Some of these things are just like, shit we’ve known since the 60’s repackaged as “hey we’re pretty sure this isn’t that anymore”
I went to a Christian private school.That list would take down the website for days!
Oh hey, I have one for you! I was taught that the Christian flag was the oldest flag in the history of the world.
It just gives you the address of the nearest preschool to start over XD
Only if an incompetent made the site. User input is a drop in the bucket compared to aggregation, searching, and now “AI”.
Quickly need to query half a billion results…
I’ve actually seen a website that is exactly this.
Can’t remember the URL, but can confirm it exists (existed?) and it was an interesting website to read.
Same, I want to say it was a NYT page? Or something like that. Not a dedicated site.
Could be, it’s been a while. Or maybe there’s been multiple sites.
Likely, yep!
We could call it thefactsbook
factsbook
I started a subreddit called facefacts at one point, was gonna debunk Facebook bullshit with a JS bookmarklet, but got too busy with work, then Trump flooded the zone and deleted my Facebook and twitter accounts.
oh I get it, my grandma goes on there so often, she must be trying to get true information
