• vga@sopuli.xyz
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    3 months ago

    FTFY: Nutomic’s stance on “rooting out” people who don’t exercise liturgy exactly as you want them to. And people scoff at the idea of this being a fundamentalist religion, even though it uses the exact same social patterns.

    Do I get to be in this shinigami shit now? Is there a way to mute all people who use that thing, or can I just wait for them to mute me? Either way seems like a win-win to me.

  • Beaver@lemmy.caOPEnglish
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    3 months ago

    How are you going to get your first developer funded in donations when you say stuff like that?

    • VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works
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      3 months ago

      People who don’t like free speech on here are sorely confused as to the purpose of activitypub and lemmy, they were explicitly designed to be censorship resistant so that people could express controversial opinions without being silenced - they already understand that people who dislike free speech won’t support them, thankfully this project doesn’t need much support and there are some free speech supporters that do donate even if they don’t agree with every single opinion of every dev involved.

        • BlackRose@slrpnk.net
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          3 months ago

          I just found out that beehaw is not on their list of 579 Servers. Does anyone know why? Today the list is not called recomended instances anymore.

      • The Cuuuuube@beehaw.orgEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Weird fucking thing for a leftist to do, isn’t it? Dessalines and Nutomic both claimed it was because they were free speech absolutists. Meanwhile saying China is performing a genocide against the Uigher people is a gaurunteed instaban with the explanation “orientalism”

        • millie@beehaw.orgEnglish
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          3 months ago

          That’s because they’re not leftists. Most of the tankies on Lemmy probably aren’t. I’m sure some of them are people who get swept up in the tide of favoring mockery over patience and compassion while actually believing leftist political positions, but it’s pretty clear what the bulk of them are doing.

          They’re corporate or authoritarian government plants trying to break the coalition of left and center. They’re doing everything they can to make both look unreasonable and unhinged in the eyes of the other. Demotivating leftists from endorsing centrists who lean their way, while making centrists feel targeted and deeided by the left.

          It’s way easier to break coalitions and sew chaos than it is to drive engagement and unity. It literally takes less thinking, less precision, and less strategy.

        • poVoq@slrpnk.net
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          3 months ago

          The actual claim was to keep these people on that instance to make defederation easier. Which doesn’t work, but AFAIK no one ever claimed to be “free speech absolutists”.

    • Juniper (she/her) 🫐@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      3 months ago

      Yep, this just prevented me, a trans woman, from ever donating to the main Lemmy project. I’m severely disappointed. I’ll donate only to good instances with leadership I know aren’t phobic.

      This literally ignores the experiences of trans people, all of whom lost something in order to transition, and many everything. The system is being weaponized against us at every level. What an ignorant thing to say.

      • Beaver@lemmy.caOPEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Right! Think about how two-spirited folks were loved and supported by the First Nations communities for thousands of years before Europeans stepped foot into turtle island.

        • The Cuuuuube@beehaw.orgEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Bruuuh it frustrates me to no end how capitalism creates a culture of emptiness by scooping out of us all sense of community, compassion, and humanity. It takes everything worth living for away from us and holds it hostage from us, telling us we can have it if we spend the money, give it to the capital holders.

      • Cyborganism@lemmy.ca
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        3 months ago

        No I know about that.

        But what the fuck do trans have to do with the bourgeoisie???

        If anything most of the ones I know are anticapitalist.

        • Chamomile 🐑@furry.engineer
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          3 months ago

          @cyborganism @GammaGames There’s a particular category of “leftist” who, to put it gently, have a greatly simplified view of the world in which “the only war is class war.” They regard social issues such as anti-racism, feminism, queer liberation as distractions from the “true” cause of bringing about a new economic system - unimportant at best, active interference invented by the ruling class at worst.

          Basically, they’re narrow-minded bigots.

            • XNX@slrpnk.net
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              3 months ago

              Not sure how that relates? Thats just Europeans being racist which is extremely common and irritating

              • pearable@lemmy.ml
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                3 months ago

                I think all bigotry can be used as a wedge to divide working people from their own interests. I wouldn’t be surprised if Romani bigotry was used to control Europeans in the past. However, I think immigration is the most important wedge in the European context

          • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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            3 months ago

            I’d argue that they aren’t entirely wrong, just coming to the entirely wrong conclusion.

            It absolutely benefits the 1% to have people fighting about stuff that keeps them out if the crosshairs, but the solution isn’t to be an asshole and stamp out any attempts at progress in culture and acceptance. The solution is to accept people and progress cultural stuff faster to unite people better.

            If you’re going to be militant about the class war, don’t you want as many allies as possible? Within reason of course, don’t want bigoted assholes.

            • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
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              3 months ago

              That’s the thing. Dessalines and Nutomic are the bigoted assholes the rest of us should be telling to fuck right off because they’re getting in the way of our class awakening. They think they’re adovocating for true liberation when their way of going about it slows things down. They are tools of capital holders when they pull shit like this

            • Chamomile 🐑@furry.engineer
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              3 months ago

              @wizardbeard Oh yeah, totally - it’s not like the 1% doesn’t use these things to its advantage. Don’t take my comment as making the mistake of ignoring that. It’s just myopic at best to act like other forms of oppression can be ignored as long as we ensure economic liberation. And a lot of the people spouting that opinion… well, there’s a reason they think bigotry isn’t a problem - they suck.

          • The Cuuuuube@beehaw.orgEnglish
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            3 months ago

            Which is so fucking dumb because they’re actively resisting the class awakening that we all need to have. That these divisions and culture wars we have are a distraction from the true communal love we could all experience and push to topple the hierarchical system. These fucking regressive morons are standing in the way of their own revolution

      • JimSamtanko@lemm.ee
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        3 months ago

        Is it a pre-requisite to be a smug douche if you’re going to run a social media platform now?

        Man… I miss Tom.

        • Comment105@lemm.ee
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          3 months ago

          I use Jerboa and have already blocked the @lemmy.ml instance. There were calls to make that a thing with lent itself but I don’t think it ever happened.

          There were also suggestions to do more of the defederstions in a “soft” way, by means of adding the instance to the block list of any user on the instance that wants to defederate it. Reversible by any user that wants full access with their main user.

          From what little I understand about how Lemmy works and what the goals of the Fediverse are, this sounded like a much better way to do things.

          • The Cuuuuube@beehaw.orgEnglish
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            3 months ago

            Lemmy’s options for blocking and restricting are too limited, and it’s also a bummer there’s not an option for providing a reason for a block or restriction in the federated instances view. I think it all ties into Lemmy’s issue with “moderating tools are not an emphasis”

        • The Cuuuuube@beehaw.orgEnglish
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          3 months ago

          I used to be hopeful for Lemmy.world. that time has passed me by. Now they’re in the good riddance pile with sh.itjust.works. I’ve come to respect the beehaw admins the more time passes and the more it becomes obvious that was the move. Those instances don’t take moderation serious, and as a result they’re festering danger zones. You get a lot of good takes from Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works users who don’t realize instance choice says something about you, but the overall tone of those two instances and Lemm.ee is not an overall tone I’m interested in experiencing as my general instances

          • Comment105@lemm.ee
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            3 months ago

            I’m sorry if I misunderstand, but are you saying a good instance heavily engages in tone policing?

            If I’m not misunderstanding, I hope you realize that would imply you only want to ever read a word from like the gentlest 2‰ of humanity.

  • ✺roguetrick✺@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Classical Marxist/Lenninism is specifically not intersectional. They’ll use race as a lever against capitalism but deny race as a social problem they must specifically intervene on. But it’s also stupid to adopt. There’s a reason TERFs are often fascist adjacent.

    • Katrisia@lemm.ee
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      3 months ago

      I think it’s like saying that Marxism isn’t… let’s say, Nietzschean. Those are two ways of looking into problems. In some points, they’ll coincide; in others, they won’t. I’m bad at analogies. Anyway, if you’re a Nietzschean (in this case, if you believe intersectionality is the proper way of looking at social phenomena), of course Marxism (probably in all its different branches) will look incomplete and like they’re building from the wrong premises to you. But if you were Marxist, you’d think the same of Nietzschean philosophy (or intersectionality).

      I’m sure both have excellent reasons to believe in a framework or another, but we should not forget they are just that, not truth™. I say this not to fall into an absolute relativism but to prevent any side from falling into a conviction of moral superiority. We cannot be so sure about it.

    • SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml
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      3 months ago

      There are plenty of early leninists who were deeply intersectional. Alexandra Kollontai jumps to mind immediately.

      But yeah, there’s definitely a vulgar strain here that nutomic is clinging to.

  • vga@sopuli.xyz
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    3 months ago

    And here I thought both transactivism and transphobia were clearly promoted by Russia to create discord in the west. It would kind of track with what Yuri Bezmenov was saying back in 1984: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yErKTVdETpw

    But if you disagree with the person who created the software you’re using, why on earth does that bother you? It doesn’t become unholy because of their touch. You can think of it like the old saying goes: “They Capitalists will sell us the rope that we will use to hang them”.

  • Etterra@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Because why would the bourgeoisie want the masses fighting each other? Though he’s wrong anyway because the elite didn’t promote anything that doesn’t benefit them financially. While that includes turning the poor against each other, it also includes selling anything in any form to anyone regardless of want moral, ethical, or practical factors. If they can get you to pay them money for something with a rainbow on it, congrats, they’re pro-lgbtq. Because they’ve got another subsidiary that will sell the hate-fueled psychopaths that want to kill you their Bibles and.

  • Anon518@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Based on the additional screenshots in a comment, it looks like this whole thing was bait to create drama.

        • Eldritch@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Shinigami are a general Japanese concept. The soul reaper’s from bleach were also referred to as shinigami. Basically kami/spirit of death. I did watch death note aeons ago. And the character attached to the death note was also a shinigami. Though I don’t remember anything special in reference to it’s eyes? Meh I probably just missed it or forgot. Its been almost 20 years XD

          • Beaver@lemmy.caOPEnglish
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            3 months ago

            The eyes tell you how many days someone has left in Death Note.

            So if someone shows up as red they’re more likely to be an antivaxxer as they’re more likely to be ignoring science, their days are going to be fewer as a result of their ignorance.