The Duff CEO with a Windows-Logo on his forehead: “Gamers use Windows because of its’ user experience not our de facto monopoly.”
Next Image: Duff CEO with Windows-Logo in front of a “Out of Business” sign. Subtitle: “30 minutes after SteamOS is released”
Edit: Yo, I’m not saying this is gonna happen. I just want to say that Windew’s UX sucks ass.
I don’t really understand this buzz about Steam OS displacing Windows.
Windows is a general purpose computer OS; whereas Steam OS is a game-platform OS designed for the Steam Deck and similar devices. It doesn’t seem to be the same use case. Obviously Steam OS could be used as a general purpose OS, if you just switch modes and install this and that software… but then what are you waiting for? There are already heaps of high quality general purpose Linux OSs already designed for that purpose. Linux Mint is a drop-in replacement for Windows, and has no problems whatsoever with games.
I mean, if you want to use Steam OS on your main computer, then that’s fine - but I just don’t really see a reason to use that rather than something that is already available, and already a desktop OS rather than a console OS.
Don’t make me tap the post title.
I mean just saying it’s optimistic is insufficient. “Fever dream fantasy” is closer.
You do understand what the joke is about, do you?
Why don’t you explain the joke and we’ll see
That Window’s UX is shit and no one uses Windows for its’ UX?
Oh… Is that funny? Ok
Still beats gnome, lol, tee hee, jajaja
Ok. Yes. I guess this wasn’t quite the right place for me to post my piece.
It’s the OEM effect behind it. If Valve offers it as an OS anyone can use (which they are trialing by giving it to ASUS), then it is more likely for both users and OEMs to trust it as a platform, meaning devs would be incentivized to support it and users would be more likely to switch off windows.
I could be wrong, but I think what they really want is for a PC OEM to pick up SteamOS so that it markets to the general audience. They’re beta testing it in the handheld market because of the steam deck’s success.
If people get to use it truly out of box, the market for it will grow.
As of now, most Linux users are here because they have a knack for tech and trying things. Most computer users are not like this and will cling to even subpar experience because its familiar.
Windows can keep kneecapping itself all day, but linux desktop will only expand rapidly if both companies and users see immediate value (it’s always been there, but hard to convince).
Maybe some people only use their computers to play games? I don’t know. I’ve been wondering as well. Pretty much any modern distribution works fine.
A large amount of non-gaming work that people do on PCs these days is inside a web browser. A chromebook would do fine. In fact, a lot of IT departments prefer it because it’s a locked down environment by default.
Always had windows. Never wanted Linux because I didn’t want to dick around with every game install. You give me an OS that lets me browse and game WITHOUT having to dick around with every application, and I’d switch in a heartbeat.
Windows will be worse soon thanks to passkey bullshit they are trying to force. I really think that Blizzard buyout may have entirely sunk current projects.
What? Why would an OS be worse because of a more secure and more user friendly authentication alternative?
And how are they trying to force it? They just encourage it.
Passkeys are pretty much being adopted industry wide (kinda slowly at the moment but still).
Every OS should have good support for hardware bound keys.
I can’t even remember the last time I had to fuck around with a Steam game, all the ones I want to play just work
Lucky you, not my experience at all, even ended up repurchasing a game on Steam while it was on sale because at some point, time is money and I had spent a whole lot of money trying to make it work.
You want to play the wrong games.
A Linux user doesn’t touch “AAA”.
Bruh I play Baldur’s Gate 3 on Linux. Shitty AAA I agree with you.
I can eat from whichever dumpster I choose, thank you very much.
No true Sgotsman fallacy.
I only use Windows at work and played RE games and Control without issue.
Then Linux shouldn’t be suggested as a replacement for Windows for gamers.
AAA games work on Linux, sometimes even sooner and better than on Windows.
It should and will continue to be.
Not if it can’t run games that people want to play.
They shouldn’t want to play them.
It’s a pretty seamless experience nowadays. I installed CachyOS on my handheld and installing games outside of Steam is pretty seamless with Lutris and Heroic Launcher
Needing another launcher to launch a launcher isn’t seamless and sometimes it works like crap and requires a reboot to get things working.
thats not how that works though. Lutris and Heroic are not the same as steam. They are seperate launchers. Also why do you have to reboot anything? Generally I have not had a single piece of software that required a reboot to work on Linux. Even the updates don’t require reboots.
Funny how Steam having to launch EA app to start a game = people complaining about Steam launching a launcher, but Lutris launching EA app to launch a game =/= a launcher launching a launcher for some reason…
After installing the game on Lutris or Heroic I can just add it to Steam and then launch the game directly from steam. In terms of UX I just need to press the play button, wait a little bit and then see the game main menu. Sometimes you see other launchers but there’s a lot of games that have their own launcher before launching the game, Fallout 4? Nixxes ported games?
I don’t know what anything else that you want. Even on Windows same shit still happens.
It’s actually gotten a lot better over the last few years; Valve has been putting in a lot of work into making gaming “just work” through Steam. It’s still a bit jank, but honestly all OSes are a bit jank.
If anyone in this thread is interested, I’d recommend giving Linux Mint a go. There’s nothing really to lose.
Anyway, I’m done shilling Linux so I’ll let you get back to your Simpsoning. :P
There’s nothing really to lose.
Just hours of your time as some random miniscule feature you were reliant upon without realizing it until it was missing, then have to look up a dozen different fixes using some stone aged console commands, none of which actually fix your issue…
That is pretty much my experience when I have to use a windows machine at work. Sorry, the powershell command is how long? Just got this from ChatGPT, no idea if it works and I am not booting windows to test it.
Bash: grep -iRl “test”
Powershell: Get-ChildItem -Recurse | Select-String -Pattern “test” -CaseSensitive:$false | Select-Object -ExpandProperty Path -Unique
Which is why people use the GUI for pretty much everything. Linux demands you use archaic commands to do anything useful.
Is there a decent way of doing that in the GUI in windows? One of the more common commands I use at work which is the only time I use Windows. Rather than the PowerShell I usually use WSL for it currently because there are usually a few other things I will want to do after as well.
This is my current experience with pop os. Took a while searching and digging through age old threads to figure out how to fix Rivals so it actually launches, then more searching to fix an issue I was having with the screen blacking out, and it’s going to be more searching to figure out why audio keeps tearing while I’m full screened. It’s a pain trying to make things compatible, so much so I’m extremely tempted to switch back to Windows 10 despite it hitting EOL this year. I really don’t like having to waste my personal time making something work when there’s an incredibly easy alternative where everything works always (aside from hardware issues)
Edit: especially peeved about trying to fix ffxiv. I want my shaders back >:(
I had tried mint years ago, and gave up when I couldn’t even get my extra mouse buttons to work. I’m not going back to 1995 with a shitty 2-button
Did u try installing the driver for ur mouse lol
Hurr durrr… Yes I did.
Steam on Linux already does exactly that. You hit play and that’s it, exactly like on Windows. The rest is done for you automatically.
Tinkering might be required with a few non-Steam games and programs, but for the most part, they just work as well.
For the most part that’s true, but when something goes wrong, it really goes wrong.
For example, I wanted to play Path of Exile 2, and it would get stuck at a black screen on startup. The fix is “easy” on Windows, you just edit an ini file in “My Documents”. To fix it on Linux, that same file is stored in
/home/[YOUR USERNAME]/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/compatdata/2694490/pfx/drive_c/users/steamuser/Documents/My Games/Path of Exile 2/poe2_production_Config.ini
Which is insane by any standard.
So fix for both OS is to edit a text file, path is just different?
Yes, one path is easily discoverable, the other looks like an incantation to summon Cthulhu. If you can’t see why one of those options is hostile to users, you are being deliberately obtuse.
If you type it by hand sure, but copy/paste exists.
And lets be honest, it is not as if tinkering isn’t required for a lot of things on Windows too, it is just that the tinkering is a lot more random “hope & pray” stuff like uninstalling and reinstalling things, rebooting,… and hoping the problem goes away.
True!
What? No.
One of the best things about Windows is the incredible huge support on how to fix things.
Maybe not on the Windows forum, about Microsoft software. But every other software is not a problem. Because Windows has such a huge userbase, it would be weird if you encountered a bug that nobody has ever encountered before. And tons of techies already posted several solutions to it.
Not my experience with Windows at all. Windows has a lot of the kind of users who see the system as some mystical thing that can not be understood and they speculate on reasons but their solutions are always more along the line of cargo cults than proper, well-understood solutions.
Good news, then!
The first time you try Linux will have an initial learning curve. Just like the first time you tried Windows. But once you have everything set up the way you like and get used to it, you really won’t find yourself having to troubleshoot very often. You certainly don’t have to “dick around with every game install” either.
You can do that now if your games are on Steam.
That’s the problem, IF your games are on Steam.
If they’re not, then it’s usually pretty easy to add them to steam as a non steam game, or sometimes you can use Lutris.
Then you have a launcher launching a launcher to launch a game, when that happens on Windows people are pissed, when that happens on Linux people act like there’s nothing wrong with that experience.
You can run games with Lutris, which allows you to create shortcuts for games so that they would be launched through Lutris without invoking a UI
So from a user’s perspective, the game just opens up as normal without any launchers or interfaces in between, like if you ran an .exe
Besides, plenty of non-Steam games can be run simply through Wine, then you literally double-click a game .exe and there you go.
Recall is the final straw for me. If there really is no way to permanently disable it then I’m going to have to get used to Linux/SteamOS. Which sucks because I really do seriously value things just working and not have to dig for hours to fix random issues with every little program I want to use. :/
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You will like Linux then because on Linux, unlike Windows, you can figure out why stuff goes wrong and then fix it for good instead of randomly having reappearances of the same problem (barring hardware issues like overheating of course but that affects all systems equally).
That’s the best part of using Linux, you get actual error messages that can be figured out. Windows tends to just say “an error occurred” or “something went wrong.” I dual boot for a couple games and Windows drives me crazy. It keeps trying to install updates, something doesn’t work, and it then uninstalls the update next reboot. No idea what the problem is.
Honestly, as someone comfortable with Linux already, but running Windows because of games, it was the last straw for me in a bigger way. A bunch of people up and down the chain at Microsoft thought recall was a good idea, and didn’t need really basic safety features at launch. Not only is that very poor judgement, but what they think I want and need is so far disconnected from reality that following their upgrade path is a huge risk.
Maybe they’ll put switches in to disable Recall, but maybe they’ll want to take them away for my own good at some point in the future. Maybe they’ll do so silently. I know there’ll be an adjustment curve, but I’d rather be in control of it rather than let the people who thought Recall was a good idea updating my OS internals. I’ll never install Windows 11 on a device I own, and I’m not holding my breath on future versions at this rate.
Meh the Linux conversation has been going on as long as I remember and windows is still king. But Linux can play games now so who knows where the wind will blow.
iOS and Androids are the king now.
People don’t buy computers nowadays.
At least we didn’t have to look at goddamn Ads in the menu. Also the AI “”“integration”“” fucked up things pretty badly. Sometime you just need a simple, light, OS to do your thing.
This is the main problem right now.
People want to return to a lighter simple Windows OS, but Microsoft is making that increasingly hard to access. The LTSC version of Windows 10 is close(No AI, No Ads, and minimal telemetry that can be disabled), but they dont sell it to the public unless you buy 5 copies, and
there is no LTSC version of Windows 11 yet.looks like they finally released it a couple months back, but people are unhappy with it.Linux offers an alternative, but compatibility is still a huge issue despite the impressive gains Wine and Proton have made in the last few years.
The reality is that if you have a Windows PC you can basically guarantee that you can install anything you might want(barring hardware limitations). You can often make that software work on Linux too, but there is always some tinkering involved and the general public doesn’t want to deal with that, nor do they want to change to a FOSS alternative.
And if you like playing certain games with kernel anti-cheat, the only way you’re getting away from Windows is on console. Unless gamers jumping from Windows to Max/Linux increase by improbable orders of magnitude, that’s not changing anytime soon.
If Microsoft has a monopoly on gaming it’s not because they’ve made an effort to build one. It’s just that MacOS and Linux have never been actual competition. Linux because the user base was so small that making games for it was a big financial risk. SteamOS devices could change this but I doubt it.
And Apple just wont put the effort in for some reason. I’m sure they could make a huge dent on the market, as every iPhone and iPad with Apple silicon are pretty capable of running modern AAA games with a few tweaks, as are their computers. But they just won’t invest in making porting easier and cheaper and refuse to pay more devs to bring their games to the platform or to build a proper gaming division to support them. I’m convinced that Tim Cook just thinks gaming is for losers and doesn’t want it associated with the brand in any way.
The meme is not about how great Linux is, but how shit Windows is, jeez. 🙄
In what world? The steam deck is almost 3 years old, Windows is still on top and it’s not even close
SteamDeck was also not a replacement for your gaming rig’s OS. SteamOS is.
Does steam deck not run Steam OS…? What the Deck was meant to do is irrelevant, the OS it comes with and the OS mentioned in the OP in no way shut Windows down
I think you’re kind of right. For now anyway.
It won’t make any difference until Valve releases SteamOS for general consumption on more than a handful of handhelds
Sure, but the real goal is to get gamers off of Windows. We dont give a shit what the corpos use. SteamOS has a massive possibility to do that.
I feel like we’re having two different conversations.
The OP is acting like as soon as people “have the option” to switch to something else, they will, and Windows will be dead. SteamOS, however, has been a thing for a couple years now, and easily configurable Linux distributions for even longer, so saying that Windows is dead 30 minutes after release isn’t really wishful thinking, it just… Didn’t happen.
Your argument is that SteamOS has potential to upset the gaming OS market, which I’m not at all disagreeing with.
My comments had nothing to do with “what corpos use”, I’m talking about Steam’s user statistics. Over 90% of steam users are on Windows, and that’s with the incredibly popular Steam Deck taken into consideration.
Let it be clear that I’m not at all a Windows fanboy, I fucking hate the OS. I use it because I’m too lazy to set up Linux, and a few games I play are known to not work. Something SteamOS can change, but not something it already has.
We are talking sideways a little bit. OP’s joke won’t come true. But SteamOS has the potential to begin shipping on prebuilds if this traction keeps up. Why pay for a Windows license when we wanna game, y’know? In company time, thats a blink of an eye. Microsoft should be doing something, they are, but its not really going to matter. If this game focused OS jumps to desktop and is good. It has the potential to take over the PC gaming market. Especially if it makes everything Just Work. We’re probably on the same page in reality. Its not exactly there yet. But if there is gonna be a year of the Linux desktop. I’d put my money on Valve igniting it.
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I’m not really sure why it’s relevant to this conversation? But mainly game, homework, and 3d modeling stuff.
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I grew playing with a computer on the first Pentium generation, the only reason I tried to get Linux to work is one game that runs better on it because of shaders issues, when I’m done playing it I’ll probably delete my Linux partition.
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No SteamOS is not a replacement for your gaming rig. The recent steamOS beta release is specifically for hardware manufactures that aren’t in the powered by steamOS program to test their HANDHELD hardware as well as users with non powered by SteamOS handhelds to test steamOS on their handhelds.
There has been a lot of people taking this as SteamOS releasing a linux distro for desktop gamers but thats not the case. I hope one day that will be the case but today its not and people jumping the gun will leave with a terrible linux experience.
I dont think a desktop flavor is far off at all. Plus, they backed Arch, which is upstream from SteamOS and Bazzite. No matter which way you slice it, this is a massive win for Linux gaming and accessibility for many reasons.
Small correction: Bazzite’s upstream is Fedora.
F, thank you. I read one time that its steam deck like and my brain does wild shit.
Yes a desktop compatible version of SteamOS might be coming in the near future but currently thats speculation and there is no evidence to suggest this is the case. Backed by Arch means nothing here, they are just using packages from the arch repo SteamOS itself is nothing like Archlinux.
The win for linux gaming is more hardware manufacturers shipping linux. Its not Desktop users moving from windows to SteamOS like this meme would suggest. I just want to clear this up everytime i see it because I dont think its good for new linux users to try SteamOS on their desktops in its current state.
Valve sponsored arch. Thats a huge deal.
Proton is a much bigger deal than SteamOS itself. It’s what allows you to play Windows games on Linux – often with better performance than on Windows due to reduced overhead.
That’s all been available for a while. The cat is out of the bag
Market share moves slowly.
Windows enshittification made me look if Linux had become a viable alternative.
Got a Steam Deck to try it out and was very impressed by how far it’s come.
When my Win10 desktop needs replacement in a year or 2, getting a Linux desktop.
When my Win10 desktop needs replacement in a year or 2, getting a Linux desktop.
What’s stopping you from installing Linux now? I don’t think you can just “get” a Linux desktop, though I’d be happy to be wrong.
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
Here is the news that you didn’t hear yet:
I saw that after my first comment, I’m still not really sure how this is supposed to mean the death of Windows. Another mobile PC device running SteamOS isn’t going to disrupt Window’s position (though it is of course nice to see more handhelds on the market running the OS), and Valve saying they’ll soon release a user-installable beta is nowhere near what some are making it out to be. People are acting like they just released a stable Linux distro meant to replace your main OS; the news is exciting, but it’s not the death of Windows, at least not for a long while.
The idea is that the deck is not a one off and as more devices come to run SteamOS specifically developers will take note.
No one said it’ll be the death of windows altogether, the meme and comments are saying it may be the death of windows for dedicated gaming rigs (meaning handheld pc gaming devices and dedicated desktop gaming pcs)
I’m glad gaming has come so far but it still fuckin sucks. Waiting hours for shders to compile, all the bandwidth used to download those shaders. Then the game still runs like shit compared to windows.
Don’t get me wrong. I still only use Linux and have for like 8 years. But that doesn’t mean it’s not shite. But I don’t really game like I used to. My main issue is applications like Adobe and CAD software. We need that to support Linux
Hey so im not sure if this applies to you but ive been told to skip the shaders compile and it works just fine. I found that to be true for linux mint with steam. Apparently its not really doing anything? I could be wrong.
If you are talking about the dialog box that comes up before a game loads in steam.
Ye. Sometimes it works if I skip but some games stutter like crazy without it
I have subpar performance in some games but i dont think any steam games. Ill pay attention next time and maybe compile if its not working well. Honestly wasnt sure if it was an nvidia driver thing, proton thing, or apparently a shader thing lol
Have you been playing the dead space remake? FreeCAD just made a big leap BTW (to be fair I was happy enough using it before, but I understand people’s complaints)
If SteamOS is ever launched for non-valve hardware, I would probably stop whatever I’m doing at work to get it installed
It was already launched for non-Valve hardware. Not for any hardware though, just a Lenovo handheld.
Copying my own comment from yesterday:
There was a comment thread in one of the Linux communities the other day talking about this mindset. Obviously the comments got a bit rude and unconstructive, but the point is that you can switch to something like bazzite now and most things will work pretty well, but if you’re holding out until it’s perfect then you’ll be waiting forever!
Awesome thank you I’ll check it out
It probably won’t be trivial but this is Lemmy, if you’re stuck there are hundreds of Linux nerds itching to help!
My old desktop has been demoted to console, and some time before Windows 10 goes EOL, I’m planning to try Bazzite on it. Seems like the closest we’ll get to SteamOS on any hardware in the near future.
Most people just use what’s in front of them. Apple takes on exorbitant costs to make sure marginalized people are the face of iphone. Microsoft takes on exorbitant costs to be the face of our soul crushing tech capitalism. What can linux represent and how can we leverage that to our advantage while taking down apple and Microsoft.
Apple takes on exorbitant costs to make sure marginalized people are the face of iphone.
What the hell are you talking about?
If you know, you know.
Conservative parody account based on the username. What the parody is remains to be seen
It’s actually just there to scare aware people like yourself. Kinda like a scarecrow.
Linux represents those that are free
Y’all have no idea how true this is. I just finished building my OC and installed CachyOS (Arch derivative). Got Steam running incredibly easily. I can play both Deep Rock Galactic and Helldivers 2 online multiplayer. The only tweak I needed to do was use a different version of Proton for Helldivers 2 (which would’ve been the default one, but Cachy has its own Cachy one).
I don’t know when the last time y’all have tried to play games on Linux is, but it is genuinely trivial. Even Nvidia drivers are easy now.
I just installed mint on a little gaming PC connected to my TV. Set it up to boot straight to steam with big screen mode. The only thing that is a small chore was installing xpadneo for my controller and downloading many many gigs of games into it.
Even Nvidia drivers are easy now.
What about VRR and HDR support?
If VRR is VR I don’t use VR so I don’t know, and my monitor doesn’t support HDR.
VRR is Variable Refresh Rate. Its a nice feature that let’s GPUs talk to compatible monitors so that you dont get duplicate, wasted, or torn frames. The monitor adjusts its frame rate to the GPU and the GPU doesn’t render more than the monitor can handle.
Requisite “you don’t need to wait for SteamOS” post.
Gamed on Linux for over 2 years. The time is now. Shit just works (mostly).
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you can often get better performance on the same games with the same hardware.
Because there’s a reason why Linux does not randomly use the disk like Windows does
Back when I was still on an HDD the difference between NTFS and ext4 was night and day.
I remember having the need to defragment my drive on windows every few months, or Batman Arkham Asylum would actually start to lag and stutter trying to load textures.
Meanwhile World of Warships, another texture heavy game, would load significantly faster when I tried it on Linux because surprise surpsise, ext4 doesn’t fragment until your disk is nearly full.
Windows honestly gg ez’d it’s way out of making a newer FS with the advent of SSDs, but there was a period of time where upgrading to Windows 8 would blow up your drive usage to 100% the entire time the PC was on.
NTFS is imo even worse than exFAT because at least exFAT didn’t eat your disk alive
My whole family largely uses Linux as our daily driver - ages - 40, 38, 18, 9, 7
The only one not running Linux is my 38 year old wife.
HOWEVER - my 9 year old got an occulus for Xmas, and suddenly we are dual booting and that’s a real shame.
Shit just works (mostly).
That’s the “damning with faint praise” that has been the bane of Linux since slackware came on 500 floppies.
Sometimes that “mostly” is just “oh, you have to do this simple thing that is in a FAQ once and then you’re golden”. Other times it’s “oh, that hardware isn’t supported, so I guess you don’t have a usable video card”.
I think what many of us are hoping with when it comes to SteamOS is that a few of the remaining really sharp edges get sanded off. And, just maybe, there will be a tipping point where the smoother the experience, the more people use it, and the more people use it, the smoother the experience will be.
Bro I had to spend 4 hours on forums trying to figure out why Windows won’t reboot into BIOS. It’s linked to the Fast Start option that won’t turn off without rebooting into BIOS.
Frankly I just shouldn’t have put the mostly. I’ve literally had one issue in the last year. Point is: just try it.
What distro do you recommend if it’s a machine mostly used for gaming?
If you’d otherwise just be waiting for SteamOS to drop: Bazzite. It’s the closest thing to Steam OS, but with a better Desktop mode when you want to switch to that.
I’ve primarily been using PopOS, which has been fantastically stable and very easy. I have an all AMD system, but my understanding is that the nvidia version of Pop also makes some of the nvidia driver stuff a lot easier.
I also play on Arch sometimes, but realistically you probably don’t want bleeding edge stuff if the point is just making sure games work. That’s where the relative stability of something like Pop / Mint / even just pure Debian comes into play.
Year of the Linux
DesktopHandheldI probably will be giving Linux a shot this year, at the very least attempt a dual boot.
For anyone with two feet, dual boot instead of a single boot is highly recommended
Yarr, but what if we be having one?
I have used linux for about two years for gaming and it works for well most games but there is always a game that doesn’t work right too, not to dissuade you from giving it a try. Just want to tell you my experience. I’d say 95% of games I’ve tried work in a basic sense. But sometimes a certain game just runs like crap or I have to fiddle getting a game to work with using lutris . Some games just can’t work because of anti-cheat services. Etc… I’ve tried various OS and really enjoy POP_OS as well as good ole fedora. So, dual boot is recommended if you can do it. Ultimately, I’ve sadly moved back to windows just because I got tired of always having to troubleshoot stuff to the point of not wanting my computer to be a hobby. I love linux and want it to be my only OS but for me its just not quite there for no fuss gaming setup. I’m a parent and dont want my fleeting moments of free time to be troubleshooting while something isn’t working.
I choose the games i buy based on the protondb ranking. Most unsupported games are those with kernel level anti cheat which i wouldn install on any system anyway. My bazzite gaming PC is absolutly hassle free, for my masochism i have Arch on my Notebook :D
Makes sense that linux doesn’t quite fit the no fuss gaming setup, but I’m curious, would you say Windows fits the no fuss gaming setup today?
Part of what drove me away was my infrequent gaming on Windows led to everytime I went to play games having windows demanding updates that would be end with spamming me about Microsoft products I’ve declined 1000 times before. Then updates to the games themselves. It was slowly turning me into a console gamer as I felt the only low/no fuss environment for gaming was a PS5.
Linux definitely requires the time/energy to keep things playing smoothly, but IMO so does Windows, just in very unproductive ways.
I think you answered your own question.
Linux definitely requires the time/energy to keep things playing smoothly,
Windows, overall just has less time/energy to keep things playing smoothly. Running a good debloat helps some. Honestly, what through me over the edge was with poe2, on linux it just stuttered and lagged. I even went from POP_OS to Fedora, same issues. Came over to windows and it runs nice and smooth. Its just I’ve went through situations like that enough to say thats enough… I can’t keep doing this.
You can boot from a USB stick too, which means you can check out this or that linux, without any kind of modification to your system.
I’ve considered Windows a toy OS for decades because the only use case anyone can legitimately make for needing to use it is to play games.
Cries in professional CAD-Software-User-Noises
Honestly Onshape is great and works in browser
Some of my customers would skin me alive knowing that I upload their Data to some online CAD Service… sorry.
I like FreeCad
I wish I would. I feel like my dependency on windows holds me down professionally.
Fact. I only still use it because of game compatibility.
Ah, there’s Adobe and maybe some 3D modelling software
Adobe is sadly huge for design professionals. Also fuck Adobe
I was looking at Ubuntu studio which can work with adobe filetype, but i wouldn’t switch unless i had a backup machine with adobe software just in case.
Yes and also yes
Autodesk is huge as well. Also fuck Autodesk
Among consumers, sure. But they also have put decades of effort into understanding how business buy and pay for software and computers.
Oddly enough, the rise of software as a service I think has led to Linux being a more viable option for business use. For my work, I’d still be personally missing MS Excel but that’s because I hate LibreOffice Calc with a passion. I cannot understand some of their keybindings which are not changeable. But so much of what I use these days is just in web browsers.
Yeah, it’s true. I don’t think that’s by accident either. The “evil” in Google’s “Don’t be evil” motto was at least somewhat inspired by Microsoft. Now, you can argue about how evil Google has become, but even very early on they saw Microsoft as a prime adversary. That meant not tying themselves to Windows in any way, and it also meant building a lot of capabilities into Chrome that made it so that people weren’t tied to Windows. That has opened the door to SAAS being a thing that happens in the browser, and not in GUIs written in Visual Basic, or something that is tied to the MS platform, which means you’re more and more able to do your normal work on Linux.
I am able to run Linux in a M365 company, and whether Google or Microsoft had more influence on the current state of things, it IS nice that the whole suite works great right there in Firefox.
Member when instant messaging, email, and cloud file storage didn’t need to be deeply integrated into the OS? I member.
I think one reason I really like Lemmy / Mastodon is that they remind me of the days when people ran their own IRC servers, and/or Jabber servers and when that was a normal and standard way to communicate.
Yeah, and you interacted with them on your PC. So I thought you might like this anecdote.
I’m totally accustomed to using my phone on the fediverse. Voyager ftw. But, just yesterday I relocated my main PC so that I could use it with a cantilever lap desk on my end of the couch. In my household we tend to hang out together in the same room all the time, so this is a game changer.
Plus it’s only been a few weeks since I switched this former Windows gaming PC over to Linux Mint. So all the massive UX improvements that brings still feel fresh and impressive for the stuff I use it for. Been running linux on my work machine much longer.
It’s a proper old man PC setup. My feet are up and I am typing on my old full-sized mechanical keyboard that has the circuit board inside mounted to a slab of metal. I can feel my beard turning gray!
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I’ve used several CAD solutions as a toolmaker. And tested even more. All Windows only. I wear the sackcloth and ashes of FreeCAD at home because
1: It’s free and I don’t need to buy a subscription. Billed monthly or annually-- your choice. I can use FreeCAD as I see fit.
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It does NOT require me to store my data in the cloud. I have worked on things that were trade secrets.
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If my internet connection goes down I can’t access my work with the full ability to manipulate it.
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I absolutely detest the clown car UX that is Fusion 360. I don’t want to click an icon and get a dropdown menu that’s a dozen entries long, then click one of those and getting a submenu that’s ANOTHER 6 entries deep. Ain’t nobody got time for that shit.
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Learning difficult things does not scare me.
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