Sometimes, the best thing they can do is to not say anything. Walz could have said nothing, and pretty well nobody would have been upset about it.
no campaigning or politicking here, just pure statesman. his words are absolutely appropriate and expected from a government leader.
Ah yes, the actual original meaning of politically correct.
His words were awful and defending a mass murderer that has killed at least tens of thousands of Americans just during his tenure because their boss decided to cheap out is beyond disgusting for a political candidate, much less someone in office that wants to remain in office with all their body parts still attached.
Does he comment on every death? If not, then he shouldn’t say anything here either.
United “Healthcare” is headquartered in Minnesota, and for high profile deaths relevant to the state, yeah he kinda does.
In that case, I wonder just how much “United” “Healthcare” has put in his coffers.
I’m almost certain it’s not zero, I think I saw an article about that a few years ago. UHC, like a lot of companies, throws some money at every viable major politician in the state. That’s where we’re at with how fucked up US politics is.
Apparently they knew eachother personally…
In response to the killing, public officials including Minnesota governor and former Democratic vice president nominee Tim Walz and Senator Amy Klobuchar, expressed dismay and offered condolences to the family. Walz said that he knew Thompson.[26]
It says on the wikipedia page.
Wait until he hears about all the people who have died after getting denied by them.
Which is part of the problem. This whole expectation that our leaders should hide their true feelings and motivations behind a veil of niceties only serves their goals of hiding such things from the people trying to figure out who to vote for. We should know who our politicians are as actual people, since it’s the person they are in private that will motivate their actions within the government, not the nice face they put on for the public.
As I understand it, that is a large part of Trump’s success with certain groups.
Admittedly, that turns off people who don’t agree with what you’re saying…
Politicians have to say a lot of things whether they mean them or not.
I like ex-New York Mayor Ed Koch’s take on voting. “If you agree with me 51% of the time, vote for me. If you agree with me 100% of the time, see a psychiatrist.”
Politicians do NOT have to run a dishonest campaign. They just can’t help themselves. Inb4 the obligatory BoTh SiDeS comment.
We do really seem to be selecting for it based on who wins tho
The winner always lies to get in. The fucked up thing is that the loser does too
Agreed, I think that he should have said nothing or perhaps bring out the point that beyond how people may or may not feel we should not aim to live In a society that privilege vigilante that take justice in there hand as it can quickly slip into a very bad place… I see people suggesting a purge… I would recommend those people go out and meet some of the victims of the Rwandan genocide and see how they feel with there so called brave words…
It’s easy to spout such things using social media because we are anonymous but we do not want such violence to reproduce itself… This is how collateral damage happens. In Montreal an 11 year old child died because of a car bomb that was set by the Rock Machines as retaliation against the Hells Angel’s… No one won that day, we only lost a fraction of our soul as a society when we had to bury a child.
This is the problem, this time someone did a clean shot, what if the killer choses bombs and causes collateral damage. Will any of you sacrifice your children for this so called justice?
Any political that is praising that jackass getting what his due will get my loyalty, that’s for sure.
Loss? What loss, Tim? Besides the families that have been torn apart and sickened over the years by this man and his board of ghouls? I see none.
Here ya go! | || || |_
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Tim Walz isn’t a very progressive politician to use as an example, he was the moderate that the DNC threw on to balance out Kamala’s campaign promises to tax the rich and legalize weed.
Tim Walz’s former congress chair was a deep red district before he won there. He’s a zionist.
it’s weird that you thought the goal was selecting a “very progressive politician”? if you want to, let me know why you think that.
it’s pretty clear to me that OOP’s goal is to select a representative of establishment and the DNC. as a literal dem vp pick, walz is definitely representative of establishment in the democratic party.
It’s a “both sides bad” meme at its core generalizing a large group on the words of a few. The reason he was the VP pick is because he was more conservative than the presidential nominee.
LMAO girl i thought we were over this. ur part of a free country; you are quite simply allowed to criticize both sides of the aisle for its flaws. i hope u kno that, if not … get well soon 🙏
Makes it all the more ironic that he was less neoliberal than her in the ways that actually mattered.
Neoliberalism isn’t a real thing, no group or ideology with any representation fits any definition of it, the only people who use that word are tankies and conservative puppets.
Blanket _term_0 ideology isn’t a thing, it’s just parroted by blanket_term_1 & blanket_term_2 ideologies.
Ah man, you really hit me with the No_You there
please say this is satire i can’t tell 🤣
Neoliberalism fell out of favor globally, as shown by Biden’s doubling down on nationalistic trade practices, but liberalism is corrupt enough on its own.
The bare definition of Liberal means to advocate for personal freedoms, including but not limited freedoms enshrined in law such as marriage, religion, speech, and press. It is often associated with capitalism in terms of political affiliation. “Neoliberal (New Liberal)” is just some shit that Tankies came up with because they get flamed every time they complain about regular Liberals.
No, neoliberalism is a term created by free market liberals to promote deregulation. It’s an actual ideology that dominated from Reagan until the Great Recession, when its practices began to fall out of favor with the right and left. Trump was the break away from it, explicitly opposing everything to do with liberalism. Biden moved away from it towards the social liberalism of the past, but it was too little, too late.
One of the “best” ideas from neoliberalism was for economies to become mutually dependent on one another. The idea was to deregulate and remove trade barriers so countries would specialize in what their unregulated economies excelled at. Unfortunately, this deregulation made life worse for the workers, driving them away from liberalism and towards populist alternatives.
If the country was lucky, socialism would win out over fascism, but the owning class naively thinks that fascism would benefit them more than socialism. They don’t understand that their selfish bullshit rots the foundations of society, ultimately making everything worse for everyone.
You don’t need a new term for that, they already have “Laissez Faire Capitalists” or even just “Capitalists”.
Any form of liberalism that leads to decreased rights and opportunities, including ideology of stripping away protections, is by definition no longer liberalism.
this is such a silly point to make
by the same logic, any form of fascism that leads to alienation or othering in the creation of an outgroup against the symbolism of the fasces in unity and collective strength… is by definition no longer fascism
so silly 😛
Ah, but it supposedly doesn’t lead to decreased rights and opportunities! 😉
It was really just an excuse for promoting global capitalism, but most liberals sadly bought into it.
jfc what is wrong with this country when legalizing weed and taxing the rich are ideas that need to be balanced out by a “moderate.”
The vast majority of pundits in hindsight have noted that the Harris Campaign’s attempt to attract moderates and turn over conservatives failed spectacularly.
You and he were… buddies, weren’t you?
So close to being a empathetic human while not being a corporate shill.
Bourgeois parties support bourgeois fat cats? Nihil novi. A proletarian mass party must be built urgently. Revolutionary Communists of America do a lot of laudable effort in that direction.
You can’t get elected in the USA if your party calls itself Communist.
Yes that’s why the rotten system of choosing a slave master every few years, of the duopoly of parties which are equally complicit in war crimes and are on the payslip of big business must be replaced with bottom-up system of lively democracy within worker, student and tenant councils
google translates from latin
so true!
And nobody ever sees or hears from them.
The next time someone says “we gotta get behind the Dem nominee to stop ______” HUNT THEM DOWN AND BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THEM ON NATIONAL TELEVISION
Funny how the politicians and the media react with horror, but the entire rest of the Internet has an entirely different reaction. I wonder why.
Class consciousness
idk what that is but sounds an awful lot like the term “woke” … blocked
beautiful downvotes
my sense of satire is too powerful for yall
Please don’t make a comment talking about your downvotes, it does not make people like you more.
why do you think i care
Don’t be a Schrödinger’s Douchebag… Poe’s Law is still a thing, the comment you made, I’ve heard many times unironically/unsatirically.
Can’t hear tone in text, remember that. Next time, use the tone indicators, they’re there for a reason. No matter how obvious it may be to you, to most of us, you’re still a stranger.
Tone indicators take the fun out of it for me. I’ll risk the downvotes (like my most recent comment).
As opposed to whatever sort of douchebag you’re being?
yo chill, not necessary
It’s lemmy. Nothing we do here is necessary. And most of it isn’t valuable in any remarkable way.
the comment you are responding to is my tone tag after seeing i pushed the line and looking at the votes it has successfully corrected the record. also idgaf what you think of me really
A person died, murdered in cold blood. They need to be respectful. Would you prefer they celebrate the execution of mass murderers on death row?
Politicians and media celebrate killings or Arab leaders all the time…
It’s a horrendous thing. To see a person killed before thier time when they didn’t have to die. Just like what happens to thousands of Americans each year who are denied coverage. If we’re actually honest with ourselves, the only reason this one is seen as a tragedy by politicians and CEOs is that there was no profit to be had in it.
John Brown Did Nothing Wrong
The CEO got shot just two days after the anniversary of John Brown’s execution. I’m sure JB smiled upon this assassin from the afterlife.
Yes but saying the mass murderers death is a terrible lost to society is kind of silly, no?
Who said that? I’m talking about the human, not the employee. We’re also talking about official political and news statements, not public discourse.
He had a family. Seriously. The media or politicians publicly telling his children, “We’re all happy your dad is dead because of his career choice!” just doesn’t resonate with me.
There are many stories of people being confronted with the fact that their beloved grandfather or uncle or whoever had been a nazi who killed hundreds of people in the holocaust. Should we soften the discussion of that evil to protect the feeling of their descendants? This man’s children should live with the fact that every comfort they have in life was purchased with the blood and tears of people their father considered worthless.
I’m talking about the human, not the employee.
They’re one in the same, he had power, he could have changed things. He MADE the decisions he did, he CHOSE to pump up those denial numbers and profits at the expense of human life. Nobody is forced to be a CEO.
Fuck. Him.
That’s a one-dimensional reduction of a human being. I’m sorry, but I’m just not that closed-minded.
You haven’t actually suggested any way in which the guy’s work and behaviour could be viewed “three-dimensionally”. While I can agree that discourse especially online slips into dehumanisation of (real or imagined) enemies too easily… this is really not a case where this is the incorrect approach.
Edit: Regarding the guy’s family, I can agree that they did not deserve the death of the father/husband. But that does not really concern the guy by himself, his own moral character, it’s someone else’s problem. When a criminal gets sent to jail or executed, does anyone really give a crap about how much his family will suffer from that? Not really, the criminal is assumed to be a morally independent being that can tell right from wrong by himself, and his failure to do that is his own.
I agree, It is really sad for the family of this guy, and I feel bad for them.
That being said, I feel WORSE for the millions of families who have lost a family member due to this CEOs sociopathic decisions.
I think you put it really well with the criminal comparison. This CEO was a criminal, just one that was above the law of the US, who was never going to be brought to justice for his crimes in any other way.
Oh. So you mean exactly how insurance company CEOs and their boards do? Every. Single. Day.
They sure won’t care about reducing you to a one-dimensional number on an excel spreadsheet.
Imagine defending a sociopath and then having the utter gall to claim the moral high ground.
Tim Walz is a sociopath? He’s who I’m defending. I’m not saying a single nice thing about the CEO. I’m saying his death devastated his family.
Hitler had children
Not a person, a CEO. Big difference.
Poor people get murdered all the time. It’s not what they said, it’s that they chose to say something at all.
That’s not a great comparison, because no mass murderer on death row has ever come close to the level of deaths this CEO is responsible for.
Define what “cold blood” means to you. To me it sounds like you mean the assassin didn’t have a motive, and seeing as this CEO directly profited from denying people live saving healthcare, there’s a pretty fucking big motivation.
Cold blood usually just means as opposed to “hot blood”, that is, in the heat of the moment. People say it as if it makes it particularly bad, but really, it’s almost a synonym for “premeditated”.
i find it’s always helpful to follow the money in these situations. obviously we were all paid off by Big Woke. we’re financially invested in these institutions being seen as murderous. obviously.
Careful not everyone gets the 😉.
this one passed the vibe check fortunately but u right, made a joke about class consciousness and it didn’t ring well
Maybe because people on the internet are anonymous?
… you say under a post with their full legal name on display
Gork is their name?
Yes, I am the Original Gork. All others are pretenders.
Do you and Mork keep in touch?
The actual post. The picture. The OP. Original picture. That one. Not the one your talking about. The one in the picture.
Funny how the politicians and the media react with horror, but the entire rest of the Internet has an entirely different reaction. I wonder why.
Posted anonymously by someone calling themselves ‘Gork’
The thing I responded to.
If it means that much to you I’ll edit it to ‘mostly anonymous.’
That’s not what I nor the person you were talking to ment. We are talking about the person in the picture who put their whole name on the exact thing your talking about. Are you really going to try and pretend you understood that and replied appropriately?
How do you know what I meant?
I replied to Gork’s post because Gork posted anonymously.
I find this amusing, so I’ll keep responding.
or maybe because they are working class instead of a sheltered Ivy League graduate elite
Dunno. Thoughts and prayers is seen as some as politicaleze for bless your heart.
I think Governor Walz is successfully threading the needle here.
i will believe this if at any point in the near future the man comments on the popular reaction to this event in relation to the need for national healthcare.
he won’t but that’s what i would believe if he did.
During the campaign I’ve seen Walz described as down-to-earth, approachable and attractive to the working class voter base.
Fucking yikes.
I mean, it’s one thing for random citizens like us to celebrate this, but a prominent politicians acting like that would be highly inappropriate honestly.
Coulda said nothing.
True, yeah
at the same time tho, this is legitimately the worst thing i’ve seen/heard about him. i wouldn’t be surprised if he was currently being groomed for a presidential run fucken 4 years from now.
if that’s the case they are clearly grooming him to lose again.
Well, if they don’t lose, then they have to worry about making it look like they’re doing stuff to improve the lives of Americans. It’s so much work, doing your damn job.
It’s all they know
As it was said on Some More News. The democrats should harness the hatred towards the rich elites instead of playing into Trump’s anti-immigrant game.
That’s not how political parties work, though. Political parties are largely ideological institutions, they exist first and foremost not to win elections but to propagate an ideology, and winning the election is just a sign that they succeeded in their goal of convincing people of their ideology, and so now enough people agree that it can take root in the state. When political parties lose, it’s very rare that they will interpret their loss as “we need to abandon all our values to match the opinion polls.” No, they interpret their loss as meaning they failed in their goal of convincing people of their values, and thus should change their strategy of their out-reach, not changing their whole ideological position.
Democrats going against the rich elites would be an abandonment of their party’s values and everything they stand for. In most countries, if you dislike the ideology of a party, you vote for someone else. The party itself has no obligation to change its entire ideology for you, such a thing very rarely occurs. If that was the case, then every political party would all have the exact same position, just all copy/pastes of whatever the opinion polls say.
I keep seeing all this bizarre rhetoric about how if the Democrats were “smart” they would just abandon their whole party’s platform and adopt some other platform, but this makes zero sense, because you have to consider motivation. Their motivation is not to just win the election, but to convince you of their ideology, and abandoning their ideology does not achieve this. Democrats are not stupid, they just don’t have the same motivations as you. Yes, they want to win, but they ultimately want to win on their platform, not on someone else’s platform.
That’s how political parties work. They have a platform, and the platform is paramount. If a green party adopted all pro-coal and pro-oil lobby positions just to win an election, that would not be a “smart” decision for them, because, even if it leads to their victory, it still is an abandonment of their ideology. Democrats are unabashedly a pro-rich elite party, it should not be smart for them to become anti-elite, because it is not aligned with their motivations.
no! we need to become transphobic!
(satire)
Politicians are almost all sociopaths, not even trying to be funny. Sometimes they do things you like and sometimes they dont, but that never has anything to do with the interests and priorities of citizens. They are just people whose job is acting their entire life according to some doctrine, they dont have real personalities.
The political system we live under is rotting. It’s holding us back, suffocating real democracy, and clinging to relics of an era we should’ve buried centuries ago. Why are we still pretending centralized power structures, dominated by presidents and parliaments, are the best we can do? It’s time to turn the whole thing upside down. Imagine power flowing not from the top down but bubbling up from councils—real, grassroots bodies in towns, workplaces, and universities where people directly decide what matters to them. No presidents. No untouchable elites. Just democracy as it was meant to be: local, participatory, and alive.
Critics say that direct democracy would be too costly and cumbersome in large countries. But that’s a lie told to make us think power belongs anywhere but in our hands. The truth is, it doesn’t work their way—infrequent, clunky referenda that barely scratch the surface of what real participation looks like. But why not councils that meet regularly, that use technology we already have to count votes and hear every voice? Why not frequent, transparent, and accessible decision-making? We have the tools. What we lack is the will—and that’s on us.
And about the politicians. They’ve turned ruling into a career. They live above us, pocket bribes, rub shoulders with CEOs, and laugh at the idea of accountability. Enough. All representatives should be recallable at any time, earning no more than the median worker’s salary. Partial sortition (random official selection) could ensure even more fairness. It worked in ancient Greece which was (for the free male citizens ofc) closer to actual democracy than the unaccountable neo-aristocratic order we have today, so why not today when we have the formal equality before the law and equal rights, but we know the reality.
But if no one will be above anyone because everyone will get their chance to actually change something about the world and their life without running into the stone walls of the system, it will be a complete revolution in human relations that will uproot the poisonous root of disdain so many feel for their fellow humans for simply being worse off than them.
Imagine a system where politics isn’t about who has power but about how power flows and where the needs of the people are actually heard and resolved. Blockchain (and no, I’m abso-fucking-lutely not a cryptobro. PoW is still useful for things like captcha replacements but the whole thing is the biggest example of capitalism’s way of turning useful and promising inventions into means of speculation and outright scams by and large) could be used to make the process more transparent than ever. It’s not the technology that hold us back, but their fear of us using it to take what’s ours.
Term limits, too. No one should sit in power long enough to forget what life is like for the rest of us. Politics should be service, not a career. If we’re serious about democracy, every single one of us—no matter how “uneducated” we’re told we are—needs to learn how to govern. Because democracy isn’t just voting for the lesser evil every few years. It’s taking the reins of your life, your community, your future. It’s about ruling instead of being ruled.
Here’s the thing: the ruling class will not go quietly. When we start to take real power into our hands, they’ll fight back. They’ll use every dirty trick in the book to claw it back. That’s how this game works. But if we stand together, if we build a united force that can’t be undermined, if we refuse to let fear or complacency stop us—then they lose. And we win something they can never take away: the power to determine our destiny. That’s what’s at stake. Let’s stop settling for scraps. It’s time to demand the whole damn table.
Democrats never saw a billionaire or war they didn’t love.
the billionaire surveillance guy wants us all to start wearing glasses that record everything.
that is to protect the billionaire surveillance guy not to protect the rest of us just like cops wearing body cams is not to protect non-cops. they would even build in a way to remotely disable the bodycams if they could.
surprise surprise.
