• finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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    17 days ago

    Tim Walz isn’t a very progressive politician to use as an example, he was the moderate that the DNC threw on to balance out Kamala’s campaign promises to tax the rich and legalize weed.

    Tim Walz’s former congress chair was a deep red district before he won there. He’s a zionist.

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      it’s weird that you thought the goal was selecting a “very progressive politician”? if you want to, let me know why you think that.

      it’s pretty clear to me that OOP’s goal is to select a representative of establishment and the DNC. as a literal dem vp pick, walz is definitely representative of establishment in the democratic party.

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        17 days ago

        It’s a “both sides bad” meme at its core generalizing a large group on the words of a few. The reason he was the VP pick is because he was more conservative than the presidential nominee.

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          LMAO girl i thought we were over this. ur part of a free country; you are quite simply allowed to criticize both sides of the aisle for its flaws. i hope u kno that, if not … get well soon 🙏

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      jfc what is wrong with this country when legalizing weed and taxing the rich are ideas that need to be balanced out by a “moderate.”

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        The vast majority of pundits in hindsight have noted that the Harris Campaign’s attempt to attract moderates and turn over conservatives failed spectacularly.

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      17 days ago

      Makes it all the more ironic that he was less neoliberal than her in the ways that actually mattered.

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        Neoliberalism isn’t a real thing, no group or ideology with any representation fits any definition of it, the only people who use that word are tankies and conservative puppets.

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          Blanket _term_0 ideology isn’t a thing, it’s just parroted by blanket_term_1 & blanket_term_2 ideologies.

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          Neoliberalism fell out of favor globally, as shown by Biden’s doubling down on nationalistic trade practices, but liberalism is corrupt enough on its own.

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            The bare definition of Liberal means to advocate for personal freedoms, including but not limited freedoms enshrined in law such as marriage, religion, speech, and press. It is often associated with capitalism in terms of political affiliation. “Neoliberal (New Liberal)” is just some shit that Tankies came up with because they get flamed every time they complain about regular Liberals.

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              No, neoliberalism is a term created by free market liberals to promote deregulation. It’s an actual ideology that dominated from Reagan until the Great Recession, when its practices began to fall out of favor with the right and left. Trump was the break away from it, explicitly opposing everything to do with liberalism. Biden moved away from it towards the social liberalism of the past, but it was too little, too late.

              One of the “best” ideas from neoliberalism was for economies to become mutually dependent on one another. The idea was to deregulate and remove trade barriers so countries would specialize in what their unregulated economies excelled at. Unfortunately, this deregulation made life worse for the workers, driving them away from liberalism and towards populist alternatives.

              If the country was lucky, socialism would win out over fascism, but the owning class naively thinks that fascism would benefit them more than socialism. They don’t understand that their selfish bullshit rots the foundations of society, ultimately making everything worse for everyone.

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                You don’t need a new term for that, they already have “Laissez Faire Capitalists” or even just “Capitalists”.

                Any form of liberalism that leads to decreased rights and opportunities, including ideology of stripping away protections, is by definition no longer liberalism.

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                  this is such a silly point to make

                  by the same logic, any form of fascism that leads to alienation or othering in the creation of an outgroup against the symbolism of the fasces in unity and collective strength… is by definition no longer fascism

                  so silly 😛

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                  Ah, but it supposedly doesn’t lead to decreased rights and opportunities! 😉

                  It was really just an excuse for promoting global capitalism, but most liberals sadly bought into it.

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                    You know why the Laissez Faire Capitalism term fell off so much that you might never have even heard of it? Because hardly anybody exists who actually subscribes to that bullshit. Your supposition that “liberals sadly bought into” it is merely your delusion fueled by propaganda.