I’d sincerely recommend everyone to read his manifesto and think about it a little bit.
First thing in the manifesto “yeah the cops are still really cool and I like them”
my man Luigi’s taking the fall for the real hero, is there nothing this handsome , suffering soul won’t do for good?
Peg me 😭
I have said it once and I will say it again: I am genuinely shocked at just how many people, especially on Lemmy, are just accepting that Luigi is the real shooter. I haven’t believed it for one minute and the only thing that will make me believe it is audio proof of Luigi confessing while not under duress.
Why would you think the feds want the wrong guy? Because what they want the actual killer to be roaming free.
What happens if the real killer does another hit in a few weeks? The Feds just be like erm nah this is a copycat we will get him too.
Occam’s razor.
Also this post is filled with misinformation itself. There are plenty of 3D printed gun demos on YouTube where the guns don’t explode.
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If the “real” shooter hits again, that illusion SHATTERS. It’s a terrible play.
Also as far as I’m aware it wasn’t a fully 3d printed gun, rather a 3d printed lower for a Glock. The lower doesn’t have to handle anywhere near the levels of pressure that the upper does, so is unlikely to break when firing.
Personally, it seems more likely to me that he never expected to get away with it for as long as he did, didn’t really have a plan beyond getting out of NYC, and went to that McDonald’s to get caught.
Maybe I’m wrong, that’s completely possible. But… I dunno… a lot of eyes are on this case. It would be very very dumb of the cops to manufacture a suspect with all the attention on this. Maybe they are that dumb…
Never underestimate how incompetent the American police are
You’re shocked eh.
This attitude sounds very trumpy
All you know is what you heard in news reports. There is no incentive for them to arrest the wrong guy, and we haven’t heard all the evidence
Installing security systems was part of my job, and sorry, but a lot of criminals are idiots. They just assume they’re going to get away with it.
We had one where some fat guy tried to climb a gate but it broke so he went through it. Then he took his hoodie off as he was stealing a camera.
Had another where the guy ran a fake school as a scam. When they investigated him, they discovered he had all of the computers, but none of them were set up. But really, the suspicious part was the Ferrari he owned
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There is no incentive for them to arrest the wrong guy…
No, yep, you’re right, absolutely zero incentive. Not like there’d be a bunch of rich and powerful CEOs breathing down their neck to catch the CEO killer or anything.
You think all the random CEO’s right now are calling the police station telling them they need to catch the killer?
Are you serious? 😂
That’s not how these things work
But you make up whatever story supports your conspiracy theory.
It’s possible it’s not the correct person. But it’s more likely you guys read a few news articles and the police have a lot more information than what you have.
Do you think this wasn’t political, and isn’t getting a political response? Are you serious?
What would be the message if someone managed to off a CEO in broadband daylight and get away with it? Does it matter to them if they have the right person or not, or does just getting a plausibly similar person serve just the same goal with any political message in mind.
We seriously can’t know whether it is or isn’t the right guy, so it’s genuinely doesn’t matter if it is or not.
Goddamn I’m tired of people pretending like politics doest exist and malicious people aren’t a thing. Yeah no the world isnt ruled but lizards but conspiracies are every much a real thing and you just registering the word directly as “bullshit” is so dystopian.
If you me and a third guy plan a crime, that’s a conspiracy.
That’s not how these things work
You’re right, it’s not. Do you really expect a CEO to bother himself with a plebian beat cop? No, he’d call his good friend the mayor, who would call the chief of police, who would put pressure on his subordinates.
This isn’t exactly rocket science? And if you don’t believe the above is possible, then you’re one of the targets of this grift.
What I learned from the show “Interior Chinatown” is that they always get their man.
Has Interior Chinatown actually started? I loved the book. - A former aspiring kung fu guy
It’s on Hulu, had a clean ending not asking for a sequel. 10 episodes, 45 minutes each.
4chan op has a tenuous grasp of how time and pictures work.
What does everyone think they do with all their biometric and Face ID data? Throw a shitty algorithm against this data cross referencing a pic from a grainy security feed and in this post truth era, 100% of crimes are now solvable.
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Important to note: 3D PRINTED FIREARMS DO NOT BREAK WITH A FEW USES
Firsthand knowledge.
200-250 rounds and still going strong, inspected before and after firing every time
No damage so far.
Beyond that point, I agree with everything posted.
I was coming here to say this, I have an (unfinished) semi-auto 9mm carbine and its only part from a real gun is a barrel from a Glock because I didn’t feel like making my own XD
Gun nut
His name was Robert Paulson
I… Do not know what this means
Based O’Brien would engineer a thousand-round 3D printed gun while the federation’s ATF just weeps in a corner
500 cigarettes
Yeah, the early 3D printed guns were garbage, but modern ones are much more durable. Changes in design have allowed for the use of off-the-shelf parts for the most important moving pieces, which means you have the durability of those off-the-shelf parts instead. The 3D print is basically just holding the machined parts together.
Yeah but people don’t consider printing a handle to be a “3d printed gun” unless you’re trying to ban their existence entirely.
it’s not like homemade guns are a new thing, it’s just that now we can make them not look like pipe guns from fallout 4
I think that highly depends on your knowledge about 3D printing an what materials you use.
Most 3d printed guns are constructed very similarly to “real” commercially available (in burgerland) guns that use a polymer construction. The plastic is taking very little of the force, they use metal inserts and rails that the mechanical parts connect to. This distributes the load a lot. I haven’t printed any yet, mostly because you basically need to buy a whole gun to build one, but they aren’t magic or anything and you could do the same thing with woodworking tools by hand if you had a lot of patience.
Ah, that makes sense.
The most reliable one I have uses an AR style fire control group, and large metal pieces for the bolt, and pre-hardened hydraulic tubing for the barrel.
There’s plenty of metal in it, all held together via 3d printed parts and frame
The only things I needed to buy that I would consider “from a firearm” or “from a gun store” would be the fire control group. Everything else was bought from McMaster Carr or local hardware stores.
Spot on with the woodworking. I’ve made a couple stocks for my grandfather’s old broken long rifles. It’s just more time consuming. (also my 3d printer isn’t that long)
I was mostly thinking of the handgun builds I’ve seen with hand made slide rails but the rest is just a Glock(or whatever else base gun) parts kit for everything else.
That’s awesome and also kind of scary.
What if I told you about “80% receivers” and parts kits that have been in use for decades by hobbyists?
- Individuals who make their own firearms may use a 3D printing process or any other process, as long as the firearm is “detectable” as defined in the Gun Control Act. You do not have to add a serial number or register the [privately made firearm] if you are not engaged in the business of making firearms for livelihood or profit.
“80% receivers” are a weird line in the sand to pick between “random hunk of metal/plastic” and “yeah that’s a gun bro” but words have meaning that (still) have to be defined in law, and you can build a 100%* factory looking gun with zero 3D printed parts and no serial number.
*Depends on your skill with tools and machinery ofc, but can be done with a hand drill and a basic file with enough patience
There’s a whole community for it! There’s a YouTube channel called “Print, Shoot, Repeat” that actually talks about the gun police showed
Yeah 3d printed gun is such a misnomer for most of the “ghost guns”, the gun he had was just the printed frame. That section of the 3d printing community isn’t really my scene but that seems to be what I’ve seen for all the printed guns, lower/frame with barrel and trigger assembly being metal pieces. I think years ago I saw a modern reinterpreting of the WW2 Liberator that was done in all plastic but that’s obviously designed to shoot only once.
I’m sure you know more about the scene than I do and can correct or verify my knowledge.
To add on to what you said, only the lower recievers for most guns have to be registered. Someone could hypothetically get every other upper part for a gun or rifle delivered directly to their door or PO box with no questions asked, and then just hypothetically 3d print the lower reciever.
The ones I have use 3d printed frames, the fire control group and barrels are metal with 3d printed pieces for making the rifling.
All the parts that take repeated heavy abuse are reinforced with extra thickness or different infil, but by weight I’d say it’s about 50/50 metal/plastic.
The 3d printed lowers are quite basic, and since they aren’t designed to take a ton of stress anyway, it’s not really hard to find a decent design.
All my parts are printed in pla+, and I do minimal work afterwards to make things perfect, only what is necessary for the mechanical parts to cycle properly.
I actually haven’t been keeping up the last few years, I wouldn’t be surprised if there are even better methods than the ones I’ve used.
You would think the police would pick someone who wasn’t so photogenic.
somehow the cops just know from grainy 140p footage
was miraculously not shattered into pieces, which happens to all other 3d printed guns.
the very well-built gun has a particular reload quirk that was seen in the surveillance footage
the doubt about not disposing the gun is a fair point. i suppose he either wanted to seed doubt to the prosecution (as someone else claimed below), or just forgot to plan this part
would naturally spend a long period of time sitting in a public place
fair point, but i think he simply settled into routine. this is corroborated by him being “visibly shaken” and not−well-prepared to someone asking him about the murder
including the additional time it would take for the cops to respond and then arrive
he obviously did not know someone tipped him off
a random McDonald s worker
slight correction: a fellow customer told the worker. if the concern here is that he would hide his face to the worker, well he may have dropped his guard after going back to his seat
Grow unibrow and beard
Also, we’re still wondering if the McSnitch is getting their reward money. The last I heard they were thinking about withholding it.
And that would be such a great propaganda point to show that US law enforcement doesn’t regard the rest of us as full persons / citizens and will cheat us out of our due even when we cooperate. So yeah, no-one sees nothing. Ever. You’re a collaborator if you do.
Zero Witnesses.
He’ll get a jersey from the local police department.
I think the local department promised $10K and FBI promised $25K. Even if I don’t like Judas very much, the pharisees not giving him his silver shows the institution was not honorable and deserves what they feared the Christians might do.
That got ecclesiastic.
to be clear on the “3d printed guns explode after 3 shots” thing.
It depends. If it’s 100% 3d printed parts, including bolt/slide and barrel, then yah, a few shots is the most you’d get out of it.
But most “3d printed guns” are using off the shelf barrels and bolts/slides, parts that are usually not registered and tracked. The parts that are register and tracked are usually the parts that hold trigger assemblies and grips, things that can be made of plastic since they’re not directly handling the stress of firing.
So the fact that the gun (the suspect was arrested with) is intact doesn’t mean it was never used. It also doesn’t mean it was definitely the gun used.
The situation still seems weird, but, we’ll see what the different parties have to say on the matter when they go to trial.
It seems like he wanted to get caught. Am I missing something?
Nothing ever happens and everything is a conspiracy
The state would never ever lie to you and cops can always be trusted.
One possibility is that Luigi is just a vaguely similar looking guy who happened to be in the area at the time of the shooting. They found some DNA from a coffee cup or similar that he dumped in a trash can near the scene. So they actually do have real DNA evidence of him being in the proximity. Once they were confident they had air-tight proof that he was in the viscinity, the cops just went ahead and manufactured the rest of the evidence. So Luigi really was by chance near the scene of the crime, but it’s Manhattan, plenty of people were near the scene of the crime.
I mean they’re taking a few liberties there to.my.knowledge but thats close to the official story and it is contusionesque. Unless Luigi wanted to get caught after letting all CEOs cook for a few days.
Which I think would make sense if he wanted to send a message. For example: he lays low and check press coverage to see if they report on it the way he wants. If he doesn’t get the reaction he’s looking for then he can turn himself in and get another chance to speak to the public more directly.
I can see some logic to it.
His goal wasn’t to get away with murder, his goal was to highlight the system in a way that couldn’t be ignored.
But why would him be getting caught be necessary here? The motive was pretty obvious simply due to his role as CEO, and the shell casings removed any doubt. It’s not like his “manifesto” revealed much about his motives that wasn’t obvious from the bullet casings. In terms of sending his message, what did he getting caught actually accomplish?
Like self-immolation, but burn the person who’s actually responsible for the problem.
I don’t buy it… if that was the goal then why would he claim to be innocent after getting caught?
Everything the authorities say is true and there is no possibility of collusion behind closed doors.
Well, everybody does stupid things, and he may have wanted to get caught…
But the entire story is incredibly weird. It looks like those official explanations that say “well, he shot himself on the head and 20 minutes later shot his wife; that’s absolutely the case!”
I think it’s much more likely that he either wanted to be caught, or it could just be that the guy that did something ill advised (killing someone in public while making very little effort to hide his face besides a cloth mask that he pulled down on several occasions) didn’t really have much in the way of a contingency plan.
