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A bag of dried chickpeas makes for two weeks worth of hummus.
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As long as you remember that without tahini, garlic, olive oil, salt and some lemon juice all you’re getting is pureed chickpeas.
Maybe if you’re a hummus eating coward!..
Or you get a very big bag…
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I have a union and still just scraping by. But if I didn’t have the union I’d have drowned by now
Ducks are delicious and eat the way you describe. If I eat ducks I’m eating those things once removed and enjoying it, too.
Hey man if you have a legal place to hunt, go wild!
Buying anything but the cheapest of meats these days is eye watering.
Where potato
I feel like since they are mostly water weight, the math doesn’t always look great. But let’s go through it!
For example: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Russet-Potatoes-10-lb-Bag-Whole/10449951?classType=REGULAR&from=/search
10 pounds of food for $3 sounds great, but in a pound there is only 300 calories about, depending on type/peel/etc. So 3,000 calories for 3 dollars. At $1 per 1000 calories it isn’t bad.
But let’s compare to this 5 pound bag of flour for 2.38, at 3 cents an ounce:
https://www.walmart.com/search?q=flour
A pound of flour has 1,600 calories. So this bag of flour that is cheaper than the potatoes, has 8000 calories for 2.50. But you’ll need to put in some elbow grease to make it edible. Doing a sourdough is probably the cheapest way to do it since all you need is flour, water, salt, and the starter you made using flour, but it is more time intensive. So about 3,200 calories for a dollar.
Rice comes in with a very similar amount of calories, but just a little more expensive at 4 cents an ounce:
Rice is a bit easier to turn edible though, so the extra dollar might be worth it for a 5 pound bag. 2,400 calories per dollar spent.
Then oatmeal comes in as our most expensive at 7 cents an ounce.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KV4H51G?tag=sacapuntas9-20&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1
At once again 1600ish calories for a pound of dry oatmeal, it is 1.12 per pound. So it is creeping up closer to the price of potatoes TBH, and if you were super on a budget the oatmeal would be the first to go. But I suppose potatoes aren’t “that” much worse than oatmeal. But my thought was oatmeal is good breakfast option so wanted to include it, and the top bit is mostly setup for bottom.
Knowing this stuff is helpful to our daily lives because rich people hate us.
I think you need to include energy cost in the preparation stage. Bread requires a hot oven, which is a real amount of electricity — it’s close to $0.40/kWh where I live. From this link it says that a bread maker uses only .36kWh, but an electric oven would be more like 1.6kWh. So bakita single loaf of bread, you end up with a not insubstantial fraction of the total cost going to heating the oven.
Of course, many bulk foods require heat, so it gets a little sticky this way. Oats/oatmeal probably wins out here, as you can just soak them overnight.
energy costs could probably be significantly reduced if the cooking was done on an industrial scale, so that most of the head goes into the food
It takes less time to cook than bread, but most other proteins take a bit of time to cook as well.
Good point! Rice makers are super efficient, so rice made with that might be the winner. But honestly the cheap carbs you can stand and make edible cheaply are probably just what you gotta go with.
I’m sure all of this is correct, but you’re forgetting one thing: potatoes are the only one of these you can grow enough of to eat at home, as long as you have space for a bucket or sack or two of soil, and which basically require zero processing aside from applying heat to consume.
I agree with you that we shouldn’t actually need to know or use any of this information, and as a poor disabled person I also know that growing your own food isn’t always an option for everyone, but if it is an option, I think it at the very least puts potatoes back in the running.
You absolutely got me there! I mentioned making your own sour dough, but didn’t factor in growing potatoes.
Only slightly related. One weird thing I noticed when moving to Japan is that peanuts and beans were way more expensive than the US. I guess the equivalent here would be moyashi (bean sprouts) and cabbage.
Interesting! What is considered the cheap source of proteins over there? Is it just soy?
soy (in the form of edamame, tofu, and natto) is probably the cheapest option. Eggs are usually next on the list for people over here.
Edit: seafood might or might not be an option before eggs depending upon where one lives. Organ meat as well as we eat heart, liver, etc. a lot here as well.
Ok but for real tho. The average American severely underestimates how far you can get on rice, beans, lentils and chickpeas.
Serious question, if I live off just that, I end up feeling like absolute garbage. That’s even with supplementing it with greens like spinach and some other veggies and vitamin supplements. What am I missing?
Like, macro-wise, I can replace meat and other things, but it doesn’t seem to hit the same?
Would you care to elaborate on what you feel like when you try living on plants? What do you tend to eat? How long does it take before you start feeling like shit?
Judging by your last comment about it “not hitting the same” my initial thought is that the issue might not even be nutritional, possibly more psychological/subjective.
Maybe a shot of insulin, from the sounds of it.
Every plant is trying to kill you. It doesn’t want to be eaten. It especially doesn’t want you to eat its seeds. We can detoxify most of the ones that people eat, but it costs
Eating the same plants over again can make you sick
You may not be as good at detoxifying those plants as the people who do well eating them
I know I’m a lot healthier with no plants in my diet than I have been with lots of plants
Get a blood test. You could have a micronutrient deficiency. It is common to develop either vitamin D, B or iron deficiencies when you cut meat since they just aren’t as abundant outside of red meat and organ meat.
I end up feeling like absolute garbage.
Maybe, not cooking it well enough? Try changing your recipes, perhaps? Maybe more variety in spices?
Gram, pulses and dried beans (rehydrated before eating) with rice, tend to make my favourite recipes
and even though I use milk products, I feel pretty good even if it is lemonade with black-salt instead.Oh, it tastes fine, I’m saying like…energy-wise and sugar-crash-wise I feel bad. Just wondering if I’m missing something.
sugar-crash-wise
I meant the same thing.
And I seldom put sugar in my lemonade.
The rice seems to do the job
Fruit?
You probably need a fattier diet for your nutrition needs, since the diet listed is a carbs-and-protein diet. Try having way more nut butters / olive oil / other healthy fats
Don’t know what you’re missing because we don’t know everything you eat
Spinach gives iron so based off the information it’s not that
Rice amd beans is the most important thing on my region’s diet. You just can’t live without eating it at least once.
YOU ARE A FOOL AND THE REBELLION DEMANDS YOU EAT LAGUMES!
Capitalism demands you eat legumes or go into debt.
The rebellion demands you stay alive how you need to and organize, which in the US means eating cheap proteins as you gotta.
If I could get us all to protest grocery store prices by eating nothing but staples whenever there is a random price increase I would die happy XD
I can buy oats and flour on the cheap around here, but chickpeas and dried beans? That’s very quickly sounding like $10 a day.
Bruh how? You can get kilograms of dried beans for $10.
It’s more expensive for canned beans but for $10 are you eating 5 cans of organic beans a day?
Maybe chickpeas are expensive where you live, or maybe you miscalculated. Either way, take a look at my numbers for comparison.
We can get a 3.63kg bag of chickpeas here for $7.49 (CAD). Assuming you fulfill all your Calorie and protein needs from chickpeas alone (2500 Calories and 150g protein per day), it comes out to about $600/year. That’s $1.64/day. In order to be $10/day, you’d have to pay 6x as much for your chickpeas, so that same 3.63kg bag would have to cost $45.50.
Where are you buying dried beans?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BBVFBGW?tag=sacapuntas9-20&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1
These are 1.28 a pound, if you have a winco or costco you can get much cheaper.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09SHBKHTH?tag=sacapuntas9-20&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1
These are 2 dollars a pound.
So like you would turn this into hummus and eat it with bread/tortillas you made from flour.
There’s no Amazon in Denmark. Basically anything bought from Amazon either comes from Germany or the UK, which makes Amazon probably the worst, most expensive option for any reason.
Ahh interesting! In Denmark what is the cheap protein replacement? In the US it’s mostly all dried beans.
Well let me think…
I know a few local supermarkets sell frozen chickpeas in bags of 500 grams. And I think, off the top of my head, the price ranges between 15 dkk ($2.24) and 40 dkk ($5.97), depending on if there’s a sale on and which supermarket I go to. I know that Rema 1000 is on the cheaper end, and frozen vegetable products tend to go on sale pretty often, but it’s never the same products, so it’s very unpredictable when chickpeas go on sale. These prices include tax, as tax is not excluded from products in stores.
That means that 3 kg of frozen chickpeas would be between $14.44 (uaually when on sale) or $36.02.
Now, I can get dried beans and peas in much larger bulk from the various Arab stores in Copenhagen, but buying bags of dried goods from those stores comes with the risk of getting pantry moths. I’m still battling those little fuckers from the time I bought a large 5 kg bag of really high quality rice two years ago.
Did you know that at lemmy, they have special discounts, where you can get two wisdoms for the price of one upvote?
I do love me a good bargain!
Gotta save up enough money so I can buy instead of rent things like the corporate over lords so desperately want me to do!
Unionization isn’t enough, we need syndicalism. They’re like Unions but armed, more organized, more willing to strike and sabotage, and unlike Unions which attempt to hold back the Capitalists Syndicates replace capitalism entirely. Remember, why demand the scraps of the capitalists when we can take the means of production and the complete value of our labor.
Pro life tip: Read theory, join your local socialist or anarchist organization, get involved, strike, sabotage, just make sure to organize
“Hey won’t this get us banned… oh right, ML!”
If they bring armed thugs to the strikes, only fair if strikers do as well. Negotiation only happens between parties on equal footing.
Syndicalism is nice, but without a solid analysis of Imperialism it risks taking on a Nationalist character if you’re in the Imperial Core. Additionally, if you’re in a de-industrialized nation like the United States, worker organization is more difficult along union lines, which is partially why Unions have historically struggled in the United States in recent years.
100% agree on reading theory and joining an org, just wanted to add some caveats.
I hate billionaires, but I like steak… I guess they aren’t my enemy after all? I guess I’ll rethink my life… Maybe they aren’t so bad, eh?
If you hate billionaires but like steak, have you tried eating the rich?
It’s not about what you like, it’s about what you can afford.
The meme only says “if … then …”. It does not imply the reverse relationship of “if not … then not …”.
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Even if it was just the top half, it’s still good advice.
Given the situation.
I think people are tired of money saving advice because so much of it is corporate victim blaming, “You do get paid enough! You just are too lazy to work enough hours (We only offer 35 btw), have 3 room mates (Which would be illegal because of zoning laws), and cook your own meals (while also working 60 hours a week)!”
I get it, but meanwhile people got to eat.
Oh yeah totally understand, which is why I actually love sharing real versions of this content and sharing videos of people that actually do a good job, or dropping comments on if I successfully make something cheap and if it turned out good. Some people love to share “cheap meal plans” that are like 900 calories a day and annoy the crap out of me. Because clearly they didn’t try living off of it for any length of time, so I try to add a little voice of reason where I can.
But I understand why a lot of people are just DONE with seeing money saving advice, since so much of it is appeasement not empowerment, if that makes sense.
“Oh you want a raise? How about instead, learn to cook cheaper.”
But me and a lot of the good hearted cheap cooks are more of a “Oh you want a raise? Yeah you probably need one, if food costs are killing you here’s some tasty recipes we found that might help save some money in short term while you work on long term problems.”
I think the malicious mallard is red
Alright colorblind people, It’s your time to shine.
If the goal of giving budgeting advice is to make people stop demanding better treatment from their employers, it is incredibly malicious.
Unions recommending/setting up carpooling and potlucks while on strike so the money they pay lasts = good
Employers telling you that minimum wage is enough if you just have four room mates and eat nothing but rice and beans = Malicious
We in Slovenia have lunch in school for 3€, it used to be 2 a couple of years ago.
Is that diet OK for growing kids or just adults?
More variety in your diet is likely to always be superior to less. That goes for both kids and adults. The trouble with younger kids is that deficiencies can impact their development and have more severe long term consequences, and they’re also less capable of seeking out foods to fill that gap.
My mom basically starved so we could eat. I remember her giving me her food regularly. I Still only ate once a day even with her sacrifices. I expect I will be doing the same at this rate so I wanna do more for them if I cam.
If the option is you all not eating enough, and eating primarily cheap bulk foods, do pick the cheap bulk foods. With cheap seasonings and making your own tortillas, breads, and gravies, you can have a large variety using the same 20ish cheap base ingredients.
We are tortillas and rice all the time. Some days evey meal. Sure she upgraded it with veggies or added eggs but it’s like I was born of rice, molded by it, I didn’t know what a salad was until I was a man.
Haha makes sense! I forgot I posted it, but as an experiment I actually did this just to see how hard it is.
https://lemmy.world/post/17890870
But I mean the main things you need are calories, vitamins, and complete proteins. Flour is the cheapest calorie you can get in the US, so cooking your own biscuits, tortillas, sour dough, and gravy will always be the most calories for your buck.
Soy is a complete protein by itself, but rice and beans together are as well. Rice and beans is also a king of calories per price, so there is a reason I put it on there, and a reason you are alive it sounds like it!
The last thing is vitamins from veggies/fruit. In my post I used small amounts of dried fruit in oatmeal, peas in gravy, then tomato sauce. So getting a mix cheap frozen/canned/dried fruit then having a bit of that each day will help. As will making gravies/sauces with different veggies/stir fries.
I was able to do it under $2, and I might try it again with all different meals to try and make sure I can practice what I preach. I make one off cheap meals a lot, but don’t always do a full day.
Not even all adults. That diet makes me fart constantly and feel suboptimal.
I have no idea. There is a decent variety of foods that are 1000 calories for a dollar, and maybe combining all of them together is enough variety. But I’m not a doctor.
What’s the difference between a chick pea and a garbanzo bean?
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I’ve never paid to have a garbanzo bean on my face
