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It works on the other side too - e.g. “I’m vegan btw, and voting to restrict access to your ability to eat meat”.
The difference seems to be that there was no incentive for Putin to set vegans vs. meat eaters against one another, while he very much is getting a ton out of having set conservatives against liberals. Whatever way we choose to fight one another, he wins.
I realize your point is that Russia is trying to find any wedge issue they can to cause infighting, but that was a frustrating example.
A lot of Trump supporters are voting to cause direct harm to marginalized groups, and have made it a part of their daily identity. “If I caught a man using the same bathroom as my daughter, I’d fuck him up.” (real quote from someone I know)
A vegan voting to get rid of meat subsidies simply doesn’t want to pay for your meat. Or voting for animal rights isn’t voting to cause you direct harm like blocking crucial medical care. Also, most vegans usually keep to themselves. The only reason it seems like they tell everyone is how often they are asked, “wait, are you vegetarian?” every time they dare to order tofu/veggies instead of meat.
Source: I’m not even vegan or vegetarian, but have probably been asked a hundred times. I can only imagine how often a vegan is asked that question.
Uh…who’s voting to restrict access to meat again? What rights are “the other side” trying to restrict?
What party in the US wants to restrict access to meat?
Didn’t you hear? Joe Biden wants to take your meat!
It works on the other side too - e.g. “I’m vegan btw, and voting to restrict access to your ability to eat meat”.
Who’s doing this?
The difference seems to be that there was no incentive for Putin to set vegans vs. meat eaters against one another,
Oh, you sweet summer child.
This! ^^^
Although even if a person appears to be decent human being, if they voted for Trump that tells you everything you need to know about who they really are. The whole “when people tell you who they are, believe them” deal.
While true the level of obnoxiousness when having to be around them for a bit certainly gets a lot worse with the “entire personality” type.
Oh, absolutely.
I have a family member that doesn’t get this (thankfully just the one). It’s not that he voted for Trump, it’s all the shit he says. The casual “haha jk” racism when I introduced him to a Hispanic friend of mine. The fact that he will loudly talk about some things specifically to upset or annoy people. The fact that he thinks politics is a team sport and Trump’s win is a personal victory for him that somehow means he “beat” the rest of us.
“It’s not because you voted for Trump. It’s because you’re the kind of person who would vote for Trump.”
Some of them, I assume, are good people.
Do we have the same dad?
Edit: Actually we cant be related, because this describes both parents, my little brother, and all my aunts/uncles/cousins, and grandparents and you said “One person”.
Aren’t these people basically hive mind?
I remember when they’d accuse everyone of being NPCs, then use the same collection of vapid catchphrases ad nauseum.
Hit the nail on the head. I am surrounded by conservatives at work. I’m friends with most. There is a huge difference between someone who leans right and the online MAGA trolls. They simply believe everything they see on Fox News.
We do have one guy who is like that, and everyone collectively rolls their eyes every time he says something. Everyone has met someone like this… tries to say something provocative, and acts surprised when someone is offended. “Oooohhh you can’t say anything anymore. It was a joke!”
Visceral proof that conservatism is a legitimate mental disorder. Good on the kids, they’ll very likely have the outstanding thanksgiving they deserve.
All he had to do was acknowledge their differences and keep his mouth shut. That’s the rule in my family. Someone brings up politics and we say, “let’s not do that.” and move on. If they insist, they end up on the porch alone, grumbling to themselves.
I’ve always thought this was one of the most dangerous ideas ever to gain widespread acceptance, and we are currently seeing exactly why. If somebody’s politics are so terrible that civil discussion is impossible, why on earth would you want to associate with them? This is how we coddle terrible ideas and let them quietly fester with a vanier of false civility. The seeds of MAGA should never have been allowed to take root.
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Yeah, we should just disengage from everyone, isolate them further, and vote like earlier this month.
That’ll solve it.
I can’t wait for all the violence and blood and gore that is coming. I really can’t. (Not accusing you for advocating for it, but goddamn I see it constantly on here).
I really didn’t wanna type some big long thing out. Still this needs to be said.
When I was a kid, I didn’t know anyone who wasn’t a racist. When I was a kid, I didn’t know anyone who wasn’t homophobe. I knew two openly gay people, and they were bullied and shunned by everyone.
Those same people today are treated with respect in the same community that I lived in 30 years ago that treated them with none.
I never heard anything positive about the people who lived on the other side of my segregated neighborhood. The neighborhood was segregated, not because of law at that point in time, but because families continued to pass these homes down. Nobody referred to the identical neighborhood across the tracks by its name. They called it n word camp.
Do you know what changed all of that? The end of isolation.
Take your big, bold stands against fascism. Let it fester all by itself. Talk amongst yourselves in your little echo chambers and watch civilization collapse before your very eyes.
That is the problem. The problem is these fucking algorithms that divide the information that people receive. That is where the isolation starts, and we’re throwing our hands up in the air at half of the fucking people we live among, we give them fuel to be our enemies.
This ancient tribal bullshit has to stop.
Leaving people in their echo chambers Is what is causing these dangerous ideas to gain widespread acceptance.
You’re not going to change the world by ignoring the people you don’t agree with.
You know what? I can’t help but be a nihilist. Everywhere I look our fucking monkeys pounding their chest, gritting their teeth and demanding blood.
The so-called “righteous” demand violence. The so-called “deplorables” demanded violence.
Everyone you talk to demands this segregation.
So what is the game here? What does everybody hope to gain from? Never speaking to their fucking mother again?
Get off my nuts, world. I’m burned out with this shit.
Someone needs to just destroy the Internet.
My intention is not that we segregate, but that we not coddle bigotry and reactionary politics in our associations. Politics and interpersonal human connections are not two separate realms. Your politics and morality feed off each-other. Blurring differences beneath a veneer of politeness is just social isolation in geometric proximity. This has been the dominant social mode for decades, and it didn’t stop society from getting where it is now.
It’s really easy to blame the internet, but I’m old enough to remember the before times, and the differences are mostly cosmetic. (Although I agree with your comment on social media algorithms.) Rush Limbaugh dominated talk radio a decade before most people even heard of the Internet. Even back then we all had all the same toxic people who’s company was tolerated, not appreciated. The civil war obviously predated even radio, and the build up was not all that dissimilar to what we have today.
Conservatives need us more than we need them. When it comes right down to it, rich culture is a feature of liberal or leftist thinking. There is a reason why Republicans keep using music at their rallies that gets them sued. We have the best artists, the best scientists, the best comedians, the best lovers, and the most generous people. We have creative business leaders and they have scam artists. We build technology and they abuse it. We stand up for women, and they are incels or human traffickers.
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Pretty obvious that this guy is a stupid asshole, so makes sense. Congrats to his daughters for telling him to fuck himself. I had a parent who said incredibly stupid shit like the “liberalism is a mental disorder” line I would not talk to them either.
“Liberalism is a mental disorder” These people are very telling how they treat people who they think legitimately have mental illness.
Conservatives 🤝 Liberals
“The political positions I dislike are caused by mental illness”Socialists: "Hey guys maybe we could try not denigrating mental disorders? Maybe we could try building a left wing that welcomes and accepts the neurodivergent and marginalised?
Liberals: “Fuck you, we’ll never accept psychopaths like Trump!”
Socialists: “I never agreed with you that Trump is a psychopath. We don’t have to accept Trump in order to treat ASPD folks with dignity!”
Liberals: “You’re disgusting, enabling abusers like that. If we treat psychopaths with basic dignity, they’ll only use it to abuse us!”
Words like psychopath have a common usage for people not in psychology/psychiatry. I’m sorry that we’re not meeting the clinical definition that you want, but I don’t think ranting about it all over Lemmy is going to help anything.
When the average nonspecialist individual thinks “psychopath” they think of someone like Hannibal Lecter, who is dangerous and must be locked up to prevent them harming others, and that’s not going to change from a short form text post. It would take a semester of psychology.
Not having empathy should be cause for at least suspicion in and of itself
That’s a very vague statement. You didn’t specify which type of empathy. For example, cognitive empathy is the ability to intuit what other people are thinking. Autistic people tend to have less cognitive empathy, which is related to the poor social skills. It’s hard to participate in social situations when you have a clinically significant inability to read minds. Drag doesn’t think you want to treat autistic people with suspicion, so why don’t you work on clarifying your statement to an appropriate level of specificity?
Then we should make psychology a compulsory subject in high school.
Yeah drag, we probably should. More education is pretty much always good
Unfortunately, most Lemmy users are past high school age, so we’ll have to educate them ourselves.
Yeah, but remember the honey and vinegar metaphor.
Actually, flies love vinegar. It smells like rotting flesh, which is a great place to go lay eggs.
This unintuitive fact matches the truth that being rude to people is an important part of the process of personal growth. Getting people to change takes a carrot AND a stick. When they do change, they’ll remember the carrot more easily. But the stick is important too. You can see this politically with the fact that the government likes to praise MLK for his nonviolent methods, but Malcolm X is the one who got Reagan to pass gun control laws in California. MLK’s movement was threatening because the politicians knew that if they didn’t work with the nonviolent protesters, those protesters would join movements like the Black Panthers. Likewise, rude leftists encourage people to be more open to listening to the polite leftists in their lives. The rude ones raise the stakes.
The name of that socialist? Albert Einstein.
And everyone clapped.
Yeah, that definitely sounds like a real conversation.
Oh, so now they’re delusional too?!
/S
With lines like “[your political opinion] is a mental disorder”, why is he surprised they aren’t coming?
what would you call trump voters?
Touché
It’s kinda sad that we ended up in this political division. It’s also sad that increasing hate and and anxiety (and missing education and reasoning) fuels this dumpfire of societal development. That doesn’t really increase hope in the future, as stuff like climate change further accelerates this…
I don’t see it so much a political division as it is that most of the world is simply not very intelligent.
It’s both, and not a contradiction? But I’d say the USA is indeed more progressed with this. Like both sides. They got really intelligent people but a lot of dumb people. Compared to other western societies, more, the toll of slowly erroding education and the split between poor and rich is progressing harder. Same with things like obesity which as we know of research is bad for brain development (rather the food that leads to this).
Yes I think intelligence is a spectrum and that neither side is more “correct” than the other.
I think there’s good and bad ideas from both sides depending on your perspective, and we have to concede that nobody has all the answers, and that we don’t know what we don’t know.
Probably… For me it’s more about the things that should be obvious, like burning fossil-fuels will extremely likely lead us in a worse state. But it seems that a big percentage of the western population doesn’t want to believe facts and logical reasoning anymore and I think this is a very dangerous thing, as we have seen in 1920-1945.
I’d call Trump voters Trump voters. I’m not sure I understand the question.
I’m just pointing out that both sides think the other is dumb.
And I don’t think either side is correct.
You think I’m unaware that some Harris voters would say “Conservatism is a mental disorder”? Is that your point?
And this is exactly why I don’t affiliate with either major party.
I used to consider myself Republican because I was frustrated at the majority party (Democrat) always messing stuff up in my home state. I ended up moving for school to a red state, and the majority party there was always messing stuff up. It was then I realized that the problem isn’t with one party, it’s with politics in general.
I registered with the largest third party in my state (happens to be Libertarian) and I vote for whatever candidate I think is least bad. In 2016, that was Gary Johnson, in 2020 it was Joe Biden, and in 2024 it was Chase Oliver. It doesn’t really matter who I vote for because the R candidate will always win with at least 20% margin, so I vote my conscience.
I’m not saying both sides are the same, I’m saying both sides age liars and massive disappointments.
Ignorant or malicious
but the right says the same about the left
It’s tough having special needs children.
It’s tougher having a special needs dad. As in “I’m special and need everything my way.” When what he really needs is a large injection of empathy.
This is so sad.
Those three women deserve a better dad.
Said the man who made his political opinion his whole twitter profile.
Last sentence is right. It is very sad.
Seems to me that the kids are almost certainly having thanksgiving, just not inviting their father.
FAFO
I let them vote how they wish
How wholesome
That’s all you need to know about this shit stain.
Isn’t he generous.
That was the word I was thinking of but couldn’t find.
Bless his heart.
“I didn’t personally infringe on their rights at all”
All while voting against their interests. Sounds like a wonderful father.
That stuck out the most
But they certainly can’t do what they want with their own body! Why won’t they talk to me?? 😭
God I kind of wish my parents would vote for Trump so I could avoid Thanksgiving and take the days off to get other shit done.
I mean… Just… Don’t go?
You’re your own person, do whatever the fuck you want, if they’re not happy then so be it, if they love you they’ll understand, if they don’t then good riddance.
Politics breaking up families like this is always fucking weird to me
I put a planet between my dad and me.
“Politics”. Bro, he’s going to start mass deportations, that’s fucking breaking up families, dipshit.
Yeah, I really love to sit with the people ranting about how sick I am in the head and that I should kill myself. Yeah I tried to, you stopped me, because you don’t know who I am.
We don’t usually talk about this sort of stuff with families
And I don’t understand how someone can casually vote for a wannabe hitler and then just pretend nothing happened.
We often just vote and that’s that, really
Americans in 1945: Yay, we killed Hitler!
Americans in 2024: Yay, we elected Hitler!Lol found a Russian bot
I’m Finnish but (geographically) close I guess
