The autism thing is as thin of an excuse as Colbert being canceled because of ratings, but I understand that because I’m familiar with it.

Did the owner of Tylenol say they thought medicine should be available for poor people or something? Why is Orange Hitler so antiTy all of a sudden?

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    With trump and oligarchs, always look to the $$$.

    Oligarchs like to do a lot of stock price manipulation so they can make bank on both the ups and the downs. Step 1. Buy stock in the competitor and short the target. Step 2. Release info/misinfo to tank the target’s share price. Step 3. Take the profit on the short and also sell the competitor stock while it’s high. Step 4. (optional depending on what you plan to manipulate next) either buy the target’s stock while it’s low if you expect it to recover quickly or leave it alone if you don’t.

    And of course with trump there’s also the possibility of other factors like a) there was some “nice stock price you have there–shame if anything would happen to it” going on behind the scenes to get some “donations to the trump library” and then he would go ahead and do the thing either way, and b) Little Bobby Brainworm’s fever dreams.

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    Who shorted the stock price of Tylenol before this announcement? Unless I don’t understand what shorting is in the stock market. Which is likely regardless.

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      Shorting is dangerious as the market can do stupid things short term. There is a reason others are talking ‘puts’ they limit the risk if the market sees through this - which it might.

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    Bad mouth multi-billion dollar a year company, wait for valuation to decline, buy stock for cheap, wait for outrage to pass, profit.

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    I would be surprised if it wasn’t more insider trading. Watch the tylenol manufacturers/distributors stock sky rocket as soon as he decides it’s good actually, he’s always said that actually

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    If someone could verify for me, others were saying that a direct competitor to Tylenol’s parent company is in bed with the Trump Administration, ‘iHerb’ or something. Which makes significantly more sense to me than any thing else.

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    I’m no expert, but from what I’ve found, there was a study that saw higher traces of acetaminophen in autistic children and their mothers.

    Now, to be clear, the authors of that study NEVER CLAIMED THAT TYLENOL CAUSED AUTISM. They discovered and reported the correlation, and their conclusion was that it should be looked into further. Again, not to determine a casual relationship, but to investigate things like: what kind of pain those mothers were experiencing to require taking Tylenol, and if that could be used as an early warning sign for autism. Additional studies have been done since then that show no signs of Tylenol causing autism.

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      Correct me if I’m wrong but I think I read that it was neurological issues in general (not just autism specifically) that weakly correlated with tylenol usage.

      But yes, the next question is what were they taking tylenol for? Fevers? Infections? Some type of illness? Some factor that itself might be what contributed to the neurological problems rather than the medicine they took to relieve their symptoms?

      To over-simplify, it’s like saying tylenol causes headaches with no further study, because they found a correlation between taking tylenol and having headaches. Distinguish correlation and causation. Sometimes a correlation points to a cause, oftentimes it doesn’t.

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        Correct me if I’m wrong but I think I read that it was neurological issues in general (not just autism specifically) that weakly correlated with tylenol usage.

        Very well could be. I didn’t dig too deep, and I rarely understand most of what I see in those studies, but even I could tell that they weren’t claiming what Trump and Bobby were trying to claim.

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      higher traces of acetaminophen in autistic children and their mothers.

      Many correlations are a chicken & egg situation. We don’t know if what we’re measuring is the cause or the result of whatever we’re studying.

      Maybe people with a genetic disposition towards autism process acetaminophen differently.

      Maybe people who grew up with access to acetaminophen also grew up in the vicinity of some other environmental factor that also shares a positive correlation with acetaminophen.

      There are plenty of potential explanations that aren’t a causal link between acetaminophen consumption and autism.

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    Baron is supposedly neurodivergent and Trump needs an excuse for this because “Trump was too old to have a neurotypical child” isn’t going to appeal to him.

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    There’s just a tenuous connection that is debated in the research which is enough for them to latch on to. Tylenol didn’t do anything other than be the subject of a bunch of studies that showed a correlation with autism when used by pregnant moms. but to be clear also a bunch of studies that showed the opposite - no correlation, thus the debate, and why no one else is jumping on this recommendation. The evidence simply isn’t there. At best more exploration is needed

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    It’s not complicated. Trump couldn’t pronounce acetaminophen so he switched to a word he could actually say.

    He does it all the time.

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    Part of it is RFK Jr. and MAHA who are on a mission to “cure” autism because the whole anti-vax thing doesn’t fly (due to common knowledge and, you know, science).

    So it looks like they are blaming the most common medication used by pregnant people.

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      Not only that, it’s the only pain medicine pregnant women can have, everything else is already deemed dangerous. This is just another step in their quest to control women’s bodies entirely.

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        their quest to control women’s bodies entirely.

        I think they’re just trying to kill more women. Similarly to how they’re doing everything they can to encourage trans people and non whites to die more frequently. We’re in the pre-holocaust phase.

        Targeting tylenol further endangers women during pregnancy - one of the riskiest times for a woman’s health. The way they rolled out their abortion ban with so much ambiguity also maximizes the chance of women dying.

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        But I thought their goal was to have as many healthy babies be born as possible? Maybe I just have too much faith in people, thinking the anti-choice crowd had some semblance of good faith reasons for their position

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          ? Maybe I just have too much faith in people

          Probably too much faith in the wrong people. Firstly, they just want white babies, that’s it. Secondly, they just want Christian babies, that’s it. Thirdly, once the child is born, they don’t want to hear any more about it until they’re old enough to have sex or go into the army.

          I’m not supposing anything either, that is exactly how their policies are written and promoted. Healthy babies require healthy mothers and there hasn’t been so many matricides because of governmental incompetence since any of us were born.

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    I have to wonder if they’ve become aware of the legitimate research that implies that paracetamol (= acetaminophen) may actually be no better than a placebo for pain relief.

    Unlike a placebo, it does have real side-effects that are genuinely harmful, like potential liver damage and so on.

    And then there’s that other research that found increased levels of paracetamol in both autistic children and their birth-giver, whatever the heck that means.

    Naïvely extrapolate from these data points and you can reach the same conclusion they have.

    The truly terrifying things here are 1) their complete misunderstanding of the statistics behind increasing diagnoses of, and also the history of autism and 2) that autism is being considered a bad thing.